Irish Taxi Forum
Public Area => Taxi Talk => Topic started by: watty on December 29, 2021, 07:20:23 pm
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Another holiday weekend & FreeNow is encouraging taxi drivers via monetary incentives to do 2 or 3 FN jobs per hour for 3 hours over the weekend. With those sort of time pressures, a taxi driver is likely to have to refuse street fares to make quotas like 7 jobs in 3 hours.
AFAIK, a taxi driver can only officially refuse a fare for 3 reasons:
- passenger is too drunk or potentially dangerous
- there's a risk they might not pay
- the distance is over 30km
I don't think you can refuse a passenger because you're waiting for the app to ping. And even though you might have a job offer on the screen, the potential passenger can cancel it at a whim with no consequences. FreeNow certainly won't give you a cancellation/scrub fee just because you were almost at the potential passenger's house. The job doesn't start for certain until the potential FreeNow passenger actually gets in the taxi.
So is FreeNow encouraging us to break the law by driving past street customers with the potential offer of a job that may or may not happen in a few minutes? If you got reported, would you honestly tell the NTA inspector you drove past the definitive customer (with their hand out) because you might have had a potential job 10 minutes down the job but you couldn't be sure until you got there.
Does it also discriminate against people with disabilities who cannot use the app to order a taxi? Remember FreeNow doesn't offer a phone service to anybody. These disabled people might rely on street hailing or the ranks but if drivers ignore them because their phone pings (or might ping in a few minutes within the 3 hour promotional window), that's a bit naughty and contrary to the 'public service' part of our PSV licence!
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Another holiday weekend & FreeNow is encouraging taxi drivers via monetary incentives to do 2 or 3 FN jobs per hour for 3 hours over the weekend. With those sort of time pressures, a taxi driver is likely to have to refuse street fares to make quotas like 7 jobs in 3 hours.
AFAIK, a taxi driver can only officially refuse a fare for 3 reasons:
- passenger is too drunk or potentially dangerous
- there's a risk they might not pay
- the distance is over 30km
I don't think you can refuse a passenger because you're waiting for the app to ping. And even though you might have a job offer on the screen, the potential passenger can cancel it at a whim with no consequences. FreeNow certainly won't give you a cancellation/scrub fee just because you were almost at the potential passenger's house. The job doesn't start for certain until the potential FreeNow passenger actually gets in the taxi.
So is FreeNow encouraging us to break the law by driving past street customers with the potential offer of a job that may or may not happen in a few minutes? If you got reported, would you honestly tell the NTA inspector you drove past the definitive customer (with their hand out) because you might have had a potential job 10 minutes down the job but you couldn't be sure until you got there.
Does it also discriminate against people with disabilities who cannot use the app to order a taxi? Remember FreeNow doesn't offer a phone service to anybody. These disabled people might rely on street hailing or the ranks but if drivers ignore them because their phone pings (or might ping in a few minutes within the 3 hour promotional window), that's a bit naughty and contrary to the 'public service' part of our PSV licence!
Is that you erm?
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No, would he use paragraphs?
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rofl
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During one quest, I was on 3 jobs done at 8.20 pm and a Fourth close by job was offered to me going 22.7km's away, most usually l would be all over this juicy job but I declined it fer financial reasons.
The thinking being that the job would be worth about 46 Euro less 7 in commission and if I did it then I would not make made my 7 job Bobo by 10pm. Instead I stuck to the city and suburbs and got 4 more fares + the Bobo by 9.45pm.
If'n I had taken the 22.7km job fer 39 notes then I would not have made the 40 Bobo so I would have being doing the job fer nothing !
By staying with the short hops in the city I got the required extra 4 jobs at full fare + PUC + Bobo.
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Another holiday weekend & FreeNow is encouraging taxi drivers via monetary incentives to do 2 or 3 FN jobs per hour for 3 hours over the weekend. With those sort of time pressures, a taxi driver is likely to have to refuse street fares to make quotas like 7 jobs in 3 hours.
