Irish Taxi Forum

Public Area => Taxi Talk => Topic started by: watty on July 13, 2020, 05:41:12 pm

Title: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: watty on July 13, 2020, 05:41:12 pm
No mention of masks but SPSV Information Line – Call Volumes (https://www.nationaltransport.ie/taxi-and-bus-licensing/spsv-information-line-call-volumes/) (13 July 2020)

Quote
SPSV Information Line

The SPSV Information line continues to receive an unprecedented number of calls, resulting in long wait times. On Monday 6 July a total of 1,004 calls were placed which is the highest number recorded on one day.

(https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Call_Volumes_-_SPSV_Information_Line_1-300x191.png)

Recent weeks have seen an influx of calls in the mornings when the SPSV Information Line opens. To avoid delays NTA recommends that industry members call in the afternoon where possible when wait times have been considerably shorter. Mondays are the busiest and have the longest wait times.

General Queries

Queries which are of a non-urgent nature can should be emailed to taxis@nationaltransport.ie where possible.

SPSV Licence Suspensions

We also advice that any queries in relation to suspensions, and where a licence holder wishes to return to work after suspension, are emailed to suspension@nationaltransport.ie

Where a suspension period is due to expire, including where the 3-month maximum period for suspension has been reached, NTA will contact the licence holder directly by email or telephone.

At the end of the 3-month suspension period, unless you have indicated that you are returning to operating your SPSV, restored full SPSV insurance cover and made an appointment to have the Tamper-Proof Discs reapplied, the licence will remain inactive. The licence must then be reactivated through the standard licensing process.

NCT Related Queries

The decision by RSA to extend NCT certificates by a 4 month period has resulted in a large volume of calls being received to the SPSV Information Line. This falls outside the remit of NTA – accordingly we cannot assist in this regard.

Information on ‘Voluntary NCT’ tests can be found by clicking here and should be able to address many queries. For all NCT related queries and bookings, contact the SPSV NCT Line on 01 413 5960.
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Shallowhal on July 13, 2020, 06:16:44 pm
So after the three month suspension period is up and if you're not returning to work you must restore your insurance and reactivate your licence or you'll be penalised by having to effectively relicence your vehicle if ye don't.
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Rat Catcher on July 13, 2020, 06:51:07 pm
I'm in my fourth month of suspension.... maybe that's why they didn't ring last month?

However, the email they sent said "Your suspension is due to expire on 30/06/2020. To extend this date please email suspension@nationaltransport.ie quoting case reference CA*****" so I sent an email to extend it for another month on the 25th. As I heard nothing back I assume it's in order.

TBH, I didn't read the next line of their email i.e. "The period of suspension may continue for up to three months in total where appropriate SPSV insurance is not in place"... do you reckon I'll have to renew it in August?
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Shallowhal on July 13, 2020, 07:04:33 pm
Hmm....my suspension is due to expire on the 19/07,as the mail that they sent to me made no mention that after the three month suspension period that you would be required to undergo a suitability.
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Theoneandonly on July 13, 2020, 07:07:08 pm
I'm in my fourth month of suspension.... maybe that's why they didn't ring last month?

However, the email they sent said "Your suspension is due to expire on 30/06/2020. To extend this date please email suspension@nationaltransport.ie quoting case reference CA*****" so I sent an email to extend it for another month on the 25th. As I heard nothing back I assume it's in order.

TBH, I didn't read the next line of their email i.e. "The period of suspension may continue for up to three months in total where appropriate SPSV insurance is not in place"... do you reckon I'll have to renew it in August?

Again that's a very poorly worded sentence, it should read (up to a maximum of 6 months), whereas (up to 3 month in total) would suggest you've already used up the allowance.
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Rat Catcher on July 13, 2020, 07:21:55 pm
Indeed, 6 months would suit me far better. As an old boss of mine used to say... look before you leap!
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: mercenary for hire on July 13, 2020, 07:34:46 pm
You just keep emailing them to continue the suspension.I don't see ant penalty apart from having to do another NCT.What am I missing?

Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Rat Catcher on July 13, 2020, 07:39:54 pm
I didn't read far enough to ascertain that I'd need another NCT. I might have restored it for a few days if I had. Anywaysanall, what's done is done... I guess I'll have to give them a ring to see where I'm at!
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Punter on July 13, 2020, 07:44:37 pm
Be prepared 40 min waiting today to book a SGS test--
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Rat Catcher on July 13, 2020, 07:47:52 pm
Fortunately I have a lot of time on my hands these days!
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Theoneandonly on July 13, 2020, 08:01:29 pm
Same for Motor Tax, left mine into the post box in Queen st June 30th, rang them today , answered after 35 minutes to tell me they are currently processing applications left in on June 24th
State and semi state are reverting to 70s style laziness
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Shallowhal on July 13, 2020, 08:04:29 pm
I didn't read far enough to ascertain that I'd need another NCT. I might have restored it for a few days if I had. Anywaysanall, what's done is done... I guess I'll have to give them a ring to see where I'm at!

A new NCT and possibly a new suitability @€150.....they'll be looking to fuk over as many as they can!!
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Theoneandonly on July 13, 2020, 08:13:21 pm
I didn't read far enough to ascertain that I'd need another NCT. I might have restored it for a few days if I had. Anywaysanall, what's done is done... I guess I'll have to give them a ring to see where I'm at!

A new NCT and possibly a new suitability @€150.....they'll be looking to fuk over as many as they can!!

Maybe Dalymount was right not bothering to remove stickers (worked well for me)
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Rat Catcher on July 13, 2020, 08:35:06 pm
I doubt the stickers make any difference. If the licence is lapsed/inactive rather than suspended it'll need to be restored regardless. I presume I'll get a full year if I have to go through the renewal process so the €150 is no big deal. However, I reckon I should get my timing belt done before getting a NCT, that's probably about 4 ton... add the screen, NCT and LRA and I'm up to €650 to get back on the road. There should be a scheme to help sole traders and small businesses cover costs associated with relaunching our trades/businesses in these trying times.
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Rat Catcher on July 13, 2020, 08:54:15 pm
8)

Do you think NTA would do me a receipt for €500?

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/f9b1f-enterprise-support-grant-now-available-to-small-business-owners-and-school-meals-scheme-to-be-extended-into-summer/ (https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/f9b1f-enterprise-support-grant-now-available-to-small-business-owners-and-school-meals-scheme-to-be-extended-into-summer/)

Enterprise Support Grant for Small Businesses

The Minister stated that the Enterprise Support Grant will be made available to assist self-employed recipients who are exiting the Pandemic Unemployment Payment (PUP) scheme. This will provide owners with a once-off grant of up to €1,000 to re-start their business. A fund of €12m has been allocated for the extension of this grant.

The grant will be payable to self-employed micro enterprises which employ fewer than 10 people, have an annual turnover of less than €1 million and are not eligible for support from the COVID 19 Business Restart Grant or other similar business reopening grants.

Minister Doherty explained:

“We want to get Ireland back working again. In many cases, this means tackling the roadblocks and obstacles which stop an otherwise viable business from getting back up and running or simply giving them a helping hand. It is crucial that we approach this task in an innovative and flexible manner and this is what underpins today’s announcement.

“Some small self-employed businesses may face difficulties in transitioning from the Pandemic Unemployment Payment to a reliance on normal trading income, particularly in situations where normal trading conditions have not fully resumed. The Enterprise Support Grant operated by my Department is normally paid to people who are in receipt of jobseeker payments who close their claim to start their own business/enter self-employment as a micro-enterprise. It usually helps people leave unemployment to start a new business but I am going to apply the scheme to help existing small businesses – typically trades people or sole traders – return to work and to give that return a helpful boost.”

The extension of the grant to eligible recipients of the Pandemic Unemployment Payment will provide businesses with a once-off payment of up to €1,000. The Grant will be awarded to tax and PRSI compliant self-employed individuals who:

Have been in receipt of the Covid-19 Pandemic Unemployment Payment and have closed their claim;
Have reopened their business;
Employ fewer than 10 people;
Have an annual turnover of less than €1 million;
Are not eligible for other similar Covid business re-start grants from other Government Departments;
Are not liable for commercial rates;
Produce VAT receipts/invoices in respect of business re-start costs and expenses claimed.
It is envisaged that those who close their PUP claim will have a period of 4 weeks, from date of claim closure, within which to submit a claim. This is to allow time for claimants to incur the necessary expenditure, gather receipts and submit a claim.

