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Title: Autocab acquisition by Uber
Post by: Theoneandonly on August 07, 2020, 06:25:12 am
https://www.autocab.com/blog/2020/08/06/uber-to-acquire-autocab/ (https://www.autocab.com/blog/2020/08/06/uber-to-acquire-autocab/)

Probably good news for icabbi?
Title: Re: Autocab acquisition by Uber
Post by: Cool Boola on August 07, 2020, 10:11:16 am
They are not going away...anytime
Title: Re: Autocab acquisition by Uber
Post by: Theoneandonly on August 07, 2020, 06:30:54 pm

(https://i.postimg.cc/dhXj97Jb/Screen-Shot-2020-08-07-at-18-30-19.png) (https://postimg.cc/dhXj97Jb)
Title: Re: Autocab acquisition by Uber
Post by: watty on August 07, 2020, 06:34:13 pm
The UK probably won't be subject to the GDPR in a few months when they leave the EU.

Anyways, plenty of big American companies promised not to looksee at data but, after 6 months, they do just that...  FB & Google have been fined for it.
Title: Re: Autocab acquisition by Uber
Post by: Theoneandonly on August 11, 2020, 12:18:41 pm

(https://i.postimg.cc/gXyHrV2j/Screen-Shot-2020-08-11-at-12-18-00.png) (https://postimg.cc/gXyHrV2j)
Title: Re: Autocab acquisition by Uber
Post by: Theoneandonly on August 11, 2020, 12:19:28 pm

(https://i.postimg.cc/7bmScYCF/Screen-Shot-2020-08-11-at-12-19-08.png) (https://postimg.cc/7bmScYCF)
Title: Re: Autocab acquisition by Uber
Post by: Cool Boola on August 11, 2020, 01:55:00 pm

Fixed it 4 U































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Title: Re: Autocab acquisition by Uber
Post by: Theoneandonly on August 11, 2020, 07:08:26 pm

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Title: Re: Autocab acquisition by Uber
Post by: Shallowhal on August 11, 2020, 07:30:45 pm
I deleted that Covid tracker app.....drained my battery from 100% to dead from 2am to 9am.....i see that Google are involved in sorting it out.
Title: Re: Autocab acquisition by Uber
Post by: Jonno on August 11, 2020, 09:01:52 pm
I deleted that Covid tracker app.....drained my battery from 100% to dead from 2am to 9am.....i see that Google are involved in sorting it out.
I downloaded it the day it came out. Think I opened it once.

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Title: Re: Autocab acquisition by Uber
Post by: Shallowhal on August 11, 2020, 10:05:36 pm
Had been using it everyday,checking in but i noticed that the battery on my phone was draining a lot quicker and getting messages asking ne to close this and that,i deleted it before it came to light as a lot of people were having similar problems,

Only made a comment on this thread cos Roy has it at the bottom of his page.
Title: Re: Autocab acquisition by Uber
Post by: markmiwurdz on August 12, 2020, 09:36:05 am
Had been using it everyday,checking in but i noticed that the battery on my phone was draining a lot quicker and getting messages asking ne to close this and that,i deleted it before it came to light as a lot of people were having similar problems,

Only made a comment on this thread cos Roy has it at the bottom of his page.

Same here on my Samsung,a battery killer.
Title: Re: Autocab acquisition by Uber
Post by: Octavia1 on August 12, 2020, 11:47:43 am
I deleted that Covid tracker app.....drained my battery from 100% to dead from 2am to 9am.....i see that Google are involved in sorting it out.
I tink thers an app to fix that
Title: Re: Autocab acquisition by Uber
Post by: Cool Boola on August 12, 2020, 02:21:25 pm
Yeah!!!...Its called Spycam
Title: Re: Autocab acquisition by Uber
Post by: silverbullet on August 12, 2020, 08:46:01 pm
Had been using it everyday,checking in but i noticed that the battery on my phone was draining a lot quicker and getting messages asking ne to close this and that,i deleted it before it came to light as a lot of people were having similar problems,

Only made a comment on this thread cos Roy has it at the bottom of his page.
The fix is uninstall/reinstall.
Title: Re: Autocab acquisition by Uber
Post by: Shallowhal on August 12, 2020, 10:05:31 pm
Up to me bollox Silver..haven't got time for that!!
Title: Re: Autocab acquisition by Uber
Post by: watty on August 13, 2020, 10:13:29 am
Lyft's quarterly results are out this week.  It'll be an interesting 'compare and contrast' with Uber.  Lyft doesn't have an UberEats to bring in extra cash.