AFAIK, a taxi driver can only officially refuse a fare for 3 reasons:
- passenger is too drunk or potentially dangerous
- there's a risk they might not pay
- the distance is over 30km
I don't think you can refuse a passenger because you're waiting for the app to ping. And even though you might have a job offer on the screen, the potential passenger can cancel it at a whim with no consequences. FreeNow certainly won't give you a cancellation/scrub fee just because you were almost at the potential passenger's house. The job doesn't start for certain until the potential FreeNow passenger actually gets in the taxi.
So is FreeNow encouraging us to break the law by driving past street customers with the potential offer of a job that may or may not happen in a few minutes? If you got reported, would you honestly tell the NTA inspector you drove past the definitive customer (with their hand out) because you might have had a potential job 10 minutes down the job but you couldn't be sure until you got there.
Does it also discriminate against people with disabilities who cannot use the app to order a taxi? Remember FreeNow doesn't offer a phone service to anybody. These disabled people might rely on street hailing or the ranks but if drivers ignore them because their phone pings (or might ping in a few minutes within the 3 hour promotional window), that's a bit naughty and contrary to the 'public service' part of our PSV licence!
Sheep are meant to be sheared I suppose.
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Watty ....yur overthinking the problem .....just drive past the cnuts ... :-\
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........ I don't think you can refuse a passenger because you're waiting for the app to ping.....
....... And even though you might have a job offer on the screen, the potential passenger can cancel it at a whim with no consequences.......
I'm not so sure that passing a street hail constitutes refusing a passenger ??
Secondly, potential passengers are charged a Fiver cancellation fee if they cancel after 2 minutes of the job being accepted.
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Reasonably sure that the rules only apply when "standing for hire at a rank".
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WHAT RULES ?No good complaining now when there is no work you sold your work for medals and stickers .
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WHAT RULES ?No good complaining now when there is no work you sold your work for medals and stickers .
TFI rules regarding the right yo refuse a fare.
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WHAT RULES ?No good complaining now when there is no work you sold your work for medals and stickers .
TFI rules regarding the right yo refuse a fare.
No such thing .Read between the lines if you think they are Drunk unlikely to pay or feel threatened that just about means no Rules do what you like we have you covered .
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Passing a street hail doesn't constitute refusing a fare....you could always say you're on your way to charge your car!!
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rofl
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Turn the roof sin off and don't park on a designated or unofficial rank... simples?
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Turn the roof sin off and don't park on a designated or unofficial rank... simples?
+1
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WHAT RULES ?No good complaining now when there is no work you sold your work for medals and stickers .
I disagree, we bought it by embracing the medals and stickers ...
And please don't anyone preach to me about 'When' or 'If' !
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I see that, according to FN's yearbook email, some driver did 8872 FN jobs in 2021. I believe that I work hours that are probably too long for my long term health, but my total job numbers across all platforms is very, very, very very significantly lower that that. It has to be multiple drivers on the same app.
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In the middle of a lockdown,when I was struggling to hit 15 jobs a week,how the fuck can one driver hit 170 jobs a week?
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I see that, according to FN's yearbook email, some driver did 8872 FN jobs in 2021. I believe that I work hours that are probably too long for my long term health, but my total job numbers across all platforms is very, very, very very significantly lower that that. It has to be multiple drivers on the same app.
A blind eye is turned.
Same for the 17,000 people "naturalised" because they were illegal immigrants, but managed to avoid the law. It's an admission that our borders are more porous than a Donegal house.
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In the middle of a lockdown,when I was struggling to hit 15 jobs a week,how the fuck can one driver hit 170 jobs a week?
It wasn't one driver.... ::fuck ::fuck
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How do the drivers organise the cash, and income tax obligations between themselves?
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Robbie paper never refused ink .Im sure somebody in My Taxi would love for somebody to question those numbers so The taxi thingey decides to chip the meter to restrict it from taking any jobs after it is turned on for 11 hours .That way lads would probably start their day by accepting a Prebook .and once they are working the app they will continue to use it .All this could be done in the name of Safety ?
