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Title: Driver refused fare because he wouldn't fold down back seat
Post by: watty on May 07, 2023, 07:00:53 pm
Had an odd one today.  Pulled into an apartment block just as a Tesla was pulling out.  The girl was a party organiser (balloons etc) and have a lightweight 5ft metal stand with her.  She asked me to fold down one of the back seats so she could throw it in the boot.  No problem, says I, and off we went.

She said the (new Irish) Tesla driver refused the FreeNow fare because he didn't want to damage his taxi by folding one of the back seats!  And it got me thinking... We can refuse a fare if the passenger is drunk/dangerous, won't pay and/or the distance is over 30km.  Can we refuse a fare because we don't like the luggage - the look of it or the size of it?

Would you refuse a fare is you had to fold down the back seat(s) in your taxi?  What if it was some rich guy with skis?  Is it legal/illegal?  When some people could potentially vomit/shit on your back seat, business must be good if some are refusing easy fares like that?
Title: Re: Driver refused fare because he wouldn't fold down back seat
Post by: Jack Meoff on May 07, 2023, 07:07:05 pm
It’s a man with van she wanted
Title: Re: Driver refused fare because he wouldn't fold down back seat
Post by: John m on May 07, 2023, 07:08:09 pm
He was Correct we are licenced to carry PASSENGERS .Rule of thumb can I carry the full compliment of passengers with the seat folded down .Are you insured if you are modifying the seating to carry Cargo ?I decide depending on the personal approach taken by the passenger .I have both accepted and refused .Its the drives choice he was absolutely Correct .
Title: Re: Driver refused fare because he wouldn't fold down back seat
Post by: watty on May 07, 2023, 07:15:55 pm
Interesting POV's.  Thanks  ::clap
Title: Re: Driver refused fare because he wouldn't fold down back seat
Post by: Jack Meoff on May 07, 2023, 07:22:15 pm
Just like those house moving jobs.
I have a mini bus and wouldn’t do one.
Best way of refusing those shitty jobs is to say to them is “will I give you a price first”
Title: Re: Driver refused fare because he wouldn't fold down back seat
Post by: John m on May 07, 2023, 07:24:44 pm
How did you secure the Load ?If you hit your brake and the table shot forward and shlced off your head or the Passengers .Where would your insurance Stand ?
Title: Re: Driver refused fare because he wouldn't fold down back seat
Post by: watty on May 07, 2023, 07:52:01 pm
It was't a house-moving job.  It was a 5ft sign that said Happy Birthday on it.  The sign was lightweight and probably more plastic than metal.  It lay flat on the boot floor. 

It said 'Happy Birthday' on it so it wasn't going to hit anyone!  O:-)  Karma 'n all that  :P
Title: Re: Driver refused fare because he wouldn't fold down back seat
Post by: watty on May 07, 2023, 07:59:09 pm
Would youse refuse a woman with a lots of shopping bags and a pram?
Title: Re: Driver refused fare because he wouldn't fold down back seat
Post by: John m on May 07, 2023, 08:19:06 pm
Would youse refuse a woman with a lots of shopping bags and a pram?

NO as long as it fit in the boot .
Title: Re: Driver refused fare because he wouldn't fold down back seat
Post by: mercenary for hire on May 08, 2023, 12:18:12 am
Nothing to do with the OP but...

There are a lot of EVs that are way too nice to be taxis.In the last two weeks I've been stuck behind a BZ4X that couldnt fit down Nicholas ave D7 (Google it cos I had to) without driving on the footpath.They're lovely but the size of a land cruiser from 2006.

Then a few days ago I was behind a new Kia Ev6 that could not advance down St Peters road D7 without yielding to everything else.What's the point in having these lovely cars if they're not for for purpose?

