DAA (Pre-booked) Permit

[silverbullet]

Link is in OP.

https://www.dublinairport.com/b2b/airport-suppliers/taxi-operators/taxi-permit-pre-booked-only

Thanks, process completed, permit paid, and permit received in 5 minutes total.

@ Bob Shillin, SB, what format is the permit sent as ?
As in by email, text, QR Thingy, or is it basic written paper format ?

Email format so far:
Dear MR.Charming,
Attached please find your new Dublin Airport Taxi permit for the period up to 20th February 2025 based on the
information you supplied in your application.
Permits are strictly non-transferable. Pre-booked Dublin Airport Taxi Permit (Pre Booked) remains the property of
Dublin Airport.
It must be presented to any daa official on request in either a paper or electronic format.
Dublin Airport Taxi Permit (Pre Booked) may be withdrawn if a permit appears to be altered/copied in any way.
A Taxi Permit (Pre Booked) does not carry automatic rights of entry.
Kind Regards
Taxi Administration

PREBOOKED
TAXI PERMIT

MR.B**** ******Y 1***3

EXPIRES END
20/02/2025

[silverbullet]

Couldn't help meself Bubba... but I'm sure the gentleman concerned would have no trouble coming out of the shadows ifn Joe Duffy asked him to!

The point really is that you cannot pick up a pre-booking from anywhere other than the car parks under the T&Cs of the new permit. Kealy's car park (back door where the Free Now drivers collect clients, many of whom are DAA staff), the hotels and the ALSSA club are specifically mentioned as places you may not pick up pre-bookings. Neither are you allowed ply or stand for hire within the campus so, technically, it's impossible to serve the hotels, Kealys, ALSSA, etc if you are a permit holder. I daresay, in practice, nobody gives a flying fuck! I have actually picked up an Airport Policeman from the ALSSA main complex. I wonder would if one could argue entrapment if prosecuted in that circumstance?

Migrant(s)?

[Belker]

Link is in OP.

https://www.dublinairport.com/b2b/airport-suppliers/taxi-operators/taxi-permit-pre-booked-only

Thanks, process completed, permit paid, and permit received in 5 minutes total.

@ Bob Shillin, SB, what format is the permit sent as ?
As in by email, text, QR Thingy, or is it basic written paper format ?

Print off a typed letter permit from the site. It has the admin office address on the top, the driver name and address, the expiry date, and a sort of watermark of the number 25 as the expiry also.

Thanks Harry and SB   

[Rat Catcher]

Got another reply (as below) which seems to contradict the T&Cs specified within the link as per OP. However, I'll probably need further clarification when I have a chance to compare and contrast both sets of information... As first glance, however, there seems something of a contradiction in asserting that I can pick up my "friend" on one hand and going on to suggest that pre-bookings from businesses within the campus must be made through a dispatcher. I'm not - and never suggested that I was - a dispatcher... not to mention the obvious misinterpretation in suggesting that my client is my "friend".

Reply 26/02/2024:

Dear Driver,

Thank you for contacting Taxi Administration.
​
All available information pertaining to Pre-Booked permits, can be found at​ Taxi Permit (Pre-Booked Only) at Dublin Airport
Should you have a different query that is not covered here, please email us again.

Within the next few weeks this will be enforced. Drivers just needed the opportunity to get the permit in advance. There are rules and regulations that must be enforced so we are doing what we need to run the pick up areas effectively.

Yes, if you wish to pick up your friend who has prebooked you in advance to pick him up on the airport grounds then you will be in need of a permit. Here is some information taken from the website.
 "You are only permitted to pick up pre-booked fares at any business, Dublin Airport office, or hotel located on Dublin Airport grounds if the business has arranged the pickup through a dispatcher in advance, you are picking up at the dispatcher request and you possess the necessary permit (pre-booked permit or full taxi rank). It is strictly prohibited to dwell or engage in illegal plying for hire in these areas. Failure to comply will result in the issuance of a fixed penalty notice. "

Yes, all drivers who hold a PSV licence and drivers who make money from providing a pick up service will require this permit. That includes NTA licensed taxis and/or NTA licenced Limousines ​as well as Hackneys and Chauffeurs
​
This applies to any and all  car parks throughout the whole airport grounds.

If you need any further information please take a further look into the manual and the FAQ's as this is a self serve facility

Kind Regards,
​Taxi Administration.

[Rat Catcher]

Interestingly - ifn such things are of interest to you - they have added a handbook to the link in the OP since I last copied it, as attached.

More stuff to read!

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

Couldn't help meself Bubba... but I'm sure the gentleman concerned would have no trouble coming out of the shadows ifn Joe Duffy asked him to!