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How do the drivers organise the cash, and income tax obligations between themselves?
They probably all live in the same apartment with one or two laptops between them. Easy enough to play 'show & tell' each week when their statements are emailed out.
As for income taxes rofl
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Robbie paper never refused ink .Im sure somebody in My Taxi would love for somebody to question those numbers so The taxi thingey decides to chip the meter to restrict it from taking any jobs after it is turned on for 11 hours .That way lads would probably start their day by accepting a Prebook .and once they are working the app they will continue to use it .All this could be done in the name of Safety ?
St Patrick's Athletic has done a deal to bring Pakistani "footballers" to Ireland. Watch the natives burning their cricket bats pronto.
One problem to be dealt with is - every time they're awarded a corner they build a shop on it! 8)
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How do the drivers organise the cash, and income tax obligations between themselves?
They probably all live in the same apartment with one or two laptops between them. Easy enough to play 'show & tell' each week when their statements are emailed out.
As for income taxes rofl
One bank account gets all the money, and therefore has a tax obligation on it, so he pays it, and gives a tax reduced amount of withdrawn cash to the other driver(s)?
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How do the drivers organise the cash, and income tax obligations between themselves?
They probably all live in the same apartment with one or two laptops between them. Easy enough to play 'show & tell' each week when their statements are emailed out.
As for income taxes rofl
One bank account gets all the money, and therefore has a tax obligation on it, so he pays it, and gives a tax reduced amount of withdrawn cash to the other driver(s)?
The bank a/c holder probably pays the rent for the three of them on the one-room they share with their Baltic brides.
They get to hold onto the cash. Baltic brazzers and Balti food, what's not to like? 8)
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How do the drivers organise the cash, and income tax obligations between themselves?
Gangmasters .Who said the drivers get any money ?Brought to the west and now need to pay off the DEATH .Probably get bed board and cab .Do you see now what is happening .We are creating Questions that need answering and solutions .Like Chipping the Meter ,and all because of a Free Now Mail Shop .Q Annon would love us attacking ourselves so we can attack ourselves .You know thats what happened to the Leprechauns they spent to much time chasing the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow that they never noticed the Trolls had taken over .
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How do the drivers organise the cash, and income tax obligations between themselves?
Gangmasters .Who said the drivers get any money ?Brought to the west and now need to pay off the DEATH .Probably get bed board and cab .Do you see now what is happening .We are creating Questions that need answering and solutions .Like Chipping the Meter ,and all because of a Free Now Mail Shop .Q Annon would love us attacking ourselves so we can attack ourselves .You know thats what happened to the Leprechauns they spent to much time chasing the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow that they never noticed the Trolls had taken over .
O' Death Where is Thy Singh? 8)
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I'd say one driver could do it if he has a spot that he likes to work where nobody else likes.Ballymun for example...I hate the place and rarely pick up out there but there is a lot of shit local work that would keep ya busy if you worked 6/7 days.
I've seen drivers parked up at night waiting for the app to give them a job rather than look for street work, when it's hopping out. We've been conditioned to take app jobs over street work.Some even defend Freenow on here.Takes all sorts.
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8872 ÷ 365 = 24 jobs per day with no days off. Unlikely.
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When I started out during the shite years I was taking all the work I could .A young lad with major bills to pay could do the long hours.I was working 14 hours a day and I know drivers who were doing 18.Now I'm nearly retired.
When hailo started I'd easily do 25 jobs in a day around Christmas.Not anymore though.Cant even get off the sofa.
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Sure you're a kept man at this stage MFH....your aspirations realised!!
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More gick from freenow ..don't be mindin them
...did yu know that 50% of Pakistani marry ther first cousin?
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I'd say one driver could do it if he has a spot that he likes to work where nobody else likes.Ballymun for example...I hate the place and rarely pick up out there but there is a lot of shit local work that would keep ya busy if you worked 6/7 days.