I really dont think Dublin is ready for these much bigger vehicles.The lanes are getting narrower everyday.
Title: Re: Driver refused fare because he wouldn't fold down back seat
Post by: John m on May 08, 2023, 05:19:37 am
Merch EV are going to be expensive to run .The Government are selling anchorage for wind Turbines off the coast @ 150 euro per windmill per hour for every hour it is generating .That is the most expensive anchorage on the Planet .That will be passed on to consumers .The days of Cheapish Electricity in Ireland are over .Especially as the Government GUARENTEE cheap Electricity to Data Centers .EVs will make environmental sence but not economic .Even the Germans are rowing back on no Dirty fuel vehicles after  2035 .

Does anybody know what is the life expectancy of a Windmill anchored in Salty water .There are not a lot of Ships sailing the World older than Me .
Title: Re: Driver refused fare because he wouldn't fold down back seat
Post by: Belker on May 08, 2023, 06:37:28 am
Would youse refuse a woman with a lots of shopping bags and a pram?
I don't like those type of jobs but I have never refused one.
Title: Re: Driver refused fare because he wouldn't fold down back seat
Post by: Bob Shillin on May 08, 2023, 03:48:26 pm
Nothing to do with the OP but...

There are a lot of EVs that are way too nice to be taxis.In the last two weeks I've been stuck behind a BZ4X that couldnt fit down Nicholas ave D7 (Google it cos I had to) without driving on the footpath.They're lovely but the size of a land cruiser from 2006.

Then a few days ago I was behind a new Kia Ev6 that could not advance down St Peters road D7 without yielding to everything else.What's the point in having these lovely cars if they're not for for purpose?

I really dont think Dublin is ready for these much bigger vehicles.The lanes are getting narrower everyday.
Note also the Camry has a poor turning circle. 'Twould never qualify for London.
Title: Re: Driver refused fare because he wouldn't fold down back seat
Post by: mercenary for hire on May 09, 2023, 09:12:22 am
Is the Camry a lot worse than your last Mercedes for turning Bob?
Title: Re: Driver refused fare because he wouldn't fold down back seat
Post by: Bob Shillin on May 09, 2023, 04:41:38 pm
Is the Camry a lot worse than your last Mercedes for turning Bob?
Yeas it is worse, and the Merc wasn't great, but at least the cameras are a help for the 3 point turn.
Title: Re: Driver refused fare because he wouldn't fold down back seat
Post by: mercenary for hire on May 09, 2023, 05:06:13 pm
https://youtu.be/aULRhgG_Az8
Title: Re: Driver refused fare because he wouldn't fold down back seat
Post by: Bubba Ho-Tep on May 10, 2023, 09:12:45 am
All luggage is to be carried in the boot and should not be higher than the parcel shelf if you have one. None in the passenger compartment. You may find your insurance will stipulate same conditions. Using fold down seats make storage insecure.
Title: Re: Driver refused fare because he wouldn't fold down back seat
Post by: Belker on May 10, 2023, 02:21:21 pm
All luggage is to be carried in the boot and should not be higher than the parcel shelf if you have one. None in the passenger compartment. You may find your insurance will stipulate same conditions. Using fold down seats make storage insecure.
Is that from an official site Bubba ?
Title: Re: Driver refused fare because he wouldn't fold down back seat
Post by: Rat Catcher on May 10, 2023, 06:47:59 pm
Typical immigrant. How do they get licensed?
Title: Re: Driver refused fare because he wouldn't fold down back seat
Post by: watty on May 10, 2023, 07:42:17 pm
I searched the 2018 version of "The Official Manual for Operating in the SPSV Industry" (Ed. 71, 2018) for the word 'luggage'.  Here's a selection:

Right to refuse service
- To carry luggage or other articles in the person’s possession which are in excess of the
luggage carrying capacity of, or could cause damage to, a taxi.

Customer service
- You must offer reasonable assistance with luggage.

