Irish Taxi Forum
Public Area => Taxi Talk => Topic started by: john m on September 15, 2017, 04:36:14 pm
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Are we (me included )being unfair to My taxi ...You can log in or log out when you want .Tomorrow I will do 20 jobs and they will give me a bobo of 150 .Rat got a a few Biros and Rolls and a Notebook .I could probably do 20 jobs tonight as well if I wanted to .If they had the PUC I would probably work it full time .Just thinking out loud !!!!!!!!!!
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I agree John, the only thing hold me back is the pick up.
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You know how I love the App lol But if they have the work .I was wondering ..Your sitting on Harcourt Street about 12th in the Q and an App job pops up you normally ignore it but if the PUC was on that job I would take it as it would save me the trouble of waiting .If it was a short hop you still got the PUC to cover the commission and If its a good job then you can offset the commission against the PUC . Im just thinking out loud .
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Maybe you might find it therapeutic to write a list of likes and dislikes about MyTaxi John.....i'll start you off,Likes;bobos...Dislikes;No bobos.
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If I was in charge there would be no Bonusus .I would keep it simple .Job offered job accepted fare paid .Im just wondering In a straight comparison with traditional Dispatch and apps are the Apps as bad as we paint them .This is just a topic for discussion .My perspective no PUC plus commission is an expensive way to cover work but if you only had to pay the commission then the Apps would be very competitive .
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They didn't have to add waiting time either..but they did!!
They've done everything to alienate drivers...with their ambassador, Priority, waiting time,no PUC...opting in for bobos...you name it!!
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They're dangerous, erm... or to be more accurate we're a danger to ourselves and they know how to pull our strings. Vouchers and bonuses are great while they struggle to cover work but essentially they are struggling to cover false demand by driving folk around FOC. As long as we don't think beyond the next fiver that's great, it's putting money in our pockets. However, in the medium term they aim to have taxis available at all times kinda like during the recession and taximen desperate enough to travel for discounted fares at all times, kinda like during the recession but a bit worse.When they meet the medium term objectives the vouchers and bonuses will be consigned to history, commission will increase to 30% and they'll be working on their longer term objectives i.e. replacing us with club cars and eventually autonomous vehicles. Of course, Daimler and Uber are both proponents of rideshare so that may enter the equation at some stage, we'll at least feel threatened if we put up any significant resistance to their quest to dominate our trade.
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If they got rid of the 5 mins waiting, I'd be happy to let go of scrub payments too. Ring the customer when you arrive and judging by the answer you could decide whether to wait or not. Meter goes on after the phone call.
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Rodent A bit like King Kinute we cant hold back the tide of Driverless cars I dont think we will see them in Ireland in our working life .I do take your point about stoking demand with vouchers Sort of we havent got enough drivers to cover work so we created more in the hope that drivers would see all the work we have and want to be part of it . Im just asking how big an issue is the PUC does it stop drivers doing pick ups .AS I said I will chase the work tomorrow because there is a bonus .If there was no bonus but pick up charge then I would be up 40 yoyo to compensate me traveling to the job .I always liken Pick Ups with Ordering a Curry .If you want it delivered you pay the delivery charge if you want to go to the Curry House its cheaper . The Post man even gets paid to bring his service to your door .
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You will chase work tomorrow because there is a bonus. You will chase work on the eve of the 2022 All Ireland final because your family is starving.
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Just going back to the pick up charge, does anybody remember when the extras for luggage was factored into the existing PUC?
If we loose the PUC permanently that means we also lost out on what was left of the extras we used to have for luggage Etc.
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Well here is my thinking .Today there was a suggestion Google are going to invest a Billion in Lyft ,VW have an app called Gett and UBER Haven't Gone Away You Know .The only way those companies can get a foothold in Ireland is to offer a cheaper service so Im thinking should we be thinking of working with Mytaxi to keep the others out .I know in most business scenarios more competition is Good but in the case of the Taxi more competition is bad as the people who will ultimately pay for the competition is us .
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what do they all have in common. They're all run by jews.
Lynk will be bought out soon enough with interest free paper money printed out of thin air.