I've seen drivers parked up at night waiting for the app to give them a job rather than look for street work, when it's hopping out. We've been conditioned to take app jobs over street work.Some even defend Freenow on here.Takes all sorts.
Probably too risky to share the app or car, accidents, insurance etc cosy days are gone.. 24 jobs per day for 365 days is body killing.
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It's hard going alright Bob but the app rewards hard work and long hours.If yer doing split shifts and working all the peak hours it just keeps feeding you.One busy ambassador could be doing the work of two or three if the algorithm takes a fancy to him.Well that was my expeirence back when it was Hailo.There was a Romanian chap I used to meet on the ranks and he was doing 25/30 jobs a day working the Southside.It's not easy though as you know.
I found the contsant bings and bongs from the app used to drive me nuts after a busy few weeks.
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Did they say how much freight he paid? I remember when we could do as much work as we wanted for €80/week.
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Did they say how much freight he paid? I remember when we could do as much work as we wanted for €80/week.
€20k+ I would say.
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Did they say how much freight he paid? I remember when we could do as much work as we wanted for €80/week.
Didn't we get charged a commission on account work in Metro, City,Blue,NRC, VIP, and practically any other old-fashioned cab company, on top of that IR£80, plus pay for uniforms, meter insurance, bribes, Xmas boxes, etc? I could go on... 8)
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One strange 'FACT' on that FN yearbook email was that the longest fare was just 157 km fer 236 Euro, that is just like Dooblin to Kilkenny, are they saying that in a whole year not a single Cork/Dooblin job was completed on the app ??
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Did they say how much freight he paid? I remember when we could do as much work as we wanted for €80/week.
Didn't we get charged a commission on account work in Metro, City,Blue,NRC, VIP, and practically any other old-fashioned cab company, on top of that IR£80, plus pay for uniforms, meter insurance, bribes, Xmas boxes, etc? I could go on... 8)
I was never charged commission by Blue Cabs or C2k or bought a uniform. C2K freight was €80 not IR£80 and you could do as much or as little work as you wanted for that and the company paid for the shirts, good quality they were too, Fruit Of The Loom if memory serves.
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Did they say how much freight he paid? I remember when we could do as much work as we wanted for €80/week.
Didn't we get charged a commission on account work in Metro, City,Blue,NRC, VIP, and practically any other old-fashioned cab company, on top of that IR£80, plus pay for uniforms, meter insurance, bribes, Xmas boxes, etc? I could go on... 8)
I was never charged commission by Blue Cabs or C2k or bought a uniform. C2K freight was €80 not IR£80 and you could do as much or as little work as you wanted for that and the company paid for the shirts, good quality they were too, Fruit Of The Loom if memory serves.
Were you expected to do the 37% discount HSE work, for which no written agreement was ever shared with the drivers?
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No. All HSE work on C2K and Blue Cabs was full fare back then. In fact, we often got well over the odds allowing passengers with individual vouchers share taxis at busy times which was most times back then.
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No. All HSE work on C2K and Blue Cabs was full fare back then. In fact, we often got well over the odds allowing passengers with individual vouchers share taxis at busy times which was most times back then.
Did ya drive the northside Merc or a southside Merc with the same reg? 8)
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Never drove a Mercedes as a taxi.
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Never drove a Mercedes as a taxi.
Probably before your time. The legend goes, A Merc broke down in Phoenix Park, the colour escapes me. A fellow cabbie was radioed to help, unfortunately, it was a clone. An eagle-eyed Garda spotted the anomaly.
It helped silence a once outspoken rep allegedly.
You seemed to have such a wonderful time with the old-fashioned cab companies I'm surprised you didn't stay.