Size of vehicle
- The vehicle must incorporate a luggage area of at least 420 litres secured by a guard or cover,
including space capable of accommodating a folded wheelchair. It must be available for luggage
– it must not contain any other unsecured items, or be dirty or damp. The luggage capacity
requirement may be reduced for certain vehicles, such as electric or hybrid vehicles, and it does
not apply to vehicles associated with local area hackney licences.

Refusing a passenger
- A passenger with too much luggage to be carried safely in the interior of the vehicle, or
whose luggage poses a danger to the driver or others;

Handling and transporting luggage and other heavy items
- Many working days are lost because of injuries, including back injuries, caused by incorrect
handling and lifting of heavy or bulky items. As an SPSV driver, you will frequently be asked to
help customers with luggage, and it is worthwhile learning how to do so properly. All SPSV
drivers are recommended to take a manual handling course with a professional organisation.
It is important to consider not only whether you can safely load an item into your vehicle, but
also whether transporting the item presents a potential health and safety risk to you, your
passenger, or others – for example, bulky luggage that cannot be suitably restrained, or that
affects your ability to control the vehicle or to see through the windows.
As an SPSV driver, you may refuse to lift or carry any item that, in your judgement, is liable to
cause injury to yourself or to others.

Title: Re: Driver refused fare because he wouldn't fold down back seat
Post by: John m on May 10, 2023, 07:45:53 pm
I searched the 2018 version of "The Official Manual for Operating in the SPSV Industry" (Ed. 71, 2018) for the word 'luggage'.  Here's a selection:

Right to refuse service
- To carry luggage or other articles in the person’s possession which are in excess of the
luggage carrying capacity of, or could cause damage to, a taxi.

Customer service
- You must offer reasonable assistance with luggage.

Size of vehicle
- The vehicle must incorporate a luggage area of at least 420 litres secured by a guard or cover,
including space capable of accommodating a folded wheelchair. It must be available for luggage
– it must not contain any other unsecured items, or be dirty or damp. The luggage capacity
requirement may be reduced for certain vehicles, such as electric or hybrid vehicles, and it does
not apply to vehicles associated with local area hackney licences.

Refusing a passenger
- A passenger with too much luggage to be carried safely in the interior of the vehicle, or
whose luggage poses a danger to the driver or others;

Handling and transporting luggage and other heavy items
- Many working days are lost because of injuries, including back injuries, caused by incorrect
handling and lifting of heavy or bulky items. As an SPSV driver, you will frequently be asked to
help customers with luggage, and it is worthwhile learning how to do so properly. All SPSV
drivers are recommended to take a manual handling course with a professional organisation.
It is important to consider not only whether you can safely load an item into your vehicle, but
also whether transporting the item presents a potential health and safety risk to you, your
passenger, or others – for example, bulky luggage that cannot be suitably restrained, or that
affects your ability to control the vehicle or to see through the windows.
As an SPSV driver, you may refuse to lift or carry any item that, in your judgement, is liable to
cause injury to yourself or to others.

Did I not say that ?
Title: Re: Driver refused fare because he wouldn't fold down back seat
Post by: watty on May 10, 2023, 07:51:44 pm
Dear John,

I used paragraphs.

Regards,
Watty.
Title: Re: Driver refused fare because he wouldn't fold down back seat
Post by: silverbullet on May 10, 2023, 07:53:32 pm
Dear John,

I used paragraphs.

Regards,
Watty.
rofl
Title: Re: Driver refused fare because he wouldn't fold down back seat
Post by: John m on May 10, 2023, 07:53:57 pm
Dear John,

I used paragraphs.

Regards,
Watty.

Copy and Paste !
Title: Re: Driver refused fare because he wouldn't fold down back seat
Post by: Bubba Ho-Tep on May 11, 2023, 10:49:08 am
All luggage is to be carried in the boot and should not be higher than the parcel shelf if you have one. None in the passenger compartment. You may find your insurance will stipulate same conditions. Using fold down seats make storage insecure.
Is that from an official site Bubba ?
See above.