Irish Taxi Forum
Public Area => Taxi Talk => Topic started by: Belker on May 22, 2020, 01:22:19 am
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One of the first challenges we face is preparing for a return to work while complying with Safety in the Workplace guidelines.
I would appreciate a definitive plan and guidelines from the NTA and the Department of Transport on how best we can provide a service without breaching existing PSV Regulations e.g. “Refusing a fare” if 4 people walk up to a rank the driver cannot refuse them. Similarly if someone uses an app or phone booking and the taxi arrives to see 4 people. He currently can’t say, “I’m only carrying 2 and they must sit in the back.
We have a “Duty of Care” to our customers, drivers and staff and we need to communicate this clearly to all concerned.
Some drivers are fitting screens as a way to protect from sneeze and cough spray.
Many years back when we experienced a spurge of attacks on drivers screen were also fitted. As a result of injuries caused by the passenger making contact with the screen insurance companies reassessed liability based on interfering with the integrity of the interior design of the car and screens slowly disappeared.
I think there are some very well moulded screen designs that are not fixed by screws and hole drilling so maybe they might suit but I would prefer if they were approved by insurance underwriters.
I think it would be helpful if we could agree a number of positive actions that would encourage public usage of taxis and show that Drivers and Companies are proactive and not reactive.
Our industry will face a slow gradual resumption to work with a significant drop in revenue. We need to consider how companies could survive without government wage subsidy and also how drivers can survive without Covid19 payments.
We want a safe gradual planned return with all the best safety practises. We are sourcing high quality screens and car sanitisation products to play our part in a successful recovery but we need the NTA and the Department of Transport to guide and assist us in this challenge.
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it's all a loada bollocks.
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One of the first challenges we face is preparing for a return to work while complying with Safety in the Workplace guidelines.
I would appreciate a definitive plan and guidelines from the NTA and the Department of Transport on how best we can provide a service without breaching existing PSV Regulations e.g. “Refusing a fare” if 4 people walk up to a rank the driver cannot refuse them. Similarly if someone uses an app or phone booking and the taxi arrives to see 4 people. He currently can’t say, “I’m only carrying 2 and they must sit in the back.
We have a “Duty of Care” to our customers, drivers and staff and we need to communicate this clearly to all concerned.
Some drivers are fitting screens as a way to protect from sneeze and cough spray.
Many years back when we experienced a spurge of attacks on drivers screen were also fitted. As a result of injuries caused by the passenger making contact with the screen insurance companies reassessed liability based on interfering with the integrity of the interior design of the car and screens slowly disappeared.
I think there are some very well moulded screen designs that are not fixed by screws and hole drilling so maybe they might suit but I would prefer if they were approved by insurance underwriters.
I think it would be helpful if we could agree a number of positive actions that would encourage public usage of taxis and show that Drivers and Companies are proactive and not reactive.
Our industry will face a slow gradual resumption to work with a significant drop in revenue. We need to consider how companies could survive without government wage subsidy and also how drivers can survive without Covid19 payments.
We want a safe gradual planned return with all the best safety practises. We are sourcing high quality screens and car sanitisation products to play our part in a successful recovery but we need the NTA and the Department of Transport to guide and assist us in this challenge.
Is this more freenow bullshite ?
Who wrote that ken?
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Nicely worded Ken, are you sending it to the proper authorities ?
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Im wondering who wrote it.since there is a lot of emphasises on the survival of presumably (dispatch) companies,it would not surprise me if Kens pal (I better not mention his name ken sais he sue me ) had a hand in it
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As Frankie says there is a reason some of ye drive taxies .Dont send fuck all to nobody ,leave well enough alone .On screens they already asked if we wanted them ,we said no they accepted that .Now I will tell you why they accepted that .When they done the engineering report to fit screens into Saloon Cars they discovered that 100% of the saloon fleet was unsuitable for screens if they were to restrict size or for fitting as they could not advise any fixing that would not require interfering with the integrity of the structure of the vehicle .The only way to fit a screen was to make all vehicles WATs and place the bulkhead screen which would require an intercom .But feel free to keep beating this drum Im sure the taxithingey will give in to your demand.