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Well here is my thinking .Today there was a suggestion Google are going to invest a Billion in Lyft ,VW have an app called Gett and UBER Haven't Gone Away You Know .The only way those companies can get a foothold in Ireland is to offer a cheaper service so Im thinking should we be thinking of working with Mytaxi to keep the others out .I know in most business scenarios more competition is Good but in the case of the Taxi more competition is bad as the people who will ultimately pay for the competition is us .
They havent gone away u know
Uver will try the next government up whoever it is
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You will chase work tomorrow because there is a bonus. You will chase work on the eve of the 2022 All Ireland final because your family is starving.
Biblical, but I tend to agree. Problem is nobody, not even our leaders, know where this will go. I got told by a foreign exec that we have the future kingpin of the EU running the show here now. Funnily enough, a certain ex-Taoiseach near Parnell Park, who saw himself as landed gentry, thought he'd end up being a big star in the old EC too. Bookies spread these rumours if you ask me. 8)
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Once you've switched it off you'll realise how really annoying and distracting the app work is.Mytaxi definitely aren't the way to keep the other apps away.At every stage they've used thier dominance to fuk taxi drivers over.They days are gone when you have an advantage over your mate by using apps.
They can't even cover daytime work anymore.Drivers have moved back to the ranks which are moving nicely and Xmas is coming.No need to be giving them anything while they're refusing to act on drivers demands.
Erm yer sounding really desperate too.Drivers have been asking for years for the same things.If they haven't caved by now then why do ya wanna support them by covering their work?Turn it off and show them ya can't be bought on the one night of the week your taxi is needed most.There was a time when ya didn't need an app to work yer taxi.That was only 5 years ago.
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Merc All Im doing is stirring .But you are forgetting one or Two BIG FACTS ! the customer likes the security and convenience of the Apps and I think they should pay for that with the PUC . The dispatchers have the clients who want to use their service we have the cars to provide that service it seems logical to me that we should try to get the best deal for both of us .
I was talking to a someone that had contact with the NTA and he told me a story .Im not sure of all the details but the jist of it was .When HailO came in here first they did charge the PUC but a complaint was made to the NTA that as the law was written and HailO were not taking Bookings by Phone they could not legally charge the PUC and that is why it was dropped .I know at the Time on Roys we pointed out that bookings had to be made by phone .If that is Correct then HailO didnt dump the PUC by choice they did it to stay in Business and simply told us they were not charging the PUC and if we wanted to cover their work one of the conditions was we couldnt charge it .
So Im just wondering out loud Is HailO /Mytaxi the bad thing that some including me have been painting them .UBER.LYFT .and a lot of other Dispatchers have a total Rideshare agenda and to prevent them getting a foothold Im just wondering on the other end of my keyboard is there strength in numbers and should we try to work with Mytaxi to defend ourselves against others .I posted earlier in this tread ,The more competition in the industry the more drivers will pay for that competition .I know its counter intuitive but we might be better off working with one big beast that running with the heard .Its easier in the long run to kill one lion that a whole heard of Buffalo .
Now BEHAVE before anybody says I must of taken the Mytaxi Bribe of some Biros and Till Rolls and a Notebook to change my mind .(I did tell you the Rodent gave me his note book when he thought it was a 8/12s out of Date Diary but then took it back when he found out it was a notebook )I havent been near the Dungeon .Its just sometimes I remember what me mother use to say .Dont cut off your Nose to spite yourface .
Anyway there you have it DISCUSS DEBATE Im sort of thinking the main problem with Mytaxi is they are a PR disaster they never convinced drivers that they can actually increase your earnings from a little to a lot depending on how much you use it .Im going to chase the bonus 150 today and that made me think why am I wasting time sitting on ranks on a Normal Saturday if there is work available off rank and If I dont do it someone else will that job is never coming to a rank .
Now Im going on Holiday on Monday so fight among yourselves and try not to break the internet .
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If Mytaxi were legaly not allowed to charge the PUC they'd be the first to say they were prohibited by law.It would be a very easy way out of the situation they're in.
Enjoy yer hols.
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If Mytaxi were legaly not allowed to charge the PUC they'd be the first to say they were prohibited by law.It would be a very easy way out of the situation they're in.
Enjoy yer hols.
