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Title: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: Rat Catcher on February 16, 2024, 03:47:09 pm
Only €10/year.

https://www.dublinairport.com/b2b/airport-suppliers/taxi-operators/taxi-permit-pre-booked-only (https://www.dublinairport.com/b2b/airport-suppliers/taxi-operators/taxi-permit-pre-booked-only)

The purpose of the Dublin Airport Taxi Permit (Pre-Booked Only) is to grant permission to all drivers who collect a pre-booked fare at Dublin Airport in line with our byelaws:

Acts for which permission is required.

10. Within an airport each of the following is hereby prohibited unless permission has been given by or on behalf of the airport authority:

Use of an airport for any business purpose whatsoever.

This is a permit with restricted permissions, restricting use specifically to pre-booked collections only from any of our Dublin Airport carparks. This permit with special conditions is listed throughout this document as a Taxi Permit (Pre-Booked Only).

 This Taxi Permit (Pre-Booked Only) does not allow you to:

Enter a taxi stand with the intention of plying for hire.
Enter Dublin Airport campus with the intention of plying for hire, including joining of a virtual or digital queue on a taxi app while inside the airport campus.
Pick up a pre-booked fare anywhere other than a carpark within the Dublin Airport campus.
Picking up a fare on Dublin Airport Grounds other than the carparks is not permitted. Below is a map of all carparks that are permitted for drivers to collect a pre-booked fare at Dublin Airport.

You may not accept a Pre-Booked Fare on Dublin Airport Grounds in particular but not limited to; Dublin Airport Road Network; Circle K; McDonalds, Kealys Car Park; ALSAA; Radisson Hotel; Maldron Hotel and the Golf Range currently operated by Halpenny Golf.

Please note that the portal to apply for this Taxi Permit (Pre Booked) will open on the 21st February 2024.

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Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: Octavia1 on February 16, 2024, 04:04:42 pm
Only €10/year.

https://www.dublinairport.com/b2b/airport-suppliers/taxi-operators/taxi-permit-pre-booked-only (https://www.dublinairport.com/b2b/airport-suppliers/taxi-operators/taxi-permit-pre-booked-only)

The purpose of the Dublin Airport Taxi Permit (Pre-Booked Only) is to grant permission to all drivers who collect a pre-booked fare at Dublin Airport in line with our byelaws:

Acts for which permission is required.

10. Within an airport each of the following is hereby prohibited unless permission has been given by or on behalf of the airport authority:

Use of an airport for any business purpose whatsoever.

This is a permit with restricted permissions, restricting use specifically to pre-booked collections only from any of our Dublin Airport carparks. This permit with special conditions is listed throughout this document as a Taxi Permit (Pre-Booked Only).

 This Taxi Permit (Pre-Booked Only) does not allow you to:

Enter a taxi stand with the intention of plying for hire.
Enter Dublin Airport campus with the intention of plying for hire, including joining of a virtual or digital queue on a taxi app while inside the airport campus.
Pick up a pre-booked fare anywhere other than a carpark within the Dublin Airport campus.
Picking up a fare on Dublin Airport Grounds other than the carparks is not permitted. Below is a map of all carparks that are permitted for drivers to collect a pre-booked fare at Dublin Airport.

You may not accept a Pre-Booked Fare on Dublin Airport Grounds in particular but not limited to; Dublin Airport Road Network; Circle K; McDonalds, Kealys Car Park; ALSAA; Radisson Hotel; Maldron Hotel and the Golf Range currently operated by Halpenny Golf.

Please note that the portal to apply for this Taxi Permit (Pre Booked) will open on the 21st February 2024.

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Ther going too far wit this ....I bet ya a tenner it'll be €100 next yer  an € 150 the years after .....they can shuv it up ther shitter .....I'll be collecting me regular at departures as usual
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: Octavia1 on February 16, 2024, 04:09:02 pm
Imagine if taxi drivers had a union wer they said to the airport...." wer stopping pickin up anyone today  till yous  remove all permits  into the airport .....
Theyd fuking drop them all within an hour .......


Yous taxi drivers  ::fds
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: Rat Catcher on February 16, 2024, 04:27:35 pm
It's not what one expected but obviously I should have one for the odd (but often lucrative) Ireland by Taxi job I cover for Roy.

I'm not sure Kealys, the hotels or ALSAA members will be happy as it seems they're not allowed order taxis to their premises anymore but I don't cover any of that work or join virtual queues so those aspects don't impact on my trade.

I guess we'll have to examine the small print to determine if we (or those of us who become permit holders) are allowed patronise Circle K and/or McDonald's. If we are I don't see how enforcement officers can determine whether or not a permit holder is on a virtual queue. They may need to just ban all SPSVs from the entire campus unless there for the purpose of conducting business i.e. picking up or dropping off in accordance with permits held.

Do ewes reckon Free Now will still buy all the advertising they have inside the terminals?
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: mercenary for hire on February 16, 2024, 04:37:41 pm
I dunno what they're thinking except to move the virtual rank further away from the airport irritating shoppers in airside and the workers in the industrial estates on the airport road.

The fact that you still need to pay for parking means they're trying to get us to buy a permit so that they can threaten to remove from us.I'm happy enough to rob when I get out there but it's not my favourite place in the city to work anyway.

Sure they can't even enforce the regulations they have already.The last time they sent me a ticket I put it in the green bin and never heard anything again.
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: Rat Catcher on February 16, 2024, 04:56:11 pm
Fair play to you for using the green bin. DAAs loss is the planet's gain.

Do they have the authority to search vehicles and/or persons for concealed clever telephones and/or do they even have the authority to access personal telephonic devices? ... and/or does becoming a permit holder give them consent (if required) to conduct such searches?
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: Octavia1 on February 16, 2024, 06:17:40 pm
Access your phone ?
 lol
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: Jack Meoff on February 18, 2024, 10:13:38 am
What’s the story if the taxi wasn’t from Dublin
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: John m on February 18, 2024, 11:37:21 am
What’s the story if the taxi wasn’t from Dublin

Use the standard Carpark meet the customer in arrivals walk them to the car .Either way you pay to park for the pick up .
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: Belker on February 19, 2024, 09:54:30 am
What’s the story if the taxi wasn’t from Dublin

Use the standard Carpark meet the customer in arrivals walk them to the car .Either way you pay to park for the pick up .
How much does the standard car park charge John m ?

I know I had to pay €3 to get out of zone 18 after collecting my Mother from DAP last August, I didn't mind as I was adding it on to her bill anyway, she was already getting the 'Family 10% discount' (but with PUC) and no way was I picking up any of her car-park or Toll charges !
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: Belker on February 19, 2024, 10:00:05 am
It's not what one expected but obviously I should have one for the odd (but often lucrative) Ireland by Taxi job I cover for Roy. .....
At a Tenner a year it would be folly not to have one if doing even the occasional 'Roy' job.
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: Rat Catcher on February 19, 2024, 10:32:17 am
What’s the story if the taxi wasn’t from Dublin

Use the standard Carpark meet the customer in arrivals walk them to the car .Either way you pay to park for the pick up .

You need the permit for all car parks as per link in the OP.
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: Bubba Ho-Tep on February 19, 2024, 10:59:42 am
The original permit was £10 back in the day if you weren`t a Fed member .
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: Rat Catcher on February 19, 2024, 11:05:55 am
I didn't know that... but I was with Blue Cabs for much of that (pre-entry liberalisation) period so Fed membership was included in freight. That's when we had the barrier controlled reserved area (that's now exclusively for blue badges) on the ground floor of the T1 (there was only one terminal in those days) short term car park and we didn't have to pay for parking (officially up to 1 hour). After the great strike of 2000 they moved us to the rooftop and shortly (or some time?) afterwards made us pay for parking!