I asked them about screens as I ALREADY KNEW THE ANSWER to the question .They told you basically the result of their engineers report 1.Use non shatter material Polycarbone not Glass or Perspects .2.Do not restrict the personal space below the standard .3.Do not obstruct the safety devices this includes the headrests .
Now I posted a pic of a screen I designed in line with these guidelines .It is compression fitted and held in place with elasticated fittings that will release in the event of any impact .It is also edged with foam to prevent injury to both passengers and myself .
I also contacted my insurance who informed me they would not object to a driver protecting themselves .Most van drivers panel the inside of their vans and insurance companies do not penalize them .
Now I believe I have met both the requirements laid down by the NTA for screens and in line with information I recieved from my insurers .
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The above in simple engerlish .We cannot advise you on screens we can tell you what not to do .We looked at mandatory screens but none were available that would fit saloon cars as we have different types of cars and we could not be responsible for any damage done to vehicles by demanding that screens be affixed with rivets or screws .
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JM , agree and understand BUT if you use/work for FN/Lynk and don't have a screen your fcuked, your in the Q behind ambassadors and the Screeners.
Very little street work which means your also fcuked.
I don't like been fcuked.
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That is a different Issue Crow .The original post was asking the taxithingey for direction AGAIN even though they couldnt be clearer .Dispatchers are getting Drivers to pay to fit screens so they can advertise that they have screens fitted .Personally I dont think it will matter much either way .If its safe to use a taxi people wont give a fuck about screens if its not safe they wont use taxies .
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Just asked me 25 year old young one if she was ordering a FN taxi would she request one of the screeners and she said :
"Obviously Yeah"
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Just asked me 25 year old young one if she was ordering a FN taxi would she request one of the screeners and she said :
"Obviously Yeah"
So if you think it will bring in customers make one it will cost about a score or join me taxi get the screen then unjoin .Put it down as a business expense just like juice ,servicing or phone .Its really that simple .
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Just asked me 25 year old young one if she was ordering a FN taxi would she request one of the screeners and she said :
"Obviously Yeah"
Your 25yr old would probably...in most cases...be younger than the driver,i think drivers who are generally in their 40's are more likely to catch the dizeezze from their younger passengers.....i'd say drivers are installing screens(that more than likely won't prevent them catching the virus) for their own safety....only Ken cares about his passengers!!
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It's simple if you are in a fast crash in a saloon car with one of the wrong screens the rear passengers could be worse off.If the screen breaks it could be like having a huge blade in the car.
Stay at home, the virus is on the retreat.Dont be adding extra expense for everyone just because you're unable to live on the 350.
Why do ya need guidance from the NTA when the HSE is giving us guidance.The HSE trumps the NTA everytime.Stay at home and take the government money.It's really very easy.
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True merc ...but I taut this was a good job for future reference and not a fortune...
https://www.facebook.com/groups/270441333371213/permalink/972276849854321/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/270441333371213/permalink/972276849854321/)
I wudnt put that free now blue peter abortion on me bike never mind me livlyhood
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I'll have a look at that later Octy they don't let you in to that Facebook group unless yer logged into Facebook.I never really use it and can't remember my password.
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https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=129820595342584&id=105086691149308
This work?
210 euro
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Ah bollix ...hold on I'll try again https://www.facebook.com/105086691149308/posts/129820595342584/ (https://www.facebook.com/105086691149308/posts/129820595342584/)
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Funkidy fukin phone
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http://bezpieczna-taksowka.pl/en (http://bezpieczna-taksowka.pl/en)
Someone said they available at Oscar's somewhere yolks vally
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Looks ok.Even has a glory hole for Ken...It still might not pass the suitability inspection but I'm sure it won't be too difficult to remove before the test.If of course you want one.
I'm not too convinced of their effectiveness except to keep the drivers from interfering with the passengers.
Maybe the younger women might prefer a barrier between themselves and the immigrant perverts.They may still have alternative uses.
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If asked to self declare what you're normal weekly profit is, would you say it's more than €350?
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I think mine is less but I'll need to check.Is that the method they're gonna use?
