Just wondering

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

But bubba....it's not a PUC at the hotels....it's a hospitality charge!!
I suppose you can put lipstick on a pig...but!!

No hospitality charge on the fare card. If I`m not mistaken, drivers were told to apply the PUC as it would then be given to the hotel as a dropsy hospitality charge.

I'm surprised the NTA haven't had a word with Hailo/MyTaxi regarding a charge that doesn't exist,maybe someone could drop them a line an enquire,even more surprised the cab co's haven't made some noise given that some maybe all give a lumpsum dropsy to secure their business.

As you said hal, pig/lipstick.

[john m]

But bubba....it's not a PUC at the hotels....it's a hospitality charge!!
I suppose you can put lipstick on a pig...but!!

No hospitality charge on the fare card. If I`m not mistaken, drivers were told to apply the PUC as it would then be given to the hotel as a dropsy hospitality charge.

I'm surprised the NTA haven't had a word with Hailo/MyTaxi regarding a charge that doesn't exist,maybe someone could drop them a line an enquire,even more surprised the cab co's haven't made some noise given that some maybe all give a lumpsum dropsy to secure their business.

 You dont have to accept the job but if you do then you tip the hotel .There is no mention of customers tipping drivers and if we should or should not accept tips as they exceed the maximum fare .FFS In=m at it again sticking up for the apps ....I really need a holiday .

[john m]

If Mytaxi were legaly not allowed to charge the PUC they'd be the first to say they were prohibited by law.It would be a very easy way out of the situation they're in.

Enjoy yer hols.

  As I said It is something I heard Third Hand but if its true it puts a different spin on it .It means it wasent them offering the PUC to grow their business it was the NTA who put an end to it .

 

Don`t think NTA did that. There were dispatch operator yes or no issues alright.
HOWEVER:
If`n NTA did order PUC be discarded (highly doubtful)  then the PUC charge on hotel work begs a question.

As I posted Bubba I got that Info on the PUC third hand so cannot stand over it but Im sure it could be interrogated to see if its true ..Following the logic that it was true In the Review the terms for dispatch were changed to include Apps .Im not sure HailO were operating a PUC on Hotels before the Review Im open to correction .How much of your Freight if your with a Radio Company goes to backhanders its sort of the same but not as obvious as the PPJ model .

[Rat Catcher]

The erm may have a point regardless of his reasoning.

Daimler is one of the biggest proponents of rideshare in the world. In fact it was one of it’s brand CEOs that coined the phrase Airbnb on wheels and mytaxi is the only Dublin firm that employs private hire vehicles to cover taxi work.

NTA had no hand, act or part in Hail0’s decision to discount PUC. I’m sure the erm is well aware of NTAs responses to that question long before Hail0 arrived, in fact one of C2K’s drivers carried a letter from NTA to show clients that complained at being charged PUC from the depot. As Tim Arnold explained to me the policy stemmed from it’s London operation. mytaxi is the only Dublin firm currently offering discounts of up to 36%.

The demand that he concludes must be there all the time is demand that will be there as long as it is subsidised by mytaxi, the subsidies will end when drivers are plentiful and desperate enough to chase discounted work during peak periods regardless of whether those drivers operate Taxis, Hackneys, Limousines, Local Area Hackneys or Rideshare.

Any potential competitor would have to compete for drivers. In the current economic climate any discounts offered to passengers would have to be offered at the firm’s expense a la mytaxi. Obviously having several big players competing for passengers would benefit drivers as the vouchers they throw around end up as cash in drivers’ pockets. The problem arises when one firm wins that battle and dominates the trade.

Given the erm’s expertise - he is Bill Cullen’s go to man for advice on motor trade and IT investment and is frequently called upon to lecture treasury personnel of multinationals in the IT sector on economics - it seems reasonable to ignore reason and accept that we need to back mytaxi, so let’s consider how we can achieve that. I would suggest that the Unions ought to pool their resources and hire the erm to negotiate with mytaxi. Things that could be agreed include increasing commission to 30% with immediate effect, lifting the current temporary moratorium on the issue of saloon plates, reverting to the pre-Kathleen Doyle entrance exam and contracting mytaxi to operate DAA ranks. Why hasn’t anyone thought of this before?

[Rat Catcher]

Just going back to the pick up charge, does anybody remember when the extras for luggage was factored into the existing PUC?

If we loose the PUC permanently that means we also lost out on what was left of the extras we used to have for luggage Etc.

Luggage extras were factored into extra passenger fees - went to €1 from 50c.

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

Just going back to the pick up charge, does anybody remember when the extras for luggage was factored into the existing PUC?

If we loose the PUC permanently that means we also lost out on what was left of the extras we used to have for luggage Etc.

Luggage extras were factored into extra passenger fees - went to €1 from 50c.

When they vanished off the fare card ,they were factored into the starting fare Rat.

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

The erm may have a point regardless of his reasoning.

Daimler is one of the biggest proponents of rideshare in the world. In fact it was one of it’s brand CEOs that coined the phrase Airbnb on wheels and mytaxi is the only Dublin firm that employs private hire vehicles to cover taxi work.

I know of one taxi company other than mytaxi that uses limos to cover work.

[Rat Catcher]

Who?

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

Who?

Can`t prove it, ergo ....

[Rat Catcher]

Aaah, the internet is no place for substance. Take a leaf outta the erm's buke..

[john m]

The erm may have a point regardless of his reasoning.

Daimler is one of the biggest proponents of rideshare in the world. In fact it was one of it’s brand CEOs that coined the phrase Airbnb on wheels and mytaxi is the only Dublin firm that employs private hire vehicles to cover taxi work.