The point really is that you cannot pick up a pre-booking from anywhere other than the car parks under the T&Cs of the new permit. Kealy's car park (back door where the Free Now drivers collect clients, many of whom are DAA staff), the hotels and the ALSSA club are specifically mentioned as places you may not pick up pre-bookings. Neither are you allowed ply or stand for hire within the campus so, technically, it's impossible to serve the hotels, Kealys, ALSSA, etc if you are a permit holder. I daresay, in practice, nobody gives a flying fuck! I have actually picked up an Airport Policeman from the ALSSA main complex. I wonder would if one could argue entrapment if prosecuted in that circumstance?

Sorry Rat, I corrected TAXIES to TAXIS and forgot to say.

[watty]

...I have an impending booking from a partially sighted disabled retired gentleman from one of the hotels on the Dublin Airport campus. This is a regular client of mine who has arranged a reunion meal - presumably accompanied with alcoholic liquid refreshments - with some of his ex-colleagues. As he is a very particular kind of gentleman with a background in law enforcement I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t want to encourage me or anyone else to break any (bye)laws for his benefit.

Yes, if you wish to pick up your friend who has prebooked you in advance to pick him up on the airport grounds then you will be in need of a permit. Here is some information taken from the website.
 "You are only permitted to pick up pre-booked fares at any business, Dublin Airport office, or hotel located on Dublin Airport grounds if the business has arranged the pickup through a dispatcher in advance, you are picking up at the dispatcher request and you possess the necessary permit (pre-booked permit or full taxi rank). It is strictly prohibited to dwell or engage in illegal plying for hire in these areas. Failure to comply will result in the issuance of a fixed penalty notice. "

Have you told the ex-lawman yet?  I guess he was disappointed but presumably understood the need to obey the (bye-)law.

Yes, all drivers who hold a PSV licence and drivers who make money from providing a pick up service will require this permit. That includes NTA licensed taxis and/or NTA licenced Limousines ​as well as Hackneys and Chauffeurs.  This applies to any and all  car parks throughout the whole airport grounds.

That's an interesting turn of phrase?  Do they mean (mini-)bus drivers or those Polish lads who advertise cheap runs to/from the airport on Facebook?

If you need any further information please take a further look into the manual and the FAQ's as this is a self serve facility

No need to interpret that 

[silverbullet]

Couldn't help meself Bubba... but I'm sure the gentleman concerned would have no trouble coming out of the shadows ifn Joe Duffy asked him to!

The point really is that you cannot pick up a pre-booking from anywhere other than the car parks under the T&Cs of the new permit. Kealy's car park (back door where the Free Now drivers collect clients, many of whom are DAA staff), the hotels and the ALSSA club are specifically mentioned as places you may not pick up pre-bookings. Neither are you allowed ply or stand for hire within the campus so, technically, it's impossible to serve the hotels, Kealys, ALSSA, etc if you are a permit holder. I daresay, in practice, nobody gives a flying fuck! I have actually picked up an Airport Policeman from the ALSSA main complex. I wonder would if one could argue entrapment if prosecuted in that circumstance?

Sorry Rat, I corrected TAXIES to TAXIS and forgot to say.

Don't apologise to RC, he quotes ALSSA instead of ALSAA. We all make miskates.

[Belker]

Got another reply (as below) which seems to contradict the T&Cs specified within the link as per OP. However, I'll probably need further clarification when I have a chance to compare and contrast both sets of information... As first glance, however, there seems something of a contradiction in asserting that I can pick up my "friend" on one hand and going on to suggest that pre-bookings from businesses within the campus must be made through a dispatcher. I'm not - and never suggested that I was - a dispatcher... not to mention the obvious misinterpretation in suggesting that my client is my "friend".

Reply 26/02/2024:

Dear Driver,

Thank you for contacting Taxi Administration.
​
All available information pertaining to Pre-Booked permits, can be found at​ Taxi Permit (Pre-Booked Only) at Dublin Airport
Should you have a different query that is not covered here, please email us again.

Within the next few weeks this will be enforced. Drivers just needed the opportunity to get the permit in advance. There are rules and regulations that must be enforced so we are doing what we need to run the pick up areas effectively.

Yes, if you wish to pick up your friend who has prebooked you in advance to pick him up on the airport grounds then you will be in need of a permit. Here is some information taken from the website.
 "You are only permitted to pick up pre-booked fares at any business, Dublin Airport office, or hotel located on Dublin Airport grounds if the business has arranged the pickup through a dispatcher in advance, you are picking up at the dispatcher request and you possess the necessary permit (pre-booked permit or full taxi rank). It is strictly prohibited to dwell or engage in illegal plying for hire in these areas. Failure to comply will result in the issuance of a fixed penalty notice. "

Yes, all drivers who hold a PSV licence and drivers who make money from providing a pick up service will require this permit. That includes NTA licensed taxis and/or NTA licenced Limousines ​as well as Hackneys and Chauffeurs
​
This applies to any and all  car parks throughout the whole airport grounds.