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I think mine is less but I'll need to check.Is that the method they're gonna use?
They're going to do something to stop the 38% that are getting more than they were actually earning, self declaration seems the obvious choice and then they can come after the "over declarers" later, either with an audit or a bill
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I can adjust the numbers.If they call me in I'll explain I was gonna be saving about 11/12k this year for a replacement vehicle before they shut the country down.So in a way Covid has forced me into a bit of bother.
I'd probably take 200/250 a week rather than work for twice that before expenses.
If they means test me I'll get close to zero, even though my own finances are entirely separate the other half earns too much.
All we can do is wait and see.
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[url]http://bezpieczna-taksowka.pl/en[/url] ([url]http://bezpieczna-taksowka.pl/en[/url])
Someone said they available at Oscar's somewhere yolks vally
I'll put my hands up....i got one..and yes..from Krzysztof in Oscars......€220.....i've ordered a rubber bead to go around the bottom of it.....and Roy sent me the template of the "sit in the back ye dizzeezed fuk" stickers for my front passenger side window.
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[url]http://bezpieczna-taksowka.pl/en[/url] ([url]http://bezpieczna-taksowka.pl/en[/url])
Someone said they available at Oscar's somewhere yolks vally
I'll put my hands up....i got one..and yes..from Krzysztof in Oscars......€220.....i've ordered a rubber bead to go around the bottom of it.....and Roy sent me the template of the "sit in the back ye dizzeezed fuk" stickers for my front passenger side window.
Where's Oscars?
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[url]http://bezpieczna-taksowka.pl/en[/url] ([url]http://bezpieczna-taksowka.pl/en[/url])
Someone said they available at Oscar's somewhere yolks vally
I'll put my hands up....i got one..and yes..from Krzysztof in Oscars......€220.....i've ordered a rubber bead to go around the bottom of it.....and Roy sent me the template of the "sit in the back ye dizzeezed fuk" stickers for my front passenger side window.
Where's Oscars?
Tolka Valley Ind Est,Finglas.
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I was looking today and got in the back and theres no room already cause I'm a big Celtic warrior type and me seat is way back and yu have to put the front passanger seat in line wit the drivers seat so I think I'm fuked if it compulsory
.....the problem is not wedder i want it or not but wedder the punters will get in if yuv no screen obviously...so I'm not lookin forward wit much ease
For yous umpa lumps types yu be ok
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I might be only 5'8".....but hung like a stallion!!
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I might be only 5'8".....but hung like a stallion!!
but hung like a stallion!! but hung like a scallion!!
fixed yer post Hal! 8)
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I might be only 5'8".....but hung like a stallion!!
but hung like a stallion!! but hung like a scallion!!
fixed yer post Hal! 8)
rofl
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I was looking today and got in the back and theres no room already cause I'm a big Celtic warrior type and me seat is way back and yu have to put the front passanger seat in line wit the drivers seat so I think I'm fuked if it compulsory
.....the problem is not wedder i want it or not but wedder the punters will get in if yuv no screen obviously...so I'm not lookin forward wit much ease
For yous umpa lumps types yu be ok
I aint a big guy , so what happens when a massive cnut gets into the front passenger seat and wants to push the seat back ?
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I was looking today and got in the back and theres no room already cause I'm a big Celtic warrior type and me seat is way back and yu have to put the front passanger seat in line wit the drivers seat so I think I'm fuked if it compulsory
.....the problem is not wedder i want it or not but wedder the punters will get in if yuv no screen obviously...so I'm not lookin forward wit much ease
For yous umpa lumps types yu be ok
I aint a big guy , so what happens when a massive cnut gets into the front passenger seat and wants to push the seat back ?
Sticker on the passenger window telling them to get in the back, what use is a screen if they sit in beside you?
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I was looking today and got in the back and theres no room already cause I'm a big Celtic warrior type and me seat is way back and yu have to put the front passanger seat in line wit the drivers seat so I think I'm fuked if it compulsory
.....the problem is not wedder i want it or not but wedder the punters will get in if yuv no screen obviously...so I'm not lookin forward wit much ease
For yous umpa lumps types yu be ok
I aint a big guy , so what happens when a massive cnut gets into the front passenger seat and wants to push the seat back ?