Oh, I had a kesh permit back then as well so that probably covered the pre-booked regime too?
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: Bubba Ho-Tep on February 19, 2024, 11:23:51 am
I didn't know that... but I was with Blue Cabs for much of that (pre-entry liberalisation) period so Fed membership was included in freight. That's when we had the barrier controlled reserved area (that's now exclusively for blue badges) on the ground floor of the T1 (there was only one terminal in those days) short term car park and we didn't have to pay for parking (officially up to 1 hour). After the great strike of 2000 they moved us to the rooftop and shortly (or some time?) afterwards made us pay for parking!

Oh, I had a kesh permit back then as well so that probably covered the pre-booked regime too?
Yep, all the radio cos. with the exception of Metro and then Airport Express were Fed aligned . If you were a non conformist radical, you simply went to the Airport Polis office , showed your docs and paid a tenner for kesh permit.
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: Rat Catcher on February 19, 2024, 11:26:08 am
I think I done that when I was with City Cabs... ended up being one of 2 or 3 City Cabs workers with a kesh permit for that short period!
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: Rat Catcher on February 19, 2024, 12:03:54 pm
I've sought clarification on a few issues - using the form on https://www.dublinairport.com/contact-us/car-parking (https://www.dublinairport.com/contact-us/car-parking) - as follows:

As the owner and operator of a NTA licensed taxi I am considering purchasing a Taxi Permit (Pre-Booked Only) in accordance with regulations referenced on the following link:

https://www.dublinairport.com/b2b/airport-suppliers/taxi-operators/taxi-permit-pre-booked-only (https://www.dublinairport.com/b2b/airport-suppliers/taxi-operators/taxi-permit-pre-booked-only)

However, I find some of the conditions attached quite confusing and, as such, I would be obliged if you could clarify the following:

Is such a permit required regardless of what car park is used or is it specific to any particular car parks?

Assuming the (proposed) ban on taxis joining virtual queues while on Dublin Airport grounds is not abandoned on foot of lobbying on the part of licensed dispatch operator and significant consumer of advertising space within Dublin Airport terminals, Free Now (Licence No. DH12510) - in accordance with it’s expressed intention - will (or do) enforcement officers/agents have the power to
i) seize and/or access smart telephones which may be visible within licensed taxis
ii) search persons and/or vehicles with a view to seizing and/or accessing concealed devices
and would obtaining a permit consent to any such additional powers as may be deemed appropriate to the enforcement of conditions attached to such permits?

Does the (proposed) ban on collecting passengers on foot of pre-bookings from premises including the specified public house and hotels on the Dublin Airport campus extend to all taxis and:
i) if so, have the public house, sports and social club, hotels and other business on the campus been advised that they are not (or will not be) allowed order taxis to collect staff or clients from their premises and do you envisage any impact on road safety either on or off the campus as a result. Potential implications could include encouraging intoxicated clients of hotels to drive themselves or walk around roads / car parks / etc in search of lifts / taxis.
ii) if not, which taxis are or will be permitted to serve such clients i.e. those with or without what permits?

Are the drivers of licensed taxis currently allowed to patronise (retail) businesses on the Dublin Airport campus, in particular (as mentioned within the above link) Circle K and McDonalds and, if so, will that remain the case in respect of both permit holders and non-permit holders.

Your attention to the same is very much appreciated and I look forward to your response.
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: mercenary for hire on February 19, 2024, 12:08:34 pm
Does the DAA own the land at Kealys pub too?
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: Rat Catcher on February 19, 2024, 12:15:41 pm
Kealy's car park is mentioned as a place you can't pick up so I guess they must own the car park at least. Not sure if the ban on taxis from ALSAA extends to the main ALSSA campus or just the swimming pool, probably shoulda asked about that too but I never remember everything these days!

Kealys is a hospitality job on Free Now so, as far as I'm concerned, they can go fuck themselves anyway!
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: mercenary for hire on February 19, 2024, 12:34:05 pm
The management at Airside and all the other surrounding industrial parks will be pissed off.I really don't see what the DAA can do about the taxis just driving around doing laps inside the airport.Unless they change the layout of the airport not too much is going to change.If anything the airport traffic will just get worse for everyone.
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: Rat Catcher on February 19, 2024, 12:44:05 pm
I suppose the dispatch operators should purchase or rent sufficient land sufficiently close to their desired pick up points or run shuttle buses to locations further away. It'd be easy for me to say it doesn't effect me because I don't use (virtual) ranks at DAP but I have observed up to 76 cars parked on the Free Now virtual rank so I guess that equates to 76 cars not competing with me for non DAP work. Conversely, removing or hampering that service will leave DAA with even longer queues at their official stands than is currently the case. A left wing Govt might eventually remedy that by extending deregulation to Dublin Airport.... or the current Minister and/or NTA might just make DAA privatise the official stands e.g. by contracting Free Now to run the entire taxi service at DAP.. In short, it doesn't really bother me regardless of whether it should or not. I'll probably buy a permit but won't get overly upset if it's confiscated because I drop into Circle K or McDonald's or whatever.
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: Horse on February 19, 2024, 02:15:57 pm
What’s the story if the taxi wasn’t from Dublin

Use the standard Carpark meet the customer in arrivals walk them to the car .Either way you pay to park for the pick up .
How much does the standard car park charge John m ?

I know I had to pay €3 to get out of zone 18 after collecting my Mother from DAP last August, I didn't mind as I was adding it on to her bill anyway, she was already getting the 'Family 10% discount' (but with PUC) and no way was I picking up any of her car-park or Toll charges !

Ah here Ken, what the actual fcuk???  :o
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: Horse on February 19, 2024, 02:17:19 pm
I hope your messing, yid have to be. Or rather you BETTER be.
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: watty on February 19, 2024, 02:48:13 pm
@ Horse - He really did charge the woman who gave birth to him a few hundred euro to drive her to Cork.  He wrote about it on here.


Does the (proposed) ban on collecting passengers on foot of pre-bookings from premises including the specified public house and hotels on the Dublin Airport campus extend to all taxis and:
i) if so, have the public house, sports and social club, hotels and other business on the campus been advised that they are not (or will not be) allowed order taxis to collect staff or clients from their premises and do you envisage any impact on road safety either on or off the campus as a result. Potential implications could include encouraging intoxicated clients of hotels to drive themselves or walk around roads / car parks / etc in search of lifts / taxis.
ii) if not, which taxis are or will be permitted to serve such clients i.e. those with or without what permits?


 lol  well spotted, sir!
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: Horse on February 19, 2024, 03:47:35 pm
Nah, I doubt it watts. There is no way any man, taxi driver or not, would charge any member of their family, let alone mothers, for any lift anywhere. Ever. EVER! Nah, he's messing, he has to be.
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: watty on February 19, 2024, 03:55:36 pm
Next time get your mother to fly into Belfast.  Then you can travel from Belfast to Cork without passing a traffic light!  You'll also be able to charge her more
  lol
That would be just plain nasty Watty, the lady is a pensioner after all and doesen't have a whole lot.
The DAP/Cork fare was €555 but I only asked fer €500 with her 10% discount fer her cleaning the cab.
Granted I did start the meter a tad early passing fookin Tallaght on the way up and thinking to myself "When in Rome !".

Maybe he'll come on and say he was spoofing all along?
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: Horse on February 19, 2024, 04:21:56 pm
He'd fcukin want to
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: Belker on February 20, 2024, 06:19:04 am
Next time get your mother to fly into Belfast.  Then you can travel from Belfast to Cork without passing a traffic light!  You'll also be able to charge her more
  lol
That would be just plain nasty Watty, the lady is a pensioner after all and doesen't have a whole lot.
The DAP/Cork fare was €555 but I only asked fer €500 with her 10% discount fer her cleaning the cab.
Granted I did start the meter a tad early passing fookin Tallaght on the way up and thinking to myself "When in Rome !".