Now that a decision has been taken to extend the scheme in this manner, the Department is developing the systems to put it into effect and will communicate how to access the grant in the coming weeks.
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Rat Catcher on July 14, 2020, 10:58:48 am
You were right, TOO. I called - answered after 21 mins, thanks to Watty keeping the riff riff at bay - and we got into a bit of a muddle with other "teams" and such like mentioned in concluding that my latest extension to the suspension hasn't been processed yet. Notwithstanding that the lady asked if I wanted new stickers and I told her the old ones are still on it but the plate wasn't coming up on their database/app, probably because it was suspended. Presumably wondering why I gave a fuck about that she suggested creating a driver link so she done that and while she was getting me a reference number for the call I checked the online register and the plate was active. Then, to add to the confusion I asked her to break the link so Welfare won't be looking for my profit/loss to continue PUP. Understandably confused at this stage - why some muppet would want to restore his plate and not go back to work and waste NTAs time/resources in so doing - obviously a bit of a conundrum.

Anywaysanall, it all seems to be in order now... plate back active without any NCT / suitability / sticker application / etc.
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Shallowhal on July 14, 2020, 11:02:51 am
Had you still got your insurance in place RC?
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Rat Catcher on July 14, 2020, 11:04:07 am
You ask some tricky questions, Hal... Fortunately, NTA don't.
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Rat Catcher on July 14, 2020, 11:12:39 am
BTW, I didn't check the database before calling so I was confusing myself as much as her... my concluding that it wasn't on the database was based on the last time I checked which was within the confirmed suspension period - so maybe they just revert to active when the max 3 month suspension is reached.

Hence I'd suggest that anyone else in a similar floating vessel look before they leap. If it's active on the online register (https://onlineregister.nationaltransport.ie/HomeVehicle.aspx) and you never got round to removing the stickers you're sorted, apparently!
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Shallowhal on July 14, 2020, 11:14:16 am
And eh.....what number did you ring?....asking for a friend!!
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: mercenary for hire on July 14, 2020, 11:14:26 am
Rc does the lack of insurance not trigger something in the NTA?
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Rat Catcher on July 14, 2020, 11:16:35 am
Please refer to reply #17, MfH

01 8798300, Hal's "friend".
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: mercenary for hire on July 14, 2020, 11:19:51 am
Ah Ok RC I'll have to wait until September to test it out.My vehicle isn't coming up at all on their database.To be clear it's suspended until then.

I'm under the 6 monthly rule so don't expect any mercy from them.
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Rat Catcher on July 14, 2020, 11:23:49 am
I'm off 'till the free money ends so if that's extended I'll have to add to the confusion, I guess. As it stands I'll be ready to roll in August.
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: mercenary for hire on July 14, 2020, 11:29:18 am
Yes me too and maybe after the Covid money ends for another month longer.Do ya know the way you need a holiday after a holiday just to unwind..

I'm hoping there's a lockdown in Jan/Feb so maybe they'll give me another year out of me banger.I've had it plated up so long the stickers are coming off at the corners.
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Rat Catcher on July 14, 2020, 11:36:58 am
That's a terrible thing to hope for... but I'd say a lot of gaffs will be due another coat of paint by 2024 or 2025, if they could pencil one in for then.
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Octavia1 on July 14, 2020, 11:49:47 am
Ah jesus.....waking up to this ....I've me stickers and I've nuttin coming up on the driver check and I want the free money .......
Can you tell me wat to do rat as I am unable to make decisions on account of everything
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Rat Catcher on July 14, 2020, 11:54:26 am
How long has your plate been suspended?
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Octavia1 on July 14, 2020, 12:00:26 pm
How long has your plate been suspended?

Havnt a clue ratt but I stopped working in march ........everything after that is a drunken blur .........
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Octavia1 on July 14, 2020, 12:01:01 pm
It has to be march ....but I've got no emails
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Rat Catcher on July 14, 2020, 12:04:50 pm
Maybe give them a ring and ask what they suggest... they're nice enough to deal with... and let us know what they say!
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Octavia1 on July 14, 2020, 12:30:05 pm
Maybe give them a ring and ask what they suggest... they're nice enough to deal with... and let us know what they say!
Ok thanks
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Octavia1 on July 14, 2020, 01:11:47 pm
Ok ratti .....I've phoned the very helpful nta .....
He has Informed me that all yu need to do is email to .....