What are the odds that we'll still get fuckwits asking "Will ya take five?".
Sticker on the passenger window telling them to get in the back, what use is a screen if they sit in beside you?
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I was looking today and got in the back and theres no room already cause I'm a big Celtic warrior type and me seat is way back and yu have to put the front passanger seat in line wit the drivers seat so I think I'm fuked if it compulsory
.....the problem is not wedder i want it or not but wedder the punters will get in if yuv no screen obviously...so I'm not lookin forward wit much ease
For yous umpa lumps types yu be ok
I aint a big guy , so what happens when a massive cnut gets into the front passenger seat and wants to push the seat back ?
Sticker on the passenger window telling them to get in the back, what use is a screen if they sit in beside you?
Yeah OK but his wife and 2 kids are in the back
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I was looking today and got in the back and theres no room already cause I'm a big Celtic warrior type and me seat is way back and yu have to put the front passanger seat in line wit the drivers seat so I think I'm fuked if it compulsory
.....the problem is not wedder i want it or not but wedder the punters will get in if yuv no screen obviously...so I'm not lookin forward wit much ease
For yous umpa lumps types yu be ok
I aint a big guy , so what happens when a massive cnut gets into the front passenger seat and wants to push the seat back ?
What are the odds that we'll still get fuckwits asking "Will ya take five?".
Sticker on the passenger window telling them to get in the back, what use is a screen if they sit in beside you?
Very high, not as big a problem doing days though
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I think we'll be phoning punters from the app, more than three punters = cancellation.
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I was looking today and got in the back and theres no room already cause I'm a big Celtic warrior type and me seat is way back and yu have to put the front passanger seat in line wit the drivers seat so I think I'm fuked if it compulsory
.....the problem is not wedder i want it or not but wedder the punters will get in if yuv no screen obviously...so I'm not lookin forward wit much ease
For yous umpa lumps types yu be ok
I aint a big guy , so what happens when a massive cnut gets into the front passenger seat and wants to push the seat back ?
Sticker on the passenger window telling them to get in the back, what use is a screen if they sit in beside you?
Yeah OK but his wife and 2 kids are in the back
If you have a screen your a 3 passenger vehicle
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I was looking today and got in the back and theres no room already cause I'm a big Celtic warrior type and me seat is way back and yu have to put the front passanger seat in line wit the drivers seat so I think I'm fuked if it compulsory
.....the problem is not wedder i want it or not but wedder the punters will get in if yuv no screen obviously...so I'm not lookin forward wit much ease
For yous umpa lumps types yu be ok
I aint a big guy , so what happens when a massive cnut gets into the front passenger seat and wants to push the seat back ?
Sticker on the passenger window telling them to get in the back, what use is a screen if they sit in beside you?
Yeah OK but his wife and 2 kids are in the back
If you have a screen your a 3 passenger vehicle
Where does it state that ?
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If your putting up a screen your protecting yourself and the passengers.
If your going to leave them in the front what’s the point of getting a screen.
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Id say most drivers dont want a screen ,or the problems,or expense that goes with it.but because of both F/N and Ebbs pointing out to customers that they can order a car with a screen rather then one with no screen,obviously the no screen drivers are under pressure now.another example of fukin dispatchers costing you money,and intervening in your business ,and STILL DOUBT THATyou wont tell them to take a hike
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Id say most drivers dont want a screen ,or the problems,or expense that goes with it.but because of both F/N and Ebbs pointing out to customers that they can order a car with a screen rather then one with no screen,obviously the no screen drivers are under pressure now.another example of fukin dispatchers costing you money,and intervening in your business ,and STILL DOUBT THATyou wont tell them to take a hike
Agree DM but I suppose its like it they start offering Taxis with say Ice Creams machines, we well end up having to get one of them as well in order to put bread on the table.