I do remember she was a tad miffed when I insisted on cash and had to bring her to an ATM to get it because she was tired after her 10 hour flight from the US and the 2 hour drive home but she did it anyway, and I got No Fookin Tip !!
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: Horse on February 20, 2024, 12:01:03 pm
I'm not talking to you anymore.  You're a hungry bastard pal. Charging your own mother? I mean what the fcuk? Don't talk, comment or even read any threads I'm in. I want nothing to do with you. Un fcuking believable.
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: Horse on February 20, 2024, 12:03:28 pm
Just for reference , does anyone on here charge members of their own family for a lift? Anyone? Any takers? No? Didn't fcuking think so.
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: Horse on February 20, 2024, 12:30:30 pm
I hope you're messing.  I sincerely do.  If not, and you charged your own ma money for a lift well then we have nothing more to say to each other.  You have entered into a whole new level of greed. A level I didn't know existed but you have brought to light. Your own mother? What the fcuk Ken? Did you seriously take money off the woman who gave birth to you Ken? Who reared you? Who did school runs for you, washed your jox, changed your smelly nappies, sat up with you when you were sick, fed you , put a roof over your head, talked and listened to your problems, encouraged you, went to parent teacher meetings for you and what does she get for thanks? A fcuking taxi bill? Un fckjng real man. Holy shit, I can't even begin to believe how fcuking stingy,  mean and greedy that is. You are fcking unreal. Holy shit, I hope I wake up and this is all part of a nasty nightmare I'm having but it's not, it's true, it's fact, you charge your MA for a lift. That's right, your MA, your mother, you hungry cnut.  Fcuking he'll. I'm going back to bed, this is too much. Is no-one else gonna call this crime out? No? Unless yis all charge yisser ma's?
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: Horse on February 20, 2024, 12:35:21 pm
You'll feel the pain when she's dead and gone Ken. You'd pay money to have those hours alone with her and talk and find out how she's doing not sticking your maulers out for cash. I simply cannot get my head around that one. I mean what the fcuk Ken?
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: Horse on February 20, 2024, 12:47:33 pm
You are aptly named. It's all about the cash eh Ken, ya hungry cnut.
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: Horse on February 20, 2024, 03:47:53 pm
Is nobody else gonna mention this crime against humanity? Does anyone else charge their ma for a lift to the doctors? Flooking hope not.
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: vandriver on February 20, 2024, 08:20:37 pm
I put the meter on when I'm taking my kids somewhere,just to show them what they're costing me.
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: silverbullet on February 20, 2024, 08:28:50 pm
I put the meter on when I'm taking my kids somewhere,just to show them what they're costing me.
+1 with the Madra-in-Law.





















Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: Horse on February 20, 2024, 09:00:59 pm
I put the meter on when I'm taking my kids somewhere,just to show them what they're costing me.

Yea but you don't put your hand out looking for money do you. I think it's absolutely shameful to take money from your own mother.  Infact not just shameful but down right disgusting.
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: Belker on February 21, 2024, 07:52:44 am
I put the meter on when I'm taking my kids somewhere,just to show them what they're costing me.

Yea but you don't put your hand out looking for money do you. I think it's absolutely shameful to take money from your own mother.  Infact not just shameful but down right disgusting.
It will be costing her another Tenner the next time if I have to get a DAA permit to pick her up !
Granted it was a tad nasty of me to start the meter early passing Fookin Tallaght on the way up to collect her.  ::fds
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: Horse on February 21, 2024, 09:07:03 am
I'm getting off this site, I can't mix with people who charge their own mothers for a lift. 4 drivers saida much on the poll thread. Unbelievable stuff. Leave yis at it. Adios.
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: Rat Catcher on February 21, 2024, 03:03:47 pm
Got a reply (as follows) which says nothing really. I might have another go when I've studied the FAQ in more detail.

Reply:

Dear Driver,

Daa,the operator of Dublin Airport, will introduce a new permit for taxi drivers on February 21, 2024 which will grant permission for pre-booked fares to collect passengers from any of Dublin Airport’s car parks only.
 
This new permit is separate to the existing taxi permit which allows drivers to pick up from outside of the two terminals at Dublin Airport.
 
The new Dublin Airport Taxi Permit (Pre-Booked Only) will grant permission to all drivers who collect a pre-booked fare at Dublin Airport, from one of our car parks, in compliance with the airport's bye-laws.
 
Each new permit will be valid for one year from the date of issue and at the end of the permit year each driver will have the option to renew if they so wish.
 
The new permit does not allow for the pick-up of passengers by a taxi from anywhere other than than the airport's car parks.
 
Dublin Airport's bye-laws strictly state that no picking up of passengers is allowed anywhere on airport grounds without a valid permit.

Please go to the Dublin airport website and take a look at the FAQ's for any further clarification.

Kind regards, ******
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: silverbullet on February 21, 2024, 03:09:50 pm
Got a reply (as follows) which says nothing really. I might have another go when I've studied the FAQ in more detail.

Reply:

Dear Driver,

Daa,the operator of Dublin Airport, will introduce a new permit for taxi drivers on February 21, 2024 which will grant permission for pre-booked fares to collect passengers from any of Dublin Airport’s car parks only.
 
This new permit is separate to the existing taxi permit which allows drivers to pick up from outside of the two terminals at Dublin Airport.
 
The new Dublin Airport Taxi Permit (Pre-Booked Only) will grant permission to all drivers who collect a pre-booked fare at Dublin Airport, from one of our car parks, in compliance with the airport's bye-laws.
 
Each new permit will be valid for one year from the date of issue and at the end of the permit year each driver will have the option to renew if they so wish.
 
The new permit does not allow for the pick-up of passengers by a taxi from anywhere other than than the airport's car parks.
 
Dublin Airport's bye-laws strictly state that no picking up of passengers is allowed anywhere on airport grounds without a valid permit.

Please go to the Dublin airport website and take a look at the FAQ's for any further clarification.

Kind regards, ******
A driver has to pay €10 for a permit, then a further €1.50+ every time they pick up from Area 51.

Blame the Migrant(s)
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: Rat Catcher on February 21, 2024, 03:16:41 pm
Home grown post-dereg scum was responsible for car park fees on pre-bookings.... introduced on foot of the great strike of 2000, the rationale being that any cunt could get a taxi licence I guess.
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: mercenary for hire on February 21, 2024, 03:23:30 pm
I don't see how the permit will stop those touting.When I come on off a flight the first place I look for a taxi is terminal 2 departures.

If I'm working and I'm number 65 in the virtual rank I'm gonna take a chance and see what I can find off the departures terminal if it looking busy.Without a security barrier and permit check to stop those without permits getting in to Zone 18 nothign has changed except we're all down a tenner.
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: silverbullet on February 21, 2024, 03:27:45 pm
I don't see how the permit will stop those touting.When I come on off a flight the first place I look for a taxi is terminal 2 departures.

If I'm working and I'm number 65 in the virtual rank I'm gonna take a chance and see what I can find off the departures terminal if it looking busy.Without a security barrier and permit check to stop those without permits getting in to Zone 18 nothign has changed except we're all down a tenner.
A tenner from all touts is quite paltry. Graeme McQueen must be planning his retirement.
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: Rat Catcher on February 21, 2024, 03:29:38 pm
If they enforce the ban on virtual ranking it'll play into the touts hands... punters won't wait for the right taxi if there's taximen already there looking for work.
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: Bob Shillin on February 21, 2024, 03:33:22 pm
Got a reply (as follows) which says nothing really. I might have another go when I've studied the FAQ in more detail.

Reply:

Dear Driver,

Daa,the operator of Dublin Airport, will introduce a new permit for taxi drivers on February 21, 2024 which will grant permission for pre-booked fares to collect passengers from any of Dublin Airport’s car parks only.
 
This new permit is separate to the existing taxi permit which allows drivers to pick up from outside of the two terminals at Dublin Airport.
 
The new Dublin Airport Taxi Permit (Pre-Booked Only) will grant permission to all drivers who collect a pre-booked fare at Dublin Airport, from one of our car parks, in compliance with the airport's bye-laws.
 
Each new permit will be valid for one year from the date of issue and at the end of the permit year each driver will have the option to renew if they so wish.
 