Suspensions@nationaltransport.ie and tell them you want to suspend your licence for another month
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Octavia1 on July 14, 2020, 01:19:06 pm
suspension@nationaltransport.ie
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: mercenary for hire on July 14, 2020, 01:22:04 pm
Octy you can defer it for up to three months in one go.I'm in my second three-month suspension.

Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Octavia1 on July 14, 2020, 01:30:14 pm
Octy you can defer it for up to three months in one go.I'm in my second three-month suspension.
Thanks merc .....I've just kept it short an sweet ...."I wish to suspend for another month .....
Good to know you can suspend another 3 months without fear of a retest which would send me into a spiral of depression after me 4 months battle tryin to get me drivers licence
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Shallowhal on July 14, 2020, 02:09:35 pm
Ok lads....i'm a little confused,i'm coming to the end of my 3 month suspension(one month at a time).....Roy mentioned something about a maximum 6 months....can i continue to suspend my licence without the NTA threat of possibly having to redo the licencing process?
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Lizzzy on July 14, 2020, 02:25:48 pm
Ok lads....i'm a little confused,i'm coming to the end of my 3 month suspension(one month at a time).....Roy mentioned something about a maximum 6 months....can i continue to suspend my licence without the NTA threat of possibly having to redo the licencing process?

There's no need to be confused, just go back to work and stop being a burden on the state!!!
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Shallowhal on July 14, 2020, 02:28:51 pm
Ok lads....i'm a little confused,i'm coming to the end of my 3 month suspension(one month at a time).....Roy mentioned something about a maximum 6 months....can i continue to suspend my licence without the NTA threat of possibly having to redo the licencing process?

There's no need to be confused, just go back to work and stop being a burden on the state!!!

Ouch lizzzy!!

Maybe someone else who's sponging off the state can be more helpful.
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Rat Catcher on July 14, 2020, 04:43:03 pm
No need to resort to four letter words, Lizzy. A little decorum please.

The email I got last month said the limit is 3 months in total. I didn't notice that at the time but that's what sparked me into action today. Perhaps they are stretching the rules a bit on account of the pandemic? Anyway, I think I'll be going back next month regardless, €203 isn't really enough to keep me idling.
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Justin Time on July 14, 2020, 09:58:51 pm
suspension@nationaltransport.ie

E mailed them last Sunday  still waiting on a reply from them!
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Octavia1 on July 14, 2020, 11:17:42 pm
Ok lads....i'm a little confused,i'm coming to the end of my 3 month suspension(one month at a time).....Roy mentioned something about a maximum 6 months....can i continue to suspend my licence without the NTA threat of possibly having to redo the licencing process?

There's no need to be confused, just go back to work and stop being a burden on the state!!!

Ouch lizzzy!!

Maybe someone else who's sponging off the state can be more helpful.
Costs about a grand a day to have yu in icu on a ventilators....some in ther for 2 months......I'm savin the state a fortune by staying at home ....  :-X
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Justin Time on July 15, 2020, 10:11:35 am
40 mins wait to get through to the NTA this morning!!

I can appreciate we are in unprecedented times but 40 mins wait and not acknowledging e mails either??

That's not good enough, especially when it affects our livelihood if we have one to go back to. A waste of space quango  of the highest order.
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: mercenary for hire on July 15, 2020, 10:32:48 am
Ring them later in the day JT.The fact that there are other drivers desperate to get back on the road would bother me more.That's your competition keeping the phones busy.Where's all the work gonna come from if most of us come back in the next few weeks.

Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Rat Catcher on July 15, 2020, 10:45:16 am
21 mins yesterday but I'm not working, the free money is plenty for my needs/wants so it was of no consequence. To be fair, as Octy notes, they're been extremely helpful through these difficult times.
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Octavia1 on July 15, 2020, 10:59:32 am
the biggest mistake the nta made was demanding stickers removal .......ther was no need for that silly ting to do ....but I suppose they dealin wit alot o criminal class taxi drivers an yu cant trust the cnuts and ther was no book written on wat to do during a plaugue ......