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If they keep bringing this kind of expense on drivers,then.some drivers wont be able to sustain it,and leave an already to expensive industry,so as well as the drivers loosing,the dispatchers will loose out as well because there will be less drivers to exploit
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If they keep bringing this kind of expense on drivers,then.some drivers wont be able to sustain it,and leave an already to expensive industry,so as well as the drivers loosing,the dispatchers will loose out as well because there will be less drivers to exploit
Yes but then they bring in there own cronies from abroad, pay them pittance and have them using there own rented vehicles
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As far as I can see there is only one answer to it,and that is a state run,transparent dispatch operation.one that every taxi driver must sign up to.even I could go with that,as long as it was transparent,and no work going out the back door to certain cronies,unlike now..I actually think it would be a good idea.I would hope that the likes of the 3 marketeers would have no influence in.such a set up,or it would be tainted from the word go I would love to see drivers supporting such a set up if the NTA,or whoever would be responsible agreeing to it
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Never happen, it's too late for the state to come in and abuse it's dominant position against private enterprise. Happened years ago alright, when the ESB used the billing system to provide finance for the purchase of electrical goods, while independent retailers had to get the customers to apply to the banks for finance.
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As far as I can see there is only one answer to it,and that is a state run,transparent dispatch operation.one that every taxi driver must sign up to.even I could go with that,as long as it was transparent,and no work going out the back door to certain cronies,unlike now..I actually think it would be a good idea.I would hope that the likes of the 3 marketeers would have no influence in.such a set up,or it would be tainted from the word go I would love to see drivers supporting such a set up if the NTA,or whoever would be responsible agreeing to it
+1+1+1 and no discrimination , all drivers are equal.
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And ABSOLUTELY no discounts,or doing away with the call out charge.if people on here were to row in behind the idea,I would say its worth pursuing.look at it this way.there are a lot of independents who for one reason or another will not join a dispatcher.a lot might change their minds if they felt a level playing field could be achieved,and everything was above board.whats in it for them is,they would also have achieved a long term ambition of having us aligned,the government wpuld also be happy cause they would know what tax is being honestly declared,and in the event of time maybe they would even consider closer union with them to the extent they could do our tax returns for us
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Dollymount .The state CANNOT operate a dispatch app as that would actually be state aid and would be a Monopoly position if it was mandatory .END OF CONVERSATION dont waste anymore internet thanks .
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Dollymount .The state CANNOT operate a dispatch app as that would actually be state aid and would be a Monopoly position if it was mandatory .END OF CONVERSATION dont waste anymore internet thanks .
The Government gave state aid to banks.
The Government gave state aid to Aer Lingus .
The Government gave state aid to taxi drivers in the form of BTWEA scheme.
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Dollymount .The state CANNOT operate a dispatch app as that would actually be state aid and would be a Monopoly position if it was mandatory .END OF CONVERSATION dont waste anymore internet thanks .
The Government gave state aid to banks.
The Government gave state aid to Aer Lingus .
The Government gave state aid to taxi drivers in the form of BTWEA scheme.
The State took equity in the Banks .
It took equity in the Lingus
BTWEA was available to all was defined as a welfare payment .to get long term unworkables back into work .
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Bone head Borris and Brexit are comming for us .If I can Ill chase a job state or semi state full time or part time or something with a courier company then drive taxi as a Double Jobber .
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Bone head Borris and Brexit are comming for us .If I can Ill chase a job state or semi state full time or part time or something with a courier company then drive taxi as a Double Jobber .
You've been on about getting a part-time job for about 10 years now !
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Dollymount .The state CANNOT operate a dispatch app as that would actually be state aid and would be a Monopoly position if it was mandatory .END OF CONVERSATION dont waste anymore internet thanks .
The Government gave state aid to banks.
The Government gave state aid to Aer Lingus .
The Government gave state aid to taxi drivers in the form of BTWEA scheme.
The State took equity in the Banks .
It took equity in the Lingus
BTWEA was available to all was defined as a welfare payment .to get long term unworkables back into work .
E.U.sanctioned the €150 Million in state aid to Aer Lingus .
It did it on the terms Aer Lingus changed it's fleet to Airbus.
BTWEA was tantamount to state aid and was not available to everyone.