The new permit does not allow for the pick-up of passengers by a taxi from anywhere other than than the airport's car parks.
 
Dublin Airport's bye-laws strictly state that no picking up of passengers is allowed anywhere on airport grounds without a valid permit.

Please go to the Dublin airport website and take a look at the FAQ's for any further clarification.

Kind regards, ******
Don't see anything on the Dublin Airport website relating to this, no link.
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: Rat Catcher on February 21, 2024, 03:35:49 pm
Link is in OP.

https://www.dublinairport.com/b2b/airport-suppliers/taxi-operators/taxi-permit-pre-booked-only (https://www.dublinairport.com/b2b/airport-suppliers/taxi-operators/taxi-permit-pre-booked-only)
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: taxi1990 on February 21, 2024, 03:38:22 pm
What’s the story if the taxi wasn’t from Dublin

Use the standard Carpark meet the customer in arrivals walk them to the car .Either way you pay to park for the pick up .

You need the permit for all car parks as per link in the OP.


And what happens if you dont have one  and use the car parks anyway?
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: silverbullet on February 21, 2024, 03:43:56 pm
What’s the story if the taxi wasn’t from Dublin

Use the standard Carpark meet the customer in arrivals walk them to the car .Either way you pay to park for the pick up .

You need the permit for all car parks as per link in the OP.


And what happens if you dont have one  and use the car parks anyway?
Are you given a swipecard to use before you approach the ticket machine into Zone-18?

I think I'd like to approach the barrier at the end of a shift, not be admitted but blocking the place until all the other cabs reverse out into the one-way system to allow me to be on my way. 8)
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: Bob Shillin on February 21, 2024, 03:53:30 pm
Link is in OP.

https://www.dublinairport.com/b2b/airport-suppliers/taxi-operators/taxi-permit-pre-booked-only (https://www.dublinairport.com/b2b/airport-suppliers/taxi-operators/taxi-permit-pre-booked-only)
Thanks, process completed, permit paid, and permit received in 5 minutes total.
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: silverbullet on February 21, 2024, 03:57:02 pm
Link is in OP.

https://www.dublinairport.com/b2b/airport-suppliers/taxi-operators/taxi-permit-pre-booked-only (https://www.dublinairport.com/b2b/airport-suppliers/taxi-operators/taxi-permit-pre-booked-only)
Thanks, process completed, permit paid, and permit received in 5 minutes total.
Your dashboard:


(https://i.postimg.cc/tJLyCLwk/DUFFY.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
 8)
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: Bob Shillin on February 21, 2024, 04:04:39 pm
What’s the story if the taxi wasn’t from Dublin

Use the standard Carpark meet the customer in arrivals walk them to the car .Either way you pay to park for the pick up .
Time it right with the pax coming to the car park, 15 mins free (supposedly, but tighter timing in T1 than T2). I never use zone 18. Slightly more comfortable now with a permit.
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: silverbullet on February 21, 2024, 04:07:23 pm
What’s the story if the taxi wasn’t from Dublin

Use the standard Carpark meet the customer in arrivals walk them to the car .Either way you pay to park for the pick up .
Time it right with the pax coming to the car park, 15 mins free (supposedly, but tighter timing in T1 than T2). I never use zone 18. Slightly more comfortable now with a permit.
The place will be PAKKED.
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: Bob Shillin on February 21, 2024, 04:11:07 pm
What’s the story if the taxi wasn’t from Dublin

Use the standard Carpark meet the customer in arrivals walk them to the car .Either way you pay to park for the pick up .
Add €10 "meet and greet" even for your mother ::clap
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: silverbullet on February 21, 2024, 07:32:57 pm
Link is in OP.

https://www.dublinairport.com/b2b/airport-suppliers/taxi-operators/taxi-permit-pre-booked-only (https://www.dublinairport.com/b2b/airport-suppliers/taxi-operators/taxi-permit-pre-booked-only)
Thanks, process completed, permit paid, and permit received in 5 minutes total.
+1
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: Belker on February 22, 2024, 05:46:50 am
What’s the story if the taxi wasn’t from Dublin

Use the standard Carpark meet the customer in arrivals walk them to the car .Either way you pay to park for the pick up .

You need the permit for all car parks as per link in the OP.


And what happens if you dont have one  and use the car parks anyway?
I'm guessing that if you take your roofie off you can use the car parks ??
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: Bob Shillin on February 22, 2024, 05:56:53 am
Link is in OP.

https://www.dublinairport.com/b2b/airport-suppliers/taxi-operators/taxi-permit-pre-booked-only (https://www.dublinairport.com/b2b/airport-suppliers/taxi-operators/taxi-permit-pre-booked-only)
Thanks, process completed, permit paid, and permit received in 5 minutes total.
Your dashboard:


(https://i.postimg.cc/tJLyCLwk/DUFFY.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
 8)
I don't do app pickups at the airport, just privates.
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: silverbullet on February 23, 2024, 12:05:40 am
Link is in OP.

https://www.dublinairport.com/b2b/airport-suppliers/taxi-operators/taxi-permit-pre-booked-only (https://www.dublinairport.com/b2b/airport-suppliers/taxi-operators/taxi-permit-pre-booked-only)
Thanks, process completed, permit paid, and permit received in 5 minutes total.
Your dashboard:


(https://i.postimg.cc/tJLyCLwk/DUFFY.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
 8)
I don't do app pickups at the airport, just privates.
Like 'Private' Noel O Loughlin from F/T? 8)

 I remember him privatising Foxrock Taxi work and thinking nothing of it.
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: Bubba Ho-Tep on February 23, 2024, 12:23:08 am

Like 'Private' Noel O Loughlin from F/T? 8)

 I remember him privatising Foxrock Taxi work and thinking nothing of it.
Think that`s the lad that dissuaded me from joining FT . He told me he had "captured" return jobs he`d dropped off.
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: silverbullet on February 23, 2024, 12:49:37 am

Like 'Private' Noel O Loughlin from F/T? 8)

 I remember him privatising Foxrock Taxi work and thinking nothing of it.
Think that`s the lad that dissuaded me from joining FT . He told me he had "captured" return jobs he`d dropped off.
He's still in the Kesh 21680 KIA, pity he wasn't! 8)
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: Rat Catcher on February 23, 2024, 11:40:32 am
Had another try, as follows:

Hi ******,

Thank you for your speedy reply.

In accordance with your advice I have spent many hours studying all the FAQs I could find that are or may be relevant to my confusion. However, I am still confused!

As far as enforcement goes it seems that relevant offences (apart from picking up without a permit) are highly unlikely to be detected and even less likely to be proved beyond reasonable doubt in a court of law so I guess it’s fair to conclude that light touch or blind eye enforcement will become the norm.

I do, however, have a more pressing concern which is directly relevant to my deciding whether or not I should purchase one of the new permits. I have an impending booking from a partially sighted disabled retired gentleman from one of the hotels on the Dublin Airport campus. This is a regular client of mine who has arranged a reunion meal - presumably accompanied with alcoholic liquid refreshments - with some of his ex-colleagues. As he is a very particular kind of gentleman with a background in law enforcement I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t want to encourage me or anyone else to break any (bye)laws for his benefit. Perhaps you can advise in simple terms if I am currently permitted (as a non permit holder) to fulfil this booking and if I would be permitted to fulfil the same should I decide to purchase the permit. If I am not permitted in either circumstance I would be obliged if you could advise how the gentleman concerned can go about ordering a taxi to pick him up from the hotel in question.

While of less pressing concern, I would also be obliged if you could clarify:

i) if NTA licensed taxis and/or NTA licenced Limousines are permitted to collect clients from Dublin Airport with or without permits issued by DAA?
ii) if the ban on collecting clients from ALSSA extends to the main ALSSA complex located to the east of the road known as R132 or does it merely apply to the swimming pool and/or other club facilities as may be located within the main campus, taking the main campus being the part located to the west of the road known as R132.
iii) if the ban on collecting fares on DAA property outside of the specified car parks covered by the new permit extends to the car hire return sheds located to the east of the road known as R132.