Thers going to be fuk al work out ther for a cople years lads ...I hate to break it to yis but it's like jaws ....I never swam again after watchin it in 75 in Fairview cinema....me world changed forever ......like the gfc ...the taxi surplus will have to be culled .......some nearing retirement will opt out now .....others like the gfc will top themselves under the financial pressure but itll be called natural wastage and be all forgotten, others will get a new job but for owlfellas like most of us itll be tough if yu have a mortgages......
I was readin the other day about the fallout from this plaugue an the experts wer saying that millions will die from starvation and famine because of the flu ....I dont know how they worked that out but if that's the case then we can expect gazillion more refugees lookin for work as a taxi driver ......tink wer all fuked really
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Rat Catcher on July 15, 2020, 11:04:45 am
You could be tempted to take a fare with the stickers on, I guess. A lot of lads were making private use of their cars so would have been out and about. Outside of the big cities the window stickers are enough to attract potential clients as not all taxis have roof signs.
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Octavia1 on July 15, 2020, 11:24:26 am
You could be tempted to take a fare with the stickers on, I guess. A lot of lads were making private use of their cars so would have been out and about. Outside of the big cities the window stickers are enough to attract potential clients as not all taxis have roof signs.

Yu kno wat ratt .....they shudda letter us all continue working
And collect the 350 ( except the ambassadors) ......ther wasnt any work or at least  enough  go round and we all wud probably have been healthier mentally at least and better able to cope cause weed be ticking over going out an some blokes need ther taxi identity to feel like they are something ......an that lady (  Rip ) who's husband flipped wit the cutless be probably still alive
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Rat Catcher on July 15, 2020, 11:34:35 am
They did. You could claim the €350 provided your income was impacted to the extent that you'd accept other employment if it were available. However, most of the lads working for Free Now seem to be earning more than they declared in 2018....
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Shallowhal on July 15, 2020, 11:55:10 am
Me missus hasn't stopped singing me praises since i finished the gaff...so much so that she now wants the kitchen worktop and tiles replaced.....generally not a problem as kitchens are what i do(did) but i flogged my worktop jig(for doin the masons cut) a long time ago,Screwfix sell them....€108......as hiring them for a weekend is just as expensive.
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Rat Catcher on July 15, 2020, 12:17:49 pm
You'd get a Pole to do it for less.
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Octavia1 on July 15, 2020, 12:28:43 pm
Me missus hasn't stopped singing me praises since i finished the gaff...so much so that she now wants the kitchen worktop and tiles replaced.....generally not a problem as kitchens are what i do(did) but i flogged my worktop jig(for doin the masons cut) a long time ago,Screwfix sell them....€108......as hiring them for a weekend is just as expensive.

The taut of a wife sticking a bamboo stick up me hole as I climb a ladder ......reminds me why i live on me own
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Shallowhal on July 15, 2020, 12:31:07 pm
If ye know a Pole with a worktop jig gis a shout,although i reckon it would cost more to get someone to do it....Pole or not!!
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Rat Catcher on July 15, 2020, 12:33:46 pm
Tierney has a load of them working for him, I presume they'd have jigs?
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: markmiwurdz on July 15, 2020, 12:38:15 pm
but i flogged my worktop jig(for doin the masons cut)

------------------------------------------

Sounds painful,anesthetic required? ::fuck
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Rat Catcher on July 15, 2020, 12:54:22 pm
€77 for a Grade B one on eBay - good enough for occasional use and/or occasional loan to an acquaintance?

86 sold - only one left!

https://www.ebay.ie/itm/133355912397 (https://www.ebay.ie/itm/133355912397)
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Rat Catcher on July 15, 2020, 01:16:07 pm
Out of stock in Screwfix in the Republic. Available in Newry for stg£89.98 = €99.42 using Revolut*.

*Exchange rate correct at time of publication
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Shallowhal on July 15, 2020, 01:20:20 pm
Tierney has a load of them working for him, I presume they'd have jigs?