The 'taxi' version of Uber is in trouble.  I think I read somewhere they only have enough cash to survive another 12-15 monhts.  Remember they're losing ~$700million every 3 months.  And that was in the good times!

They've lost Asia and China.  The ECJ says they should be regulated as taxis.  They've lost their London licence and will struggle to get it back.  Uber UK have lost repeated legal cases that their drivers are NOT employees.   And in America, California* has passed AB5 saying drivers are employees and now they're threatening to sue Uber about it.  Uber, of course, are threatening to take their ball and go home (i.e., shut down in California).  Lots and lots of countries are pushing back against gig economy companies like Uber - just look at AirBnb is the coming months.  Govts are gonna need every penny they can get for the next few years & targeting the unregulated gig economy is an easy win.




* California's economy is bigger than the UK's and, if it were a standalone country, it would be the 5th biggest economy in the world.  So Uber exiting there would be a big deal.
Title: Re: Autocab acquisition by Uber
Post by: Theoneandonly on August 13, 2020, 10:38:22 am
In those countries where it has a foothold it is ubiquitous in much the same way as Free Now is here, "I'll get an Uber". "I'm waiting for my Uber" are commonly used phrases, buying the UK's leading dispatch software and adding an Uber Option will make them unstoppable (Autocab used to be the biggest here as well) but I think the big players here have moved on?

I reckon the folk in California might cause a stir if Uber threatened to leave
Title: Re: Autocab acquisition by Uber
Post by: Taxi driver42 on August 13, 2020, 11:57:52 am
I'm on uber here
Its crap last week the app rang twice
No tourists no Facebook or google people in town
No business people who normally use it
Also rideshare has to be struggling how can u share with strangers?

The greens are in though we have to watch them on rideshare
Title: Re: Autocab acquisition by Uber
Post by: Jonno on August 13, 2020, 12:19:17 pm
I'm on uber here
Its crap last week the app rang twice
No tourists no Facebook or google people in town
No business people who normally use it
Also rideshare has to be struggling how can u share with strangers?

The greens are in though we have to watch them on rideshare
There was a piece of quare around here a while back who didn't mind royid sharin'. It was like tag team central in her gaff of a Saturday night..

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Title: Re: Autocab acquisition by Uber
Post by: Shallowhal on August 13, 2020, 01:05:42 pm
I'm on uber here
Its crap last week the app rang twice
No tourists no Facebook or google people in town
No business people who normally use it
Also rideshare has to be struggling how can u share with strangers?

The greens are in though we have to watch them on rideshare
There was a piece of quare around here a while back who didn't mind royid sharin'. It was like tag team central in her gaff of a Saturday night..

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What's the address Jonno? lol
Title: Re: Autocab acquisition by Uber
Post by: Jonno on August 13, 2020, 01:12:46 pm
I'm on uber here
Its crap last week the app rang twice
No tourists no Facebook or google people in town
No business people who normally use it
Also rideshare has to be struggling how can u share with strangers?

The greens are in though we have to watch them on rideshare
There was a piece of quare around here a while back who didn't mind royid sharin'. It was like tag team central in her gaff of a Saturday night..

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What's the address Jonno? lol
Forget it! You don't want the itch [emoji16]

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Title: Re: Autocab acquisition by Uber
Post by: Rat Catcher on August 13, 2020, 01:14:17 pm
Uber is only here to keep the Brits and Yanks happy. If the Airport is quiet there's fuck all on it... and a lot of the brits that use it whinge about the meter anyway... fuck them.
Title: Re: Autocab acquisition by Uber
Post by: Octavia1 on August 13, 2020, 01:31:25 pm
Lyft's quarterly results are out this week.  It'll be an interesting 'compare and contrast' with Uber.  Lyft doesn't have an UberEats to bring in extra cash.