Your attention to the same is very much appreciated and I look forward to your response.

Kind Regards,

Stephen O’Connell.
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: Bubba Ho-Tep on February 23, 2024, 12:02:23 pm

Like 'Private' Noel O Loughlin from F/T? 8)

 I remember him privatising Foxrock Taxi work and thinking nothing of it.
Think that`s the lad that dissuaded me from joining FT . He told me he had "captured" return jobs he`d dropped off.
He's still in the Kesh 21680 KIA, pity he wasn't! 8)
Yep, same lad.
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: silverbullet on February 23, 2024, 02:11:37 pm
Had another try, as follows:

Hi ******,

Thank you for your speedy reply.

In accordance with your advice I have spent many hours studying all the FAQs I could find that are or may be relevant to my confusion. However, I am still confused!

As far as enforcement goes it seems that relevant offences (apart from picking up without a permit) are highly unlikely to be detected and even less likely to be proved beyond reasonable doubt in a court of law so I guess it’s fair to conclude that light touch or blind eye enforcement will become the norm.

I do, however, have a more pressing concern which is directly relevant to my deciding whether or not I should purchase one of the new permits. I have an impending booking from a partially sighted disabled retired gentleman from one of the hotels on the Dublin Airport campus. This is a regular client of mine who has arranged a reunion meal - presumably accompanied with alcoholic liquid refreshments - with some of his ex-colleagues. As he is a very particular kind of gentleman with a background in law enforcement I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t want to encourage me or anyone else to break any (bye)laws for his benefit. Perhaps you can advise in simple terms if I am currently permitted (as a non permit holder) to fulfil this booking and if I would be permitted to fulfil the same should I decide to purchase the permit. If I am not permitted in either circumstance I would be obliged if you could advise how the gentleman concerned can go about ordering a taxi to pick him up from the hotel in question.

While of less pressing concern, I would also be obliged if you could clarify:

i) if NTA licensed taxis and/or NTA licenced Limousines are permitted to collect clients from Dublin Airport with or without permits issued by DAA?
ii) if the ban on collecting clients from ALSSA extends to the main ALSSA complex located to the east of the road known as R132 or does it merely apply to the swimming pool and/or other club facilities as may be located within the main campus, taking the main campus being the part located to the west of the road known as R132.
iii) if the ban on collecting fares on DAA property outside of the specified car parks covered by the new permit extends to the car hire return sheds located to the east of the road known as R132.

Your attention to the same is very much appreciated and I look forward to your response.

Kind Regards,

Stephen O’Connell.
I can just see a civil servant swatting away your enquiry with all the deftness he can muster before lunch.
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: Rat Catcher on February 23, 2024, 02:37:28 pm
Probably in Kealy's Roadhouse and taking a taxi back!
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: taxi1990 on February 24, 2024, 07:32:17 pm
is this permit in operation yet or what?

has anyone collected from the airport yet without the permit? if so, what happened?
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: taxi1990 on February 25, 2024, 07:00:49 am
PSV number, is this the roof sign number or our taxi driver licence number?
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: watty on February 25, 2024, 07:07:01 am
Roofsign?  In theory a different driver could drive the same taxi into DAP every other day so I reckon it's the roofsign they want to control .
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: Belker on February 25, 2024, 10:04:33 am
Link is in OP.

https://www.dublinairport.com/b2b/airport-suppliers/taxi-operators/taxi-permit-pre-booked-only (https://www.dublinairport.com/b2b/airport-suppliers/taxi-operators/taxi-permit-pre-booked-only)
Thanks, process completed, permit paid, and permit received in 5 minutes total.
@ Bob Shillin, SB, what format is the permit sent as ?
As in by email, text, QR Thingy, or is it basic written paper format ?
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: Belker on February 25, 2024, 10:10:11 am
is this permit in operation yet or what?

has anyone collected from the airport yet without the permit? if so, what happened?
@ 1990, if you have a few collections per annum from DAA then best to just pay the Tenner fer the permit and be done with it, and you can even claim it back in tax expenses.
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: Belker on February 25, 2024, 10:42:26 am
I think that you went a tad overboard Stephen playing the disabled bit and mentioning your clients standing in the community whilst providing no proof of such. I would expect the DAA reply to read quite long but the short of it will be; ONLY PRE APPROVED/PAID 'PRE BOOKED' TAXIES WITH A PERMIT WILL BE ALLOWED TO PICK UP IN THE DAA CAMPUS.

Had another try, as follows:

Hi ******,

Thank you for your speedy reply.

In accordance with your advice I have spent many hours studying all the FAQs I could find that are or may be relevant to my confusion. However, I am still confused!

As far as enforcement goes it seems that relevant offences (apart from picking up without a permit) are highly unlikely to be detected and even less likely to be proved beyond reasonable doubt in a court of law so I guess it’s fair to conclude that light touch or blind eye enforcement will become the norm.

I do, however, have a more pressing concern which is directly relevant to my deciding whether or not I should purchase one of the new permits. I have an impending booking from a partially sighted disabled retired gentleman from one of the hotels on the Dublin Airport campus. This is a regular client of mine who has arranged a reunion meal - presumably accompanied with alcoholic liquid refreshments - with some of his ex-colleagues. As he is a very particular kind of gentleman with a background in law enforcement I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t want to encourage me or anyone else to break any (bye)laws for his benefit. Perhaps you can advise in simple terms if I am currently permitted (as a non permit holder) to fulfil this booking and if I would be permitted to fulfil the same should I decide to purchase the permit. If I am not permitted in either circumstance I would be obliged if you could advise how the gentleman concerned can go about ordering a taxi to pick him up from the hotel in question.

While of less pressing concern, I would also be obliged if you could clarify:

i) if NTA licensed taxis and/or NTA licenced Limousines are permitted to collect clients from Dublin Airport with or without permits issued by DAA?
ii) if the ban on collecting clients from ALSSA extends to the main ALSSA complex located to the east of the road known as R132 or does it merely apply to the swimming pool and/or other club facilities as may be located within the main campus, taking the main campus being the part located to the west of the road known as R132.
iii) if the ban on collecting fares on DAA property outside of the specified car parks covered by the new permit extends to the car hire return sheds located to the east of the road known as R132.

Your attention to the same is very much appreciated and I look forward to your response.

Kind Regards,

Stephen O’Connell.
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: Bubba Ho-Tep on February 25, 2024, 11:24:04 am
I think that you went a tad overboard Stephen playing the disabled bit and mentioning your clients standing in the community whilst providing no proof of such. I would expect the DAA reply to read quite long but the short of it will be; ONLY PRE APPROVED/PAID 'PRE BOOKED' TAXIS WITH A PERMIT WILL BE ALLOWED TO PICK UP IN THE DAA CAMPUS.

Had another try, as follows:

Hi ******,

Thank you for your speedy reply.

In accordance with your advice I have spent many hours studying all the FAQs I could find that are or may be relevant to my confusion. However, I am still confused!

As far as enforcement goes it seems that relevant offences (apart from picking up without a permit) are highly unlikely to be detected and even less likely to be proved beyond reasonable doubt in a court of law so I guess it’s fair to conclude that light touch or blind eye enforcement will become the norm.

I do, however, have a more pressing concern which is directly relevant to my deciding whether or not I should purchase one of the new permits. I have an impending booking from a partially sighted disabled retired gentleman from one of the hotels on the Dublin Airport campus. This is a regular client of mine who has arranged a reunion meal - presumably accompanied with alcoholic liquid refreshments - with some of his ex-colleagues. As he is a very particular kind of gentleman with a background in law enforcement I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t want to encourage me or anyone else to break any (bye)laws for his benefit. Perhaps you can advise in simple terms if I am currently permitted (as a non permit holder) to fulfil this booking and if I would be permitted to fulfil the same should I decide to purchase the permit. If I am not permitted in either circumstance I would be obliged if you could advise how the gentleman concerned can go about ordering a taxi to pick him up from the hotel in question.