I used to deal with Lee himself back in the day....would manfacture any unit that i wanted outside of standard units cheaper than i could make them from scratch....
Would rather do the work myself,but will need a plumber to disconnect the gas hob.
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Rat Catcher on July 15, 2020, 01:26:33 pm
Maybe he'd lend you one for a few hours - a jig that is, not a plumber. Did you look at the hob connection... a lot have quick release hoses these days which don't need a Gas Safe man, easily identifiable bayonet type fixing that's spring loaded so the gas is knocked off automatically as you disconnect it, although there's probably a stop cock on it as well, to be sure to be sure.

P.S. Would you not get her one of them new induction hobs while you're at it? Supposed to be way better than gas, they even use them on Masterchef The Professionals these days... and better for the environment. I was gonna get one myself but my pots and pans aren't compatible with induction and they've been with me a long time so I decided to put it on the back burner for now.
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Shallowhal on July 15, 2020, 01:47:40 pm
When we had a gas oven we had a quick release hose...i fell over it in the shed not so long ago but for some reason and i don't know what that is but the hob has to be connected directly(not using the flexible hose)
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Rat Catcher on July 15, 2020, 01:50:21 pm
Solid connection is probably better anyway... presumably the oven would have to be pulled out to get at the connections hence the need for a hose.
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Shallowhal on July 15, 2020, 02:41:42 pm
We changed the gas oven to electric but we wanted to keep the gas hob(replaced also with a stainless brushed steel unit)...the wiring for the oven was always there so that was an easy install other than having to employ my kitchen fitting skills to make a unit to facilitate the narrower and shorter electric oven,when fitting the gas oven all those years ago when we moved in i had to remove the unit that was there to facilitate rails that the gas oven slid in and sat on,unfortunately it wasn't a straightforward job...are they ever...
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Rat Catcher on July 15, 2020, 02:47:48 pm
It's never straightforward! Provided there's a 32 Amp MCB on the cooker circuit - there usually is - a nice new induction hob would be a piece of piss to install... but don't get her one that's restricted to c.13 Amps, they're kinda self-defeating.
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Shallowhal on July 15, 2020, 02:59:53 pm
The cooker switch and wiring was there,connecting it was the easy bit....the fukin around to facilitate it was the hard work,
I won't be mentioning induction hobs to her but thanks for your help!!
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Rat Catcher on July 15, 2020, 03:20:53 pm
Ah go on... tell her the aul one across the road has one...
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Shallowhal on July 15, 2020, 03:30:13 pm
Ah go on... tell her the aul one across the road has one...

The oul wan across the road doesn't have one.
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Rat Catcher on July 15, 2020, 03:36:43 pm
That's your story and you're sticking to it, I guess.
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Shallowhal on July 15, 2020, 03:38:28 pm
Yes...m'lord.
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Theoneandonly on July 15, 2020, 04:19:23 pm
We changed the gas oven to electric but we wanted to keep the gas hob(replaced also with a stainless brushed steel unit)...the wiring for the oven was always there so that was an easy install other than having to employ my kitchen fitting skills to make a unit to facilitate the narrower and shorter electric oven,when fitting the gas oven all those years ago when we moved in i had to remove the unit that was there to facilitate rails that the gas oven slid in and sat on,unfortunately it wasn't a straightforward job...are they ever...

Always had a Gas hob but switched to an induction one when we changed the kitchen, same adjustability as the gas but so much cleaner, had to buy a whole new set of pots though
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Shallowhal on July 15, 2020, 04:24:31 pm
What if any extra electrical work needed to be done to facilitate an induction hob?....purely to satisfy my curiosity mind.
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Rat Catcher on July 15, 2020, 04:47:02 pm
Same as the oven... wire it into the cooker switch. Just make sure the cooker circuit is on a 32 Amp MCB (most likely is) and don't buy one that restricts it's total power to something like 13 Amps, they're designed to be plugged into a normal socket and pretty much defeat the purpose of having the power of induction. Expect to pay €400+ for a 4 ring or a bit more for 5 rings.

Now go and tell Mrs. Hal that TOO has one!
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Rat Catcher on July 15, 2020, 04:53:12 pm
The only circumstance in which I'd avoid induction is if you have a mains (water) electric shower (8KW+) and a 63 Amp consumer unit (63A = rating of main fuse)... in that scenario you could be stretching the limit on the consumer unit and find that taking a shower while the Hob, Oven and maybe a washing machine / dryer / kettle are on will pop the main fuse... at least do the math first.
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Shallowhal on July 15, 2020, 04:55:04 pm
I did notice there's also a socket down low at the back of the oven.