Mary Hanafin couldn't say how many she assisted into the game to the surprise of Richard Bruton.
The Banks should have gone to the wall A la the free market.
The Government bailed them out with taxpayers money.
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Bone head Borris and Brexit are comming for us .If I can Ill chase a job state or semi state full time or part time or something with a courier company then drive taxi as a Double Jobber .
You've been on about getting a part-time job for about 10 years now !
I had a little titter there....i won't lie!!
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Look.the fact is the erm might well be right.maybe it CANNOT be done,but unless I ask the question of the relevant people we will not know.unlessi need to be able to go to the relevant people point out to them that there is a lot of support for the notion (and as yet I dont know wether there is or not) I need to be able to convince them of the benefits of the whole fleet being aligned ,I need to be able to say to them you will see in a transparent way the earnings of every taxi driver,basically they need to see benefits in agreeing to it.my problem is ,I dont know who the relevant people are.the NTA,or my local TD .nor do I know if this idea would be supported by you.I would not ask the question if I get a negative response just like I didnt ask the question about why taxi drivers are allowed to work,while driving testers are not.
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Look.the fact is the erm might well be right.maybe it CANNOT be done,but unless I ask the question of the relevant people we will not know.unlessi need to be able to go to the relevant people point out to them that there is a lot of support for the notion (and as yet I dont know wether there is or not) I need to be able to convince them of the benefits of the whole fleet being aligned ,I need to be able to say to them you will see in a transparent way the earnings of every taxi driver,basically they need to see benefits in agreeing to it.my problem is ,I dont know who the relevant people are.the NTA,or my local TD .nor do I know if this idea would be supported by you.I would not ask the question if I get a negative response just like I didnt ask the question about why taxi drivers are allowed to work,while driving testers are not.
Perhaps the relevant people have already got into bed with FN !
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And ABSOLUTELY no discounts,or doing away with the call out charge.if people on here were to row in behind the idea,I would say its worth pursuing.look at it this way.there are a lot of independents who for one reason or another will not join a dispatcher.a lot might change their minds if they felt a level playing field could be achieved,and everything was above board.whats in it for them is,they would also have achieved a long term ambition of having us aligned,the government wpuld also be happy cause they would know what tax is being honestly declared,and in the event of time maybe they would even consider closer union with them to the extent they could do our tax returns for us
It's all a load of Bollix, LEVEL PLAYING FIELD, this same poster was offering to get his mates in to his brothers golf course just the other day because they were mates and now he expects everything above board.
rofl
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Lads should keep their mouths shut and not be making a rod for their own back Eg.Dear Minister me and me mates want to return to work but we cant cos of stuff like Social Distancing anall ,so whats the story bud ?
Minister For Movement Department
Up the Lane
Facing the Sugar Club
Dublin2 .
Dear Driver
Thank you annal for getting in touch with your concern's .Iffin you decide to return to work traceability will be huge annall so it will be essential that in line with the Taxi Act of 2012 ALL Drivers are aligned to a Dispatcher and employ devices to accept card payments .This will allow the HSE to trace any traveler who might be carrying the virus to be contacted traced .The Minister thanks you for the opportunity to sign into law the relevant SI to enact the relevant sections of the taxi act 2012 .
Is Misse Le Cara .
Lord Leopardstown (unemployed)
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Got the face masks for when I eventually return to the fray
Looking lovely!
(https://i.postimg.cc/N2Hqpxht/IMG-9868.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/N2Hqpxht)
Bought 50 .. delivered for €22.35 .. 45 cents each
https://irishreviews.org/disposable-face-masks/
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They're disposable. Assuming you get 10 passengers/day and throw it away after each passenger, they'll be gone in a week.
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They're disposable. Assuming you get 10 passengers/day and throw it away after each passenger, they'll be gone in a week.
Why would you throw it away after each passenger?
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When you're breathing through the disposable mask, you create a wet/damp patch on the mask. The virus grows on the wet patch, you inhale it, and then you get ill... Or you touch the wet patch and rub your eye and then you get ill...
Even with the reusable ones, I think I read you should change them every 2 hours?