While of less pressing concern, I would also be obliged if you could clarify:

i) if NTA licensed taxis and/or NTA licenced Limousines are permitted to collect clients from Dublin Airport with or without permits issued by DAA?
ii) if the ban on collecting clients from ALSSA extends to the main ALSSA complex located to the east of the road known as R132 or does it merely apply to the swimming pool and/or other club facilities as may be located within the main campus, taking the main campus being the part located to the west of the road known as R132.
iii) if the ban on collecting fares on DAA property outside of the specified car parks covered by the new permit extends to the car hire return sheds located to the east of the road known as R132.

Your attention to the same is very much appreciated and I look forward to your response.

Kind Regards,

Stephen O’Connell.

Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: mercenary for hire on February 25, 2024, 01:04:45 pm
I was out there earlier still plenty parked up in the circle K but certainly a few less.I always assume half of the Kesh are in the virtual queues on the apps to make them look longer than they actually are.Unless there's a big enforcement clampdown I can't see anything changing much in the airport.Great scam from the DAA to relieve drivers of a tenner.
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: Rat Catcher on February 25, 2024, 01:46:49 pm
Couldn't help meself Bubba... but I'm sure the gentleman concerned would have no trouble coming out of the shadows ifn Joe Duffy asked him to!

The point really is that you cannot pick up a pre-booking from anywhere other than the car parks under the T&Cs of the new permit. Kealy's car park (back door where the Free Now drivers collect clients, many of whom are DAA staff), the hotels and the ALSSA club are specifically mentioned as places you may not pick up pre-bookings. Neither are you allowed ply or stand for hire within the campus so, technically, it's impossible to serve the hotels, Kealys, ALSSA, etc if you are a permit holder. I daresay, in practice, nobody gives a flying fuck! I have actually picked up an Airport Policeman from the ALSSA main complex. I wonder would if one could argue entrapment if prosecuted in that circumstance?
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: Bob Shillin on February 25, 2024, 04:11:36 pm
Link is in OP.

https://www.dublinairport.com/b2b/airport-suppliers/taxi-operators/taxi-permit-pre-booked-only (https://www.dublinairport.com/b2b/airport-suppliers/taxi-operators/taxi-permit-pre-booked-only)
Thanks, process completed, permit paid, and permit received in 5 minutes total.
@ Bob Shillin, SB, what format is the permit sent as ?
As in by email, text, QR Thingy, or is it basic written paper format ?
Print off a typed letter permit from the site. It has the admin office address on the top, the driver name and address, the expiry date, and a sort of watermark of the number 25 as the expiry also.
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: taxi1990 on February 25, 2024, 04:19:01 pm
Roofsign?  In theory a different driver could drive the same taxi into DAP every other day so I reckon it's the roofsign they want to control .

I put down my roof sign number. was there this morning, Garda checkpoint at arrivals, they stopped me then waved me on, they just checked the non taxi along side me for tax and insurance.
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: silverbullet on February 25, 2024, 06:06:17 pm
Link is in OP.

https://www.dublinairport.com/b2b/airport-suppliers/taxi-operators/taxi-permit-pre-booked-only (https://www.dublinairport.com/b2b/airport-suppliers/taxi-operators/taxi-permit-pre-booked-only)
Thanks, process completed, permit paid, and permit received in 5 minutes total.
@ Bob Shillin, SB, what format is the permit sent as ?
As in by email, text, QR Thingy, or is it basic written paper format ?
Email format so far:
Dear MR.Charming,
Attached please find your new Dublin Airport Taxi permit for the period up to 20th February 2025 based on the
information you supplied in your application.
Permits are strictly non-transferable. Pre-booked Dublin Airport Taxi Permit (Pre Booked) remains the property of
Dublin Airport.
It must be presented to any daa official on request in either a paper or electronic format.
Dublin Airport Taxi Permit (Pre Booked) may be withdrawn if a permit appears to be altered/copied in any way.
A Taxi Permit (Pre Booked) does not carry automatic rights of entry.
Kind Regards
Taxi Administration

PREBOOKED
TAXI PERMIT

MR.B**** ******Y 1***3

EXPIRES END
20/02/2025
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: silverbullet on February 25, 2024, 06:12:25 pm
Couldn't help meself Bubba... but I'm sure the gentleman concerned would have no trouble coming out of the shadows ifn Joe Duffy asked him to!

The point really is that you cannot pick up a pre-booking from anywhere other than the car parks under the T&Cs of the new permit. Kealy's car park (back door where the Free Now drivers collect clients, many of whom are DAA staff), the hotels and the ALSSA club are specifically mentioned as places you may not pick up pre-bookings. Neither are you allowed ply or stand for hire within the campus so, technically, it's impossible to serve the hotels, Kealys, ALSSA, etc if you are a permit holder. I daresay, in practice, nobody gives a flying fuck! I have actually picked up an Airport Policeman from the ALSSA main complex. I wonder would if one could argue entrapment if prosecuted in that circumstance?
Migrant(s)?
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: Belker on February 26, 2024, 07:22:24 am
Link is in OP.

https://www.dublinairport.com/b2b/airport-suppliers/taxi-operators/taxi-permit-pre-booked-only (https://www.dublinairport.com/b2b/airport-suppliers/taxi-operators/taxi-permit-pre-booked-only)
Thanks, process completed, permit paid, and permit received in 5 minutes total.
@ Bob Shillin, SB, what format is the permit sent as ?
As in by email, text, QR Thingy, or is it basic written paper format ?
Print off a typed letter permit from the site. It has the admin office address on the top, the driver name and address, the expiry date, and a sort of watermark of the number 25 as the expiry also.
Thanks Harry and SB   ::cheers
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: Rat Catcher on February 26, 2024, 11:03:05 am
Got another reply (as below) which seems to contradict the T&Cs specified within the link as per OP. However, I'll probably need further clarification when I have a chance to compare and contrast both sets of information... As first glance, however, there seems something of a contradiction in asserting that I can pick up my "friend" on one hand and going on to suggest that pre-bookings from businesses within the campus must be made through a dispatcher. I'm not - and never suggested that I was - a dispatcher... not to mention the obvious misinterpretation in suggesting that my client is my "friend".

Reply 26/02/2024:

Dear Driver,

Thank you for contacting Taxi Administration.

All available information pertaining to Pre-Booked permits, can be found at​ Taxi Permit (Pre-Booked Only) at Dublin Airport
Should you have a different query that is not covered here, please email us again.

Within the next few weeks this will be enforced. Drivers just needed the opportunity to get the permit in advance. There are rules and regulations that must be enforced so we are doing what we need to run the pick up areas effectively.

Yes, if you wish to pick up your friend who has prebooked you in advance to pick him up on the airport grounds then you will be in need of a permit. Here is some information taken from the website.
 "You are only permitted to pick up pre-booked fares at any business, Dublin Airport office, or hotel located on Dublin Airport grounds if the business has arranged the pickup through a dispatcher in advance, you are picking up at the dispatcher request and you possess the necessary permit (pre-booked permit or full taxi rank). It is strictly prohibited to dwell or engage in illegal plying for hire in these areas. Failure to comply will result in the issuance of a fixed penalty notice. "

Yes, all drivers who hold a PSV licence and drivers who make money from providing a pick up service will require this permit. That includes NTA licensed taxis and/or NTA licenced Limousines ​as well as Hackneys and Chauffeurs

This applies to any and all  car parks throughout the whole airport grounds.

If you need any further information please take a further look into the manual and the FAQ's as this is a self serve facility

Kind Regards,
​Taxi Administration.
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: Rat Catcher on February 26, 2024, 11:10:32 am
Interestingly - ifn such things are of interest to you - they have added a handbook to the link in the OP since I last copied it, as attached.

More stuff to read!
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: Bubba Ho-Tep on February 26, 2024, 01:25:24 pm
Couldn't help meself Bubba... but I'm sure the gentleman concerned would have no trouble coming out of the shadows ifn Joe Duffy asked him to!