And we do have a Triton T90 shower.
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Rat Catcher on July 15, 2020, 05:01:20 pm
mmmm... stick with gas probably if the consumer unit is 63 Amp. Shower's probably 9KW, off the top of my head that's around 35 Amps, more than half capacity gone for a start. If the oven's taking 12 and a dryer is taking 10 that leaves fuck all before the main fuse pops... There's sites that can do the math for you, definitely worth a look before you leap!
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Shallowhal on July 15, 2020, 05:05:27 pm
I won't be leaping...therefore looking is a waste of my time.
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Rat Catcher on July 15, 2020, 05:11:24 pm
... but you haven't told her TOO has one, yet!

See I've started wanting one again now. I don't have an electric shower so that's no excuse... although I used to have one and the wiring is still there.
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Theoneandonly on July 15, 2020, 05:14:58 pm
What if any extra electrical work needed to be done to facilitate an induction hob?....purely to satisfy my curiosity mind.

Wired in with the cooker.
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Shallowhal on July 15, 2020, 05:32:40 pm
Ok...cheers lads!!
What about those fuks at the NTA though....
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Rat Catcher on July 15, 2020, 05:34:10 pm
Getting back to your gas hob, Hal... there is a little (or maybe, well) known trick among DIYers. If you're confident enough, fit the thing then turn the gas off at the meter and ring Bord Gais to report a smell of gas. They'll send a man out who'll switch it back on for you and check for leaks - with state of the art sensors, not a bottle of soapy water! - all free, gratis and for nothing!
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Shallowhal on July 15, 2020, 05:44:33 pm
Hmm...that's a bit cheeky....i don't live in a corpo rented gaff!!
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Rat Catcher on July 15, 2020, 05:50:39 pm
Ifn you did a bottle of soapy water would do!
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Theoneandonly on July 15, 2020, 05:54:16 pm
or a match
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Rat Catcher on July 15, 2020, 06:10:47 pm
I haven't had a match since Errol Flynn died.
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Lizzzy on July 15, 2020, 08:14:23 pm
Me missus hasn't stopped singing me praises since i finished the gaff...so much so that she now wants the kitchen worktop and tiles replaced.....generally not a problem as kitchens are what i do(did) but i flogged my worktop jig(for doin the masons cut) a long time ago,Screwfix sell them....€108......as hiring them for a weekend is just as expensive.

Ah, you don't need a jig, Get a steel corner joiner and butt the counters together. Then straighten 3 or 4 corner brackets and screw then together from underneath!!
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Rat Catcher on July 15, 2020, 08:28:58 pm
He wants to do a better job than that! I guess it depends on the counter. If it's covered chipboard/MDF the metal divider is probably better as it'll keep water off the joint. With solid wood the jig is probably a better option provided you oil it properly and all that.
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Lizzzy on July 15, 2020, 08:57:19 pm
He wants to do a better job than that! I guess it depends on the counter. If it's covered chipboard/MDF the metal divider is probably better as it'll keep water off the joint. With solid wood the jig is probably a better option provided you oil it properly and all that.

If he puts in a solid wood (block wood) countertop the jig is the only way to go, but most people go with chipboard and use the jig which is a bad job. (as you said)

I'm thinking hal is a chipboard type of guy.
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Rat Catcher on July 15, 2020, 09:10:15 pm
I was thinking of making my own counter from oak or something like that, not sure though... Solid wood is a better look but not as practical as covered chip... in a working kitchen you need to be able to put hot pans and trays down, that'll make shit of solid whereas a decent quality covered chip won't bat an eyelid.
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Shallowhal on July 15, 2020, 11:01:56 pm
Thanks liz......i've done millions if not hundreds of those worktop joints....i did my own and it's fukin perfect...like all the rest i've done so don't be a cunt about my professionalism.
Title: Re: NTA - for the second fukking time, stop calling us!
Post by: Lizzzy on July 16, 2020, 02:27:12 pm
Thanks liz......i've done millions if not hundreds of those worktop joints....i did my own and it's fukin perfect...like all the rest i've done so don't be a cunt about my professionalism.

Laughin!!