As I said It is something I heard Third Hand but if its true it puts a different spin on it .It means it wasent them offering the PUC to grow their business it was the NTA who put an end to it .Like I said HailO were a PR Disaster no feedback with drivers .Did I tell you the Rodent went into the Dungeon and got coffee and a welcome pack.Not only did he Get Coffee but somebody in the Dungeon even Instructed him on how to use the Coffee Machine . Unlike the time I went in for training on the app and was told to wait out on the Street they were not ready for us yet
PR is important Merc I wrote to Hailo when they started up and suggested they should have a driver on their board they said they had enough drivers in the office .The Difference between my idea of a driver and theres was the drivers they had in the office were the companies men what I was suggesting was a drivers representative putting forward the drivers point of view not a Unions or Reps point but the Ordinary Brother of the Hired Wheel .If they had of had somebody like me or the Rodent on board Stupidity like the Great Christmas 2014 bonus Debacle would never of been allowed happen we would of said its only two score we dont need the grief and if the reason the PUC was removed was the NTA then we would of gotten that message out .As I said Merc Im just blowing Smoke but it might be an idea to try to have an honest debate and I promise I wont even mention me Christmas 2014 outstanding contested bonus payment of 40 Euro . (twice in one Paragraph)
Its just the BBO or Blatently Bleeding Obvious if there is work to be had on a Drivers Bonus Weekend it must be there all the time so why not cover it especially if something could be done on the PUC .
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Just going back to the pick up charge, does anybody remember when the extras for luggage was factored into the existing PUC?
If we loose the PUC permanently that means we also lost out on what was left of the extras we used to have for luggage Etc.
Luggage charge was factored into starting fare, Wingers.
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I know yer just stirring John but we're being way to nice.If they don't wanna give drivers what they want turn it off.I wouldn't waste anymore time on them.It's a marketing company running a taxi app that's getting on the TAC.If they've no cover they shouldn't have a seat or any influence for that matter.Time to cut the cord.
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If Mytaxi were legaly not allowed to charge the PUC they'd be the first to say they were prohibited by law.It would be a very easy way out of the situation they're in.
Enjoy yer hols.
As I said It is something I heard Third Hand but if its true it puts a different spin on it .It means it wasent them offering the PUC to grow their business it was the NTA who put an end to it .
Don`t think NTA did that. There were dispatch operator yes or no issues alright.
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If`n NTA did order PUC be discarded (highly doubtful) then the PUC charge on hotel work begs a question.
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But bubba....it's not a PUC at the hotels....it's a hospitality charge!!
I suppose you can put lipstick on a pig...but!!
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Remember 1, Look for a safe place. 2. Don't hurry stop and wait.
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But bubba....it's not a PUC at the hotels....it's a hospitality charge!!
I suppose you can put lipstick on a pig...but!!
No hospitality charge on the fare card. If I`m not mistaken, drivers were told to apply the PUC as it would then be given to the hotel as a dropsy hospitality charge.
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I know yer just stirring but we're being way to nice.If they don't wanna give drivers what they want turn it off.I wouldn't waste anymore time on them.It's a marketing company running a taxi app that's getting on the TAC.If they've no cover they shouldn't have a seat or any influence for that matter.Time to cut the cord.
Fair enough Merc I could possibly maybe kindoff be persuaded if the PUC was restored to build my shift around the app I dont think we are being nice I think realism has to play some part they have the work .They are actually listening I just got a SMS confirming that I had Opted In for the next 3 weeks .I wrote to them complaining that there was ambiguity around the Opt In especially if you did not cover the work last week you might not be sure if your log in was successful . FFS listen to meself Im beginning to sound like ..........
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Where ya headed, Johnny?...I hear Ibiza is hoppin' this time of the yr....crazier than Achill.
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Where ya headed, Johnny?...I hear Ibiza is hoppin' this time of the yr....crazier than Achill.
Teneriffe .Now that Space is Closed in Ibiza I wont be Raving ........Mad ...Oh I will just not in Ibiza .
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Lovely spot for the older swinger alright. Great golf too.
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But bubba....it's not a PUC at the hotels....it's a hospitality charge!!
I suppose you can put lipstick on a pig...but!!
No hospitality charge on the fare card. If I`m not mistaken, drivers were told to apply the PUC as it would then be given to the hotel as a dropsy hospitality charge.