If you need any further information please take a further look into the manual and the FAQ's as this is a self serve facility

Kind Regards,
​Taxi Administration.

....... I would expect the DAA reply to read quite long but the short of it will be; ONLY PRE APPROVED/PAID 'PRE BOOKED' TAXIES WITH A PERMIT WILL BE ALLOWED TO PICK UP IN THE DAA CAMPUS.

I wasn't too far off the mark !

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

Got another reply (as below) which seems to contradict the T&Cs specified within the link as per OP. However, I'll probably need further clarification when I have a chance to compare and contrast both sets of information... As first glance, however, there seems something of a contradiction in asserting that I can pick up my "friend" on one hand and going on to suggest that pre-bookings from businesses within the campus must be made through a dispatcher. I'm not - and never suggested that I was - a dispatcher... not to mention the obvious misinterpretation in suggesting that my client is my "friend".

Reply 26/02/2024:

Dear Driver,

Thank you for contacting Taxi Administration.
​
All available information pertaining to Pre-Booked permits, can be found at​ Taxi Permit (Pre-Booked Only) at Dublin Airport
Should you have a different query that is not covered here, please email us again.

Within the next few weeks this will be enforced. Drivers just needed the opportunity to get the permit in advance. There are rules and regulations that must be enforced so we are doing what we need to run the pick up areas effectively.

Yes, if you wish to pick up your friend who has prebooked you in advance to pick him up on the airport grounds then you will be in need of a permit. Here is some information taken from the website.
 "You are only permitted to pick up pre-booked fares at any business, Dublin Airport office, or hotel located on Dublin Airport grounds if the business has arranged the pickup through a dispatcher in advance, you are picking up at the dispatcher request and you possess the necessary permit (pre-booked permit or full taxi rank). It is strictly prohibited to dwell or engage in illegal plying for hire in these areas. Failure to comply will result in the issuance of a fixed penalty notice. "

Yes, all drivers who hold a PSV licence and drivers who make money from providing a pick up service will require this permit. That includes NTA licensed taxis and/or NTA licenced Limousines ​as well as Hackneys and Chauffeurs
​
This applies to any and all  car parks throughout the whole airport grounds.

If you need any further information please take a further look into the manual and the FAQ's as this is a self serve facility

Kind Regards,
​Taxi Administration.

....... I would expect the DAA reply to read quite long but the short of it will be; ONLY PRE APPROVED/PAID 'PRE BOOKED' TAXIES WITH A PERMIT WILL BE ALLOWED TO PICK UP IN THE DAA CAMPUS.

I wasn't too far off the mark !

Nope ,not too far at all, just the added E in TAXIS.

[silverbullet]

I got a  BOLT job from Z18 as I was on my way back in from Swords last night. I drove up to the barrier took my ticket, picked up the punter and off we went.

I imagine they use plate recognition to identify permit holders.

P.S. The passenger was gobsmacked (in Portuguese), that we get charged €1.50 to enter the pick-up point and were gone in a minute.

I tried to explain 'Gouging' Irish style, alas his English wasn't the Mae West.

[watty]

    Google does know everything!

[taxi1990]

I got a  BOLT job from Z18 as I was on my way back in from Swords last night. I drove up to the barrier took my ticket, picked up the punter and off we went.

I imagine they use plate recognition to identify permit holders.

P.S. The passenger was gobsmacked (in Portuguese), that we get charged €1.50 to enter the pick-up point and were gone in a minute.

I tried to explain 'Gouging' Irish style, alas his English wasn't the Mae West.

You should have told him about this to really drive the point home.

https://www.thejournal.ie/cliffs-of-moher-criticism-6160564-Sep2023/

[silverbullet]

I got a  BOLT job from Z18 as I was on my way back in from Swords last night. I drove up to the barrier took my ticket, picked up the punter and off we went.

I imagine they use plate recognition to identify permit holders.

P.S. The passenger was gobsmacked (in Portuguese), that we get charged €1.50 to enter the pick-up point and were gone in a minute.

I tried to explain 'Gouging' Irish style, alas his English wasn't the Mae West.

You should have told him about this to really drive the point home.

https://www.thejournal.ie/cliffs-of-moher-criticism-6160564-Sep2023/

The cliffs were free back in the 90s. The brother was working for Paddy Doherty in The Spa Hotel in Lisdoonvarna.
Afterward, we'd drive up to the cliffs and smoke a doob.

Not a soul around.

[Shallow Hal]

Remember staying in Doolin mid 90's,my next door neighbour back in the old sod was from that neck of the woods,her friend was an O'connor who owned the boozer and B&B we stayed in,took in the cliffs which you could drive up to(on the Africa Twin)....no charge!!