The point really is that you cannot pick up a pre-booking from anywhere other than the car parks under the T&Cs of the new permit. Kealy's car park (back door where the Free Now drivers collect clients, many of whom are DAA staff), the hotels and the ALSSA club are specifically mentioned as places you may not pick up pre-bookings. Neither are you allowed ply or stand for hire within the campus so, technically, it's impossible to serve the hotels, Kealys, ALSSA, etc if you are a permit holder. I daresay, in practice, nobody gives a flying fuck! I have actually picked up an Airport Policeman from the ALSSA main complex. I wonder would if one could argue entrapment if prosecuted in that circumstance?
Sorry Rat, I corrected TAXIES to TAXIS and forgot to say.
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: watty on February 26, 2024, 03:51:25 pm

...I have an impending booking from a partially sighted disabled retired gentleman from one of the hotels on the Dublin Airport campus. This is a regular client of mine who has arranged a reunion meal - presumably accompanied with alcoholic liquid refreshments - with some of his ex-colleagues. As he is a very particular kind of gentleman with a background in law enforcement I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t want to encourage me or anyone else to break any (bye)laws for his benefit.



Yes, if you wish to pick up your friend who has prebooked you in advance to pick him up on the airport grounds then you will be in need of a permit. Here is some information taken from the website.
 "You are only permitted to pick up pre-booked fares at any business, Dublin Airport office, or hotel located on Dublin Airport grounds if the business has arranged the pickup through a dispatcher in advance, you are picking up at the dispatcher request and you possess the necessary permit (pre-booked permit or full taxi rank). It is strictly prohibited to dwell or engage in illegal plying for hire in these areas. Failure to comply will result in the issuance of a fixed penalty notice. "

Have you told the ex-lawman yet?  I guess he was disappointed but presumably understood the need to obey the (bye-)law.



Yes, all drivers who hold a PSV licence and drivers who make money from providing a pick up service will require this permit. That includes NTA licensed taxis and/or NTA licenced Limousines ​as well as Hackneys and Chauffeurs.  This applies to any and all  car parks throughout the whole airport grounds.

That's an interesting turn of phrase?  Do they mean (mini-)bus drivers or those Polish lads who advertise cheap runs to/from the airport on Facebook?



If you need any further information please take a further look into the manual and the FAQ's as this is a self serve facility

No need to interpret that  lol
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: silverbullet on February 26, 2024, 04:35:14 pm
Couldn't help meself Bubba... but I'm sure the gentleman concerned would have no trouble coming out of the shadows ifn Joe Duffy asked him to!

The point really is that you cannot pick up a pre-booking from anywhere other than the car parks under the T&Cs of the new permit. Kealy's car park (back door where the Free Now drivers collect clients, many of whom are DAA staff), the hotels and the ALSSA club are specifically mentioned as places you may not pick up pre-bookings. Neither are you allowed ply or stand for hire within the campus so, technically, it's impossible to serve the hotels, Kealys, ALSSA, etc if you are a permit holder. I daresay, in practice, nobody gives a flying fuck! I have actually picked up an Airport Policeman from the ALSSA main complex. I wonder would if one could argue entrapment if prosecuted in that circumstance?
Sorry Rat, I corrected TAXIES to TAXIS and forgot to say.
Don't apologise to RC, he quotes ALSSA instead of ALSAA. We all make miskates. 8)
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: Belker on February 27, 2024, 08:06:39 am
Got another reply (as below) which seems to contradict the T&Cs specified within the link as per OP. However, I'll probably need further clarification when I have a chance to compare and contrast both sets of information... As first glance, however, there seems something of a contradiction in asserting that I can pick up my "friend" on one hand and going on to suggest that pre-bookings from businesses within the campus must be made through a dispatcher. I'm not - and never suggested that I was - a dispatcher... not to mention the obvious misinterpretation in suggesting that my client is my "friend".

Reply 26/02/2024:

Dear Driver,

Thank you for contacting Taxi Administration.

All available information pertaining to Pre-Booked permits, can be found at​ Taxi Permit (Pre-Booked Only) at Dublin Airport
Should you have a different query that is not covered here, please email us again.

Within the next few weeks this will be enforced. Drivers just needed the opportunity to get the permit in advance. There are rules and regulations that must be enforced so we are doing what we need to run the pick up areas effectively.

Yes, if you wish to pick up your friend who has prebooked you in advance to pick him up on the airport grounds then you will be in need of a permit. Here is some information taken from the website.
 "You are only permitted to pick up pre-booked fares at any business, Dublin Airport office, or hotel located on Dublin Airport grounds if the business has arranged the pickup through a dispatcher in advance, you are picking up at the dispatcher request and you possess the necessary permit (pre-booked permit or full taxi rank). It is strictly prohibited to dwell or engage in illegal plying for hire in these areas. Failure to comply will result in the issuance of a fixed penalty notice. "

Yes, all drivers who hold a PSV licence and drivers who make money from providing a pick up service will require this permit. That includes NTA licensed taxis and/or NTA licenced Limousines ​as well as Hackneys and Chauffeurs

This applies to any and all  car parks throughout the whole airport grounds.

If you need any further information please take a further look into the manual and the FAQ's as this is a self serve facility

Kind Regards,
​Taxi Administration.

....... I would expect the DAA reply to read quite long but the short of it will be; ONLY PRE APPROVED/PAID 'PRE BOOKED' TAXIES WITH A PERMIT WILL BE ALLOWED TO PICK UP IN THE DAA CAMPUS.
I wasn't too far off the mark !
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: Bubba Ho-Tep on February 27, 2024, 11:37:16 am
Got another reply (as below) which seems to contradict the T&Cs specified within the link as per OP. However, I'll probably need further clarification when I have a chance to compare and contrast both sets of information... As first glance, however, there seems something of a contradiction in asserting that I can pick up my "friend" on one hand and going on to suggest that pre-bookings from businesses within the campus must be made through a dispatcher. I'm not - and never suggested that I was - a dispatcher... not to mention the obvious misinterpretation in suggesting that my client is my "friend".

Reply 26/02/2024:

Dear Driver,

Thank you for contacting Taxi Administration.

All available information pertaining to Pre-Booked permits, can be found at​ Taxi Permit (Pre-Booked Only) at Dublin Airport
Should you have a different query that is not covered here, please email us again.

Within the next few weeks this will be enforced. Drivers just needed the opportunity to get the permit in advance. There are rules and regulations that must be enforced so we are doing what we need to run the pick up areas effectively.

Yes, if you wish to pick up your friend who has prebooked you in advance to pick him up on the airport grounds then you will be in need of a permit. Here is some information taken from the website.
 "You are only permitted to pick up pre-booked fares at any business, Dublin Airport office, or hotel located on Dublin Airport grounds if the business has arranged the pickup through a dispatcher in advance, you are picking up at the dispatcher request and you possess the necessary permit (pre-booked permit or full taxi rank). It is strictly prohibited to dwell or engage in illegal plying for hire in these areas. Failure to comply will result in the issuance of a fixed penalty notice. "

Yes, all drivers who hold a PSV licence and drivers who make money from providing a pick up service will require this permit. That includes NTA licensed taxis and/or NTA licenced Limousines ​as well as Hackneys and Chauffeurs

This applies to any and all  car parks throughout the whole airport grounds.

If you need any further information please take a further look into the manual and the FAQ's as this is a self serve facility

Kind Regards,
​Taxi Administration.

....... I would expect the DAA reply to read quite long but the short of it will be; ONLY PRE APPROVED/PAID 'PRE BOOKED' TAXIES WITH A PERMIT WILL BE ALLOWED TO PICK UP IN THE DAA CAMPUS.
I wasn't too far off the mark !
Nope ,not too far at all, just the added E in TAXIS.
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: silverbullet on February 27, 2024, 02:38:15 pm
I got a  BOLT job from Z18 as I was on my way back in from Swords last night. I drove up to the barrier took my ticket, picked up the punter and off we went.