I'm surprised the NTA haven't had a word with Hailo/MyTaxi regarding a charge that doesn't exist,maybe someone could drop them a line an enquire,even more surprised the cab co's haven't made some noise given that some maybe all give a lumpsum dropsy to secure their business.
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But bubba....it's not a PUC at the hotels....it's a hospitality charge!!
I suppose you can put lipstick on a pig...but!!
No hospitality charge on the fare card. If I`m not mistaken, drivers were told to apply the PUC as it would then be given to the hotel as a dropsy hospitality charge.
I'm surprised the NTA haven't had a word with Hailo/MyTaxi regarding a charge that doesn't exist,maybe someone could drop them a line an enquire,even more surprised the cab co's haven't made some noise given that some maybe all give a lumpsum dropsy to secure their business.
As you said hal, pig/lipstick.
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But bubba....it's not a PUC at the hotels....it's a hospitality charge!!
I suppose you can put lipstick on a pig...but!!
No hospitality charge on the fare card. If I`m not mistaken, drivers were told to apply the PUC as it would then be given to the hotel as a dropsy hospitality charge.
I'm surprised the NTA haven't had a word with Hailo/MyTaxi regarding a charge that doesn't exist,maybe someone could drop them a line an enquire,even more surprised the cab co's haven't made some noise given that some maybe all give a lumpsum dropsy to secure their business.
You dont have to accept the job but if you do then you tip the hotel .There is no mention of customers tipping drivers and if we should or should not accept tips as they exceed the maximum fare .FFS In=m at it again sticking up for the apps ....I really need a holiday .
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If Mytaxi were legaly not allowed to charge the PUC they'd be the first to say they were prohibited by law.It would be a very easy way out of the situation they're in.
Enjoy yer hols.
As I said It is something I heard Third Hand but if its true it puts a different spin on it .It means it wasent them offering the PUC to grow their business it was the NTA who put an end to it .
Don`t think NTA did that. There were dispatch operator yes or no issues alright.
HOWEVER:
If`n NTA did order PUC be discarded (highly doubtful) then the PUC charge on hotel work begs a question.
As I posted Bubba I got that Info on the PUC third hand so cannot stand over it but Im sure it could be interrogated to see if its true ..Following the logic that it was true In the Review the terms for dispatch were changed to include Apps .Im not sure HailO were operating a PUC on Hotels before the Review Im open to correction .How much of your Freight if your with a Radio Company goes to backhanders its sort of the same but not as obvious as the PPJ model .
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The erm may have a point regardless of his reasoning.
Daimler is one of the biggest proponents of rideshare in the world. In fact it was one of it’s brand CEOs that coined the phrase Airbnb on wheels and mytaxi is the only Dublin firm that employs private hire vehicles to cover taxi work.
NTA had no hand, act or part in Hail0’s decision to discount PUC. I’m sure the erm is well aware of NTAs responses to that question long before Hail0 arrived, in fact one of C2K’s drivers carried a letter from NTA to show clients that complained at being charged PUC from the depot. As Tim Arnold explained to me the policy stemmed from it’s London operation. mytaxi is the only Dublin firm currently offering discounts of up to 36%.
The demand that he concludes must be there all the time is demand that will be there as long as it is subsidised by mytaxi, the subsidies will end when drivers are plentiful and desperate enough to chase discounted work during peak periods regardless of whether those drivers operate Taxis, Hackneys, Limousines, Local Area Hackneys or Rideshare.
Any potential competitor would have to compete for drivers. In the current economic climate any discounts offered to passengers would have to be offered at the firm’s expense a la mytaxi. Obviously having several big players competing for passengers would benefit drivers as the vouchers they throw around end up as cash in drivers’ pockets. The problem arises when one firm wins that battle and dominates the trade.
Given the erm’s expertise - he is Bill Cullen’s go to man for advice on motor trade and IT investment and is frequently called upon to lecture treasury personnel of multinationals in the IT sector on economics - it seems reasonable to ignore reason and accept that we need to back mytaxi, so let’s consider how we can achieve that. I would suggest that the Unions ought to pool their resources and hire the erm to negotiate with mytaxi. Things that could be agreed include increasing commission to 30% with immediate effect, lifting the current temporary moratorium on the issue of saloon plates, reverting to the pre-Kathleen Doyle entrance exam and contracting mytaxi to operate DAA ranks. Why hasn’t anyone thought of this before?