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Mercedes cars weren't before my time. There's still a few in use as taxis today in fact:
http://intaxi.org/database/model.php?q=MERCEDES%20BENZ (http://intaxi.org/database/model.php?q=MERCEDES%20BENZ)
Model Report : MERCEDES BENZ
1. E SERIES 191 42%
2. E220 50 11%
3. E 220 CDI 41 9%
4. E220 D 36 8%
5. E200 19 4%
6. VITO TRAVELINER 16 4%
7. C SERIES 15 3%
8. V SERIES 14 3%
9. E300 12 3%
10. E CLASS 220 D 6 1%
11. 111 CDI KA/L VITO 5DR 5 1%
12. C220 5 1%
13. E250 5 1%
14. VIANO 3 1%
15. E CLASS 3 1%
16. E320 3 1%
17. C200 Classic 3 1%
18. VITO 112CDI 3 1%
19. S350 3 1%
20. C CLASS 3 1%
21. C180 3 1%
22. E280 2 0%
23. E350 CDI 2 0%
24. 108D VITO 2.2 1 0%
25. V250 1 0%
26. GLB 1 0%
27. E320 CDI AVANTGARDE 4DR A 1 0%
28. CITAN 1 0%
29. S500e 1 0%
30. VITO 111 CDI 1 0%
31. SPRINTER 1 0%
32. E270 1 0%
33. S SERIES 1 0%
34. V 220
I was almost full-time back then. Free Now freight works out at c.€4/hour without ambassadorship, priority or any gold stars and without attempting to maximise turnover - currently I only serve residential addresses i.e. no pubs, offices, hotels, car rental sheds, DAP pickups, etc... If I was doing more than 20 hours I'd probably go back to C2K.
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Mercedes cars weren't before my time. There's still a few in use as taxis today in fact:
[url]http://intaxi.org/database/model.php?q=MERCEDES%20BENZ[/url] ([url]http://intaxi.org/database/model.php?q=MERCEDES%20BENZ[/url])
Model Report : MERCEDES BENZ
1. E SERIES 191 42%
2. E220 50 11%
3. E 220 CDI 41 9%
4. E220 D 36 8%
5. E200 19 4%
6. VITO TRAVELINER 16 4%
7. C SERIES 15 3%
8. V SERIES 14 3%
9. E300 12 3%
10. E CLASS 220 D 6 1%
11. 111 CDI KA/L VITO 5DR 5 1%
12. C220 5 1%
13. E250 5 1%
14. VIANO 3 1%
15. E CLASS 3 1%
16. E320 3 1%
17. C200 Classic 3 1%
18. VITO 112CDI 3 1%
19. S350 3 1%
20. C CLASS 3 1%
21. C180 3 1%
22. E280 2 0%
23. E350 CDI 2 0%
24. 108D VITO 2.2 1 0%
25. V250 1 0%
26. GLB 1 0%
27. E320 CDI AVANTGARDE 4DR A 1 0%
28. CITAN 1 0%
29. S500e 1 0%
30. VITO 111 CDI 1 0%
31. SPRINTER 1 0%
32. E270 1 0%
33. S SERIES 1 0%
34. V 220
I was almost full-time back then. Free Now freight works out at c.€4/hour without ambassadorship, priority or any gold stars and without attempting to maximise turnover - currently I only serve residential addresses i.e. no pubs, offices, hotels, car rental sheds, DAP pickups, etc... If I was doing more than 20 hours I'd probably go back to C2K.
Cloned Mercs were probably before your time.
Looking at your Merc list, not many workhorses 300D's.
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https://m.independent.ie/business/irish/regulator-probes-claim-of-clone-a-cab-licence-scam-26474463.html
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https://m.independent.ie/business/irish/regulator-probes-claim-of-clone-a-cab-licence-scam-26474463.html
I wonder how many cloned cabs Gormless and his lickspittle uncovered? 8)
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To be fair, the odd cloned car wasn't a huge issue prior to entry liberalisation. The then unions managed to maintain a regulated trade for over two decades, a lot longer than comparable trades.
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Did they say how much freight he paid? I remember when we could do as much work as we wanted for €80/week.
@ 10% , FN did 870.2 fares without startin an engine.