The 'taxi' version of Uber is in trouble.  I think I read somewhere they only have enough cash to survive another 12-15 monhts.  Remember they're losing ~$700million every 3 months.  And that was in the good times!

They've lost Asia and China.  The ECJ says they should be regulated as taxis.  They've lost their London licence and will struggle to get it back.  Uber UK have lost repeated legal cases that their drivers are NOT employees.   And in America, California* has passed AB5 saying drivers are employees and now they're threatening to sue Uber about it.  Uber, of course, are threatening to take their ball and go home (i.e., shut down in California).  Lots and lots of countries are pushing back against gig economy companies like Uber - just look at AirBnb is the coming months.  Govts are gonna need every penny they can get for the next few years & targeting the unregulated gig economy is an easy win.




* California's economy is bigger than the UK's and, if it were a standalone country, it would be the 5th biggest economy in the world.  So Uber exiting there would be a big deal.

https://news.sky.com/story/uber-warns-it-will-shut-down-in-california-if-it-loses-legal-battle-12048276
Title: Re: Autocab acquisition by Uber
Post by: markmiwurdz on August 13, 2020, 03:15:18 pm
Lyft's quarterly results are out this week.  It'll be an interesting 'compare and contrast' with Uber.  Lyft doesn't have an UberEats to bring in extra cash.

The 'taxi' version of Uber is in trouble.  I think I read somewhere they only have enough cash to survive another 12-15 monhts.  Remember they're losing ~$700million every 3 months.  And that was in the good times!

They've lost Asia and China.  The ECJ says they should be regulated as taxis.  They've lost their London licence and will struggle to get it back.  Uber UK have lost repeated legal cases that their drivers are NOT employees.   And in America, California* has passed AB5 saying drivers are employees and now they're threatening to sue Uber about it.  Uber, of course, are threatening to take their ball and go home (i.e., shut down in California).  Lots and lots of countries are pushing back against gig economy companies like Uber - just look at AirBnb is the coming months.  Govts are gonna need every penny they can get for the next few years & targeting the unregulated gig economy is an easy win.




* California's economy is bigger than the UK's and, if it were a standalone country, it would be the 5th biggest economy in the world.  So Uber exiting there would be a big deal.

https://news.sky.com/story/uber-warns-it-will-shut-down-in-california-if-it-loses-legal-battle-12048276

Surely this will have an impact on that great medal giving German company???
Title: Re: Autocab acquisition by Uber
Post by: dalymount on August 13, 2020, 04:10:51 pm
If UBER drivers were deemed by the courts in the UK to be employees,then why does the same criteria not apply to dispatchers here who operate similarly ?
Title: Re: Autocab acquisition by Uber
Post by: Theoneandonly on August 13, 2020, 04:24:57 pm
If UBER drivers were deemed by the courts in the UK to be employees,then why does the same criteria not apply to dispatchers here who operate similarly ?

I don't think it was the UK that said they're employees, it was California, the sun and the drugs got to their head
Title: Re: Autocab acquisition by Uber
Post by: Jonno on August 13, 2020, 04:27:21 pm
If UBER drivers were deemed by the courts in the UK to be employees,then why does the same criteria not apply to dispatchers here who operate similarly ?

I don't think it was the UK that said they're employees, it was California, the sun and the drugs got to their head
Unlike Uber Joe, I don't wish to be anyone's employee.

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Title: Re: Autocab acquisition by Uber
Post by: Shallowhal on August 13, 2020, 04:58:33 pm
Surely if they're now employees Uber could call the shots on what hours they want them working....or do drivers want it both ways?
Title: Re: Autocab acquisition by Uber
Post by: Jonno on August 13, 2020, 05:07:16 pm
Surely if they're now employees Uber could call the shots on what hours they want them working....or do drivers want it both ways?
Exactly my point. I worked for the man for long enough. I would not go back to that shite for diamonds I'd rather spend the second half of every year going through a mental struggle with the taxman than be told what time I have to get up in the morning or when I'm permitted to have a cup o' cha.