NTA had no hand, act or part in Hail0’s decision to discount PUC. I’m sure the erm is well aware of NTAs responses to that question long before Hail0 arrived, in fact one of C2K’s drivers carried a letter from NTA to show clients that complained at being charged PUC from the depot. As Tim Arnold explained to me the policy stemmed from it’s London operation. mytaxi is the only Dublin firm currently offering discounts of up to 36%.

The demand that he concludes must be there all the time is demand that will be there as long as it is subsidised by mytaxi, the subsidies will end when drivers are plentiful and desperate enough to chase discounted work during peak periods regardless of whether those drivers operate Taxis, Hackneys, Limousines, Local Area Hackneys or Rideshare.

Any potential competitor would have to compete for drivers. In the current economic climate any discounts offered to passengers would have to be offered at the firm’s expense a la mytaxi. Obviously having several big players competing for passengers would benefit drivers as the vouchers they throw around end up as cash in drivers’ pockets. The problem arises when one firm wins that battle and dominates the trade.

Given the erm’s expertise - he is Bill Cullen’s go to man for advice on motor trade and IT investment and is frequently called upon to lecture treasury personnel of multinationals in the IT sector on economics - it seems reasonable to ignore reason and accept that we need to back mytaxi, so let’s consider how we can achieve that. I would suggest that the Unions ought to pool their resources and hire the erm to negotiate with mytaxi. Things that could be agreed include increasing commission to 30% with immediate effect, lifting the current temporary moratorium on the issue of saloon plates, reverting to the pre-Kathleen Doyle entrance exam and contracting mytaxi to operate DAA ranks. Why hasn’t anyone thought of this before?

And there you have it .According to the Balbriggan Bellows .We should welcome and support more competition as long as they give out more vouchers to passengers so drivers can mop up those vouchers .I dont know what the Mytaxi policy is or where it was generated all I am saying is I heard from a third Party that the NTA has some direct input into the decision to drop the PUC .I did always wonder why an app provider would jettison the charge that would cost them 24 cent per job .

  Typical of the Balbriggan Bellows he ignores what I actually said in support of the reintroduction of the PUC and waffles {The demand that he concludes must be there all the time is demand that will be there as long as it is subsidised by mytaxi, the subsidies will end when drivers are plentiful and desperate enough to chase discounted work during peak periods regardless of whether those drivers operate Taxis, Hackneys, Limousines, Local Area Hackneys or Rideshare.} So Bellows If your getting the PUC and the metered fare ,where is  this DISCOUNT WORK you speak of .

 To many ringmasters will make Clowns out of us all .I really cannot see any advantage to drivers by hoping that there are lots of competitors in the Industry .The maximum fare is fixed so they dont add any value to the product so the only way they can garner a profit is out of our earnings .If as I propose we think about supporting one app provider .Why would that provider jeprodise their premier position by messing around with their drivers .If there were multi dispatchers offering multi promotions it would lead to all sorts of conflict with drivers and passengers .


 

[Rat Catcher]

There was no NTA input, it was a corporate decision. Commission was increased by 20% to compensate the firm for commission lost on PUC. The discount work stems from the vouchers mytaxi throw around like confetti at a wedding - the confetti being at the wedding, not necessarily the vouchers. The vouchers and bonuses will cease once the firm achieves it's medium term objective of having cars available at all times. Competition among dispatch operators serves to prevent any single firm dominating the trade.

However, as stated, we must bow to your expertise and get behind mytaxi. We know what it wants, it's told us that much so it's time for us to deliver. The Kathleen Doyle entrance exam must go, last year three mytaxi drivers retired for every driver that passed the test. New drivers will need affordable cars so the temporary moratorium on the issue of saloon plates must go. We must pay the 30% commission that mytaxi aspires to. DAA ranks must be opened to all drivers, mytaxi will facilitate that if contracted to operate DAA ranks at 30% commission.

Did you get your Christmas 2014 bonus yet?

[john m]

AH STOPPIT you know I didnt get my Christmas 2014 bonus ......YET ! Did some of the traditional Dispatchers not suggest an apprentice driver system .As I said Rodent I only heard that the NTA had an issue with Apps imposing the PUC I dont know the identity of the informant but it sounder reasonable but if you know it was a corporate decision I have no reason to doubt you .

  If I was the Puppett Master in Mount Street  I wouldnt give bonus's or vouchers to anybody I would just offer drivers the job .The full fare and  the app and offer customers a first class service provided by those drivers .Its so  simple it might just work .The Passengers like the convenience of the App and as long as they do drivers will flock to it .So the question is should we embrace it .Taxi drivers will always flock twords the work .Just look at Tomorrow plenty of work in the burbs but drivers will flock to Croker sit in a traffic jam in the hope of getting a job .

[Rat Catcher]

Unfortunately, it's not as simple as you suggest. You seem to be labouring under the misapprehension that Daimler aspires to evolving into a Dublin cab company. It doesn't. Facilitating passengers who want to get taxis is merely a stepping stone to achieving the firm's strategic objective i.e. securing it's place in a motor industry that's focussed on vehicle utilisation rather than provision. If you want to back a firm that just wants to unite taxi drivers and taxi passengers you'd be better advised to back the new Whistle Taxi App as that's what it aspires to do.

How do you suggest we embrace mytaxi or any other firm. In the case of mytaxi, we know what it wants in the short term i.e. more licensed drivers, more licensed taxis, open access to DAA ranks, 30% commission, etc... so how do we go about delivering drivers' commitment to those policies?

[Shallowhal]

so how do we go about delivering drivers' commitment to those policies?

Bobos!!