I imagine they use plate recognition to identify permit holders.

P.S. The passenger was gobsmacked (in Portuguese), that we get charged €1.50 to enter the pick-up point and were gone in a minute.

I tried to explain 'Gouging' Irish style, alas his English wasn't the Mae West.
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: watty on February 27, 2024, 04:08:25 pm
 lol   Google does know everything!

(https://i.ibb.co/sHcxHfq/Gobsmacked.jpg)
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: taxi1990 on February 27, 2024, 05:41:30 pm
I got a  BOLT job from Z18 as I was on my way back in from Swords last night. I drove up to the barrier took my ticket, picked up the punter and off we went.

I imagine they use plate recognition to identify permit holders.

P.S. The passenger was gobsmacked (in Portuguese), that we get charged €1.50 to enter the pick-up point and were gone in a minute.

I tried to explain 'Gouging' Irish style, alas his English wasn't the Mae West.



You should have told him about this to really drive the point home.

https://www.thejournal.ie/cliffs-of-moher-criticism-6160564-Sep2023/ (https://www.thejournal.ie/cliffs-of-moher-criticism-6160564-Sep2023/)
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: silverbullet on February 27, 2024, 07:22:42 pm
I got a  BOLT job from Z18 as I was on my way back in from Swords last night. I drove up to the barrier took my ticket, picked up the punter and off we went.

I imagine they use plate recognition to identify permit holders.

P.S. The passenger was gobsmacked (in Portuguese), that we get charged €1.50 to enter the pick-up point and were gone in a minute.

I tried to explain 'Gouging' Irish style, alas his English wasn't the Mae West.



You should have told him about this to really drive the point home.

https://www.thejournal.ie/cliffs-of-moher-criticism-6160564-Sep2023/ (https://www.thejournal.ie/cliffs-of-moher-criticism-6160564-Sep2023/)
The cliffs were free back in the 90s. The brother was working for Paddy Doherty in The Spa Hotel in Lisdoonvarna.
Afterward, we'd drive up to the cliffs and smoke a doob.

Not a soul around.
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: Shallow Hal on February 27, 2024, 09:33:41 pm
Remember staying in Doolin mid 90's,my next door neighbour back in the old sod was from that neck of the woods,her friend was an O'connor who owned the boozer and B&B we stayed in,took in the cliffs which you could drive up to(on the Africa Twin)....no charge!!
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: vandriver on February 27, 2024, 11:33:50 pm
I was out there earlier still plenty parked up in the circle K but certainly a few less.I always assume half of the Kesh are in the virtual queues on the apps to make them look longer than they actually are.Unless there's a big enforcement clampdown I can't see anything changing much in the airport.Great scam from the DAA to relieve drivers of a tenner.
The Freenow queue kicks you out when you enter the Kesh.
The uber queue doesn't.
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: taxi1990 on February 27, 2024, 11:54:35 pm
I got a  BOLT job from Z18 as I was on my way back in from Swords last night. I drove up to the barrier took my ticket, picked up the punter and off we went.

I imagine they use plate recognition to identify permit holders.

P.S. The passenger was gobsmacked (in Portuguese), that we get charged €1.50 to enter the pick-up point and were gone in a minute.

I tried to explain 'Gouging' Irish style, alas his English wasn't the Mae West.



You should have told him about this to really drive the point home.

https://www.thejournal.ie/cliffs-of-moher-criticism-6160564-Sep2023/ (https://www.thejournal.ie/cliffs-of-moher-criticism-6160564-Sep2023/)
The cliffs were free back in the 90s. The brother was working for Paddy Doherty in The Spa Hotel in Lisdoonvarna.
Afterward, we'd drive up to the cliffs and smoke a doob.

Not a soul around.


is it not free if say you walked there?

I dropped tourists there last summer, we were in the car park and it said something like 14 euro euro per adult, there was 4 of us, so I drove out dropped them to the cliffs entrance and I headed to Doolin to get something to eat, collected them 2 hours later, they told me they didnt have to pay anything. is it not just the car park you have to pay for?

when I saw that headline last summer, that they were charging people to see the sunset, I honestly thought it was just some local chancer who was doing it, not the county council, we should be ashamed of that as a nation, its a disgrace. not a good move for tourism as well.
I was telling ye how the taxis in Barcelona were trying to rip me off and the shop and bar owners etc that kind of thing puts people off visiting a country.
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: silverbullet on February 28, 2024, 06:14:58 pm
Remember staying in Doolin mid 90's,my next door neighbour back in the old sod was from that neck of the woods,her friend was an O'connor who owned the boozer and B&B we stayed in,took in the cliffs which you could drive up to(on the Africa Twin)....no charge!!
Great spot. I stayed in the rooms above O'Connors. Spartan, but grand when all you had to do was fall up the stairs.
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 01, 2024, 09:18:09 am
I think I'll just carry on as normal, Watty. If I'm asked for a permit I'll buy one on the spot, I guess and like Homestore and More say... when it's gone it's gone! I'd say if there's any attempt at enforcement it'll be in Zone 18 which I don't use.

They obviously haven't a clue what they're at. The info page says permit holders can't collect from businesses on the campus whereas the email say you need a permit to cover such jobs!
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: watty on March 01, 2024, 09:23:02 am
Yeah, I guess as usual it will depend on the mood of the 'enforcer' on the ground rather than any written rules.
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: mercenary for hire on March 01, 2024, 09:31:01 am
I have buyer's remorse now that I've given the the DAA a tenner.If I knew there was no tag involved I wouldn't have bought it.I'm only doing a couple of jobs a week out of the airport at most.I hate the queue to get out of Zone 18 and sometimes ya have to in a queue to get in.It's a horrible setup.

I'd say this whole thing is an excercise in data gathering too.Now when it's busy the DAA can text app drivers to tell them there's work in the Airport or they can offer them real permits without going through the apps.
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: silverbullet on March 02, 2024, 12:07:12 am
Friday night at DAP:
Fierce quiet!

(https://i.postimg.cc/VLr6GvRM/DAP.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/9r2CzWsF)
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: taxi1990 on March 02, 2024, 10:12:04 am
I think I'll just carry on as normal, Watty. If I'm asked for a permit I'll buy one on the spot, I guess and like Homestore and More say... when it's gone it's gone! I'd say if there's any attempt at enforcement it'll be in Zone 18 which I don't use.

They obviously haven't a clue what they're at. The info page says permit holders can't collect from businesses on the campus whereas the email say you need a permit to cover such jobs!


Do you do the sane when you get a train, luas or bus? Just buy a ticket when the inspector asks to see your ticket?
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: silverbullet on March 02, 2024, 04:06:11 pm
I think I'll just carry on as normal, Watty. If I'm asked for a permit I'll buy one on the spot, I guess and like Homestore and More say... when it's gone it's gone! I'd say if there's any attempt at enforcement it'll be in Zone 18 which I don't use.

They obviously haven't a clue what they're at. The info page says permit holders can't collect from businesses on the campus whereas the email say you need a permit to cover such jobs!


Do you do the sane when you get a train, luas or bus? Just buy a ticket when the inspector asks to see your ticket?
He opens a bottle of wine while doing the shopping in Tesco, so what do you think? 8)
Title: Re: DAA (Pre-booked) Permit
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 03, 2024, 12:26:04 pm
I think I'll just carry on as normal, Watty. If I'm asked for a permit I'll buy one on the spot, I guess and like Homestore and More say... when it's gone it's gone! I'd say if there's any attempt at enforcement it'll be in Zone 18 which I don't use.

They obviously haven't a clue what they're at. The info page says permit holders can't collect from businesses on the campus whereas the email say you need a permit to cover such jobs!


Do you do the sane when you get a train, luas or bus? Just buy a ticket when the inspector asks to see your ticket?

No. I have a Leap card... I just check the balance before undertaking such a journey and top it up to +€10 if the balance is negative.