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Just going back to the pick up charge, does anybody remember when the extras for luggage was factored into the existing PUC?
If we loose the PUC permanently that means we also lost out on what was left of the extras we used to have for luggage Etc.
Luggage extras were factored into extra passenger fees - went to €1 from 50c.
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Just going back to the pick up charge, does anybody remember when the extras for luggage was factored into the existing PUC?
If we loose the PUC permanently that means we also lost out on what was left of the extras we used to have for luggage Etc.
Luggage extras were factored into extra passenger fees - went to €1 from 50c.
When they vanished off the fare card ,they were factored into the starting fare Rat.
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The erm may have a point regardless of his reasoning.
Daimler is one of the biggest proponents of rideshare in the world. In fact it was one of it’s brand CEOs that coined the phrase Airbnb on wheels and mytaxi is the only Dublin firm that employs private hire vehicles to cover taxi work.
I know of one taxi company other than mytaxi that uses limos to cover work.
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Who?
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Who?
Can`t prove it, ergo ....
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Aaah, the internet is no place for substance. Take a leaf outta the erm's buke..
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The erm may have a point regardless of his reasoning.
Daimler is one of the biggest proponents of rideshare in the world. In fact it was one of it’s brand CEOs that coined the phrase Airbnb on wheels and mytaxi is the only Dublin firm that employs private hire vehicles to cover taxi work.
NTA had no hand, act or part in Hail0’s decision to discount PUC. I’m sure the erm is well aware of NTAs responses to that question long before Hail0 arrived, in fact one of C2K’s drivers carried a letter from NTA to show clients that complained at being charged PUC from the depot. As Tim Arnold explained to me the policy stemmed from it’s London operation. mytaxi is the only Dublin firm currently offering discounts of up to 36%.
The demand that he concludes must be there all the time is demand that will be there as long as it is subsidised by mytaxi, the subsidies will end when drivers are plentiful and desperate enough to chase discounted work during peak periods regardless of whether those drivers operate Taxis, Hackneys, Limousines, Local Area Hackneys or Rideshare.
Any potential competitor would have to compete for drivers. In the current economic climate any discounts offered to passengers would have to be offered at the firm’s expense a la mytaxi. Obviously having several big players competing for passengers would benefit drivers as the vouchers they throw around end up as cash in drivers’ pockets. The problem arises when one firm wins that battle and dominates the trade.
Given the erm’s expertise - he is Bill Cullen’s go to man for advice on motor trade and IT investment and is frequently called upon to lecture treasury personnel of multinationals in the IT sector on economics - it seems reasonable to ignore reason and accept that we need to back mytaxi, so let’s consider how we can achieve that. I would suggest that the Unions ought to pool their resources and hire the erm to negotiate with mytaxi. Things that could be agreed include increasing commission to 30% with immediate effect, lifting the current temporary moratorium on the issue of saloon plates, reverting to the pre-Kathleen Doyle entrance exam and contracting mytaxi to operate DAA ranks. Why hasn’t anyone thought of this before?
And there you have it .According to the Balbriggan Bellows .We should welcome and support more competition as long as they give out more vouchers to passengers so drivers can mop up those vouchers .I dont know what the Mytaxi policy is or where it was generated all I am saying is I heard from a third Party that the NTA has some direct input into the decision to drop the PUC .I did always wonder why an app provider would jettison the charge that would cost them 24 cent per job .
Typical of the Balbriggan Bellows he ignores what I actually said in support of the reintroduction of the PUC and waffles {The demand that he concludes must be there all the time is demand that will be there as long as it is subsidised by mytaxi, the subsidies will end when drivers are plentiful and desperate enough to chase discounted work during peak periods regardless of whether those drivers operate Taxis, Hackneys, Limousines, Local Area Hackneys or Rideshare.} So Bellows If your getting the PUC and the metered fare ,where is this DISCOUNT WORK you speak of .
To many ringmasters will make Clowns out of us all .I really cannot see any advantage to drivers by hoping that there are lots of competitors in the Industry .The maximum fare is fixed so they dont add any value to the product so the only way they can garner a profit is out of our earnings .If as I propose we think about supporting one app provider .Why would that provider jeprodise their premier position by messing around with their drivers .If there were multi dispatchers offering multi promotions it would lead to all sorts of conflict with drivers and passengers .