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Title: Re: Autocab acquisition by Uber
Post by: Rat Catcher on August 13, 2020, 05:17:38 pm
I don't think Free Now operate in California. Back in the Hail0 days they lost c.US$100,000,000 before leaving the US market.
Title: Re: Autocab acquisition by Uber
Post by: watty on August 13, 2020, 05:31:48 pm
If UBER drivers were deemed by the courts in the UK to be employees,then why does the same criteria not apply to dispatchers here who operate similarly ?

I don't think it was the UK that said they're employees, it was California, the sun and the drugs got to their head
Uber UK has lost every case in every court so far and they've gambled one last time on the UK Supreme Court.  Sept is D-day.

Uber Vs. London – The Courtroom Battle The World Is Watching (https://www.forbes.com/sites/daviddawkins/2020/07/30/uber-vs-london--the-courtroom-battle-the-world-is-watching/)

Quote
Uber, the mobile ride-hailing giant responsible globally for over 1.9 billion “trips” a year is facing a summer showdown in two London courts as scrutiny mounts over licensing issues and the drivers’ classification as “workers.” Both cases have huge ramifications for Uber and could set a precedent for so-called “gig economy” workers around the world.

With decisions expected in September, the two Uber drivers at the heart of the 5-year long battle for representation and basic rights have told Forbes that Uber’s ride-hailing system is a danger to its exhausted drivers, and global change is desperately needed. The former drivers claim that forcing Uber to accept drivers as workers will help rid Uber of its “sweatshop labor” culture, and reset the dehumanising “entitlement” differential between riders and drivers. London’s Supreme court has now broken to consider its decision.

Uber now faces making significant changes to its business model in the U.K. If the court rules against Uber, they will be expected to pay minimum wage and grant holiday time to drivers. However, that sum is likely to pale in comparison to the 20% VAT and 13.2% national insurance contributions Uber will have to pay to the British taxman if the court does agree that Uber is a “transportation provider.” The Good Law project has estimated from 2017 earnings that the figure for Uber’s VAT in the U.K. could be in “excess” of $1.3 billion per year.
The ECJ has already said Uber is a transporation service and not a software company (can't remember the exact legal phrase)

Quote
...The [UK] Supreme Court ruling pitches a global tech super-power with a $50 billion plus market cap, against the very drivers that made Uber such a phenomenal offering. If London’s Supreme Court upholds the employment tribunal’s ruling, Uber will be forced to recognise drivers as much more than merely contractors and will be entitled to basic worker benefits and the minimum wage. With ongoing legal proceedings in the Supreme Court of Canada and with an incoming lawsuit from California’s attorney general filed in May – all eyes are on London to potentially set a global precedent.
Title: Re: Autocab acquisition by Uber
Post by: Shallowhal on August 13, 2020, 05:33:37 pm
Uber love throwing millions of dollars around like confetti at a hanging....but don't like contributing small change for the grushie!!
Title: Re: Autocab acquisition by Uber
Post by: watty on August 13, 2020, 05:37:25 pm
Good point.  Uber's M.O. so far around the world has been to undercut the competition and price them out of business.  They charge about 50% of the 'real' fare and are losing ~$700million every 90 days.  That's why the Autocab tie-up is confusing.  Maybe they'll rebrand if they lose in the UK Supreme Court and claim they're Autocab and not Uber?
Title: Re: Autocab acquisition by Uber
Post by: watty on August 13, 2020, 06:42:48 pm
SCHRODINGER’S CAB FIRM: UBER’S EXISTENTIAL CRISIS (https://www.londonreconnections.com/2019/schrodingers-cab-firm-ubers-existential-crisis/) (London Reconnections, Late 2019)

This is a good, if long, summary of Uber's predicaments in London and the UK.  It also highlights that Uber could potentially owe HMRC (Revenue) over £1b in unpaid VAT  oops