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There was no NTA input, it was a corporate decision. Commission was increased by 20% to compensate the firm for commission lost on PUC. The discount work stems from the vouchers mytaxi throw around like confetti at a wedding - the confetti being at the wedding, not necessarily the vouchers. The vouchers and bonuses will cease once the firm achieves it's medium term objective of having cars available at all times. Competition among dispatch operators serves to prevent any single firm dominating the trade.
However, as stated, we must bow to your expertise and get behind mytaxi. We know what it wants, it's told us that much so it's time for us to deliver. The Kathleen Doyle entrance exam must go, last year three mytaxi drivers retired for every driver that passed the test. New drivers will need affordable cars so the temporary moratorium on the issue of saloon plates must go. We must pay the 30% commission that mytaxi aspires to. DAA ranks must be opened to all drivers, mytaxi will facilitate that if contracted to operate DAA ranks at 30% commission.
Did you get your Christmas 2014 bonus yet?
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AH STOPPIT you know I didnt get my Christmas 2014 bonus ......YET ! Did some of the traditional Dispatchers not suggest an apprentice driver system .As I said Rodent I only heard that the NTA had an issue with Apps imposing the PUC I dont know the identity of the informant but it sounder reasonable but if you know it was a corporate decision I have no reason to doubt you .
If I was the Puppett Master in Mount Street I wouldnt give bonus's or vouchers to anybody I would just offer drivers the job .The full fare and the app and offer customers a first class service provided by those drivers .Its so simple it might just work .The Passengers like the convenience of the App and as long as they do drivers will flock to it .So the question is should we embrace it .Taxi drivers will always flock twords the work .Just look at Tomorrow plenty of work in the burbs but drivers will flock to Croker sit in a traffic jam in the hope of getting a job .
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Unfortunately, it's not as simple as you suggest. You seem to be labouring under the misapprehension that Daimler aspires to evolving into a Dublin cab company. It doesn't. Facilitating passengers who want to get taxis is merely a stepping stone to achieving the firm's strategic objective i.e. securing it's place in a motor industry that's focussed on vehicle utilisation rather than provision. If you want to back a firm that just wants to unite taxi drivers and taxi passengers you'd be better advised to back the new Whistle Taxi App as that's what it aspires to do.
How do you suggest we embrace mytaxi or any other firm. In the case of mytaxi, we know what it wants in the short term i.e. more licensed drivers, more licensed taxis, open access to DAA ranks, 30% commission, etc... so how do we go about delivering drivers' commitment to those policies?
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so how do we go about delivering drivers' commitment to those policies?
Bobos!!
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What I mean is, we have scores of Unions... is it as simple as all of them clubbing together to hire the erm as a consultant and letting him deliver some sort of proclamation to Hamburg?
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I think 127% of Drivers would like access to the Port .Whistle is an idea that will never get out of that blokes bedroom .Even you understand that if we dont replace taxi drivers with taxidrivers then the For Hire service will go the same way it did before dereg and be taken over by Limos /Hacks Dont know where you got the figure for 30% commission add other costs like licences fuel insurance car costs to 30% commission the business would be non viable .Anyhoo Im delighted to see you are contributing to the discussion .
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Ermy couldn't deliver pizza...ffs!
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Ermy couldn't deliver pizza...ffs!
Sorry Hal does that mean you are in favour of the proposition or not ?
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Im heading out to box off that ton and a Half bonus might do a few hours tomorrow then off for a week .Now play nice .
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mytaxi already tried to introduce variable commission with rates of up to 30% in Germany but had to reign back a bit when faced with resistance from drivers, erm. As we will be backing the firm we're not going to resist, we must accept that it knows best. Have you considered the logistics, talk is cheap but how will you help the Unions enforce the agreement?
Whistle seems to be the very idea that you are looking for, a taxi app that exists as a taxi app without the need to satisfy a broader strategic agenda.
Getting drivers to agree on the colour of shite would be an ambitious exercise for a team of accomplished diplomats, the prospect of you delivering our consent to Germany only exists in your imagination, it is a theoretical discussion!
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The Gotham script writers should look in here for ideas for E Nigma's character. Riddle me this.................
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