Irish Taxi Forum
Public Area => Taxi Talk => Topic started by: john m on October 12, 2017, 12:29:01 pm
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I see Apple Inc just got planning permission for their Data center in Athenry .What they are not telling you this plant will use more electricity than Galway City and the Irish Government have to guarantee supply .So what ? We the Irish people will guarantee Apple a supply of electricity at a fixed price .So if or when Brexit comes in if we import power from the UK we might have to pay an import duty and we the people will pick up the cost . You couldnt make up this shit .
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How many people are expected to be employed there...from construction to when the plant is up n runnning...John?
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Apple announced they are building a Data Centre in Denmark same day they announced Athenry. The judgment is expected to be delivered today by McDermott. Has been delivered as above but several deferrals. Ireland is the perfect hub for tax scams.
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Apple announced they are building a Data Centre in Denmark same day they announced Athenry. The judgment is expected to be delivered today by McDermott. Has been delivered as above but several deferrals. Ireland is the perfect hub for tax scams.
The Danish plant up and running i believe.
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Of course, Hal, the Irish one was a political stall...ask John.
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Ireland done a deal .It agreed that Apple would never run out of Electricity and undertook to guarentee supply at a fixed price .Then there was the objection to the North South Inter connector so Ireland was not in a place to guarentee electricity supply .Now we have another problem BREXIT .If we import power from the North will it carry any import duty if so the Irish Government who have already agreed to supply power for possibly ever at a fixed price will pick up the tab .There are only a few Construction jobs and less than 100 operational jobs involved they will be the most expensive jobs ever subsidised by the state if they go ahead .Then since the original idea was mooted there has been a court case taken in Ireland by a European Citizen who objected to his data which is held on European based servers being shared with the US government this case in now before the ECJ .So expect more appeals to foggy the water until both the Brexit issue and Data Transfer issues are solved .Your local Galway TD can now canvass in the next election telling you how he got the Athenry plant built while looking over the fence at a forest full of trees where nothing has happened but the Local shop keeper publican and school teacher will see this a some sort of future job security while the local farmer sells off a few sites and the local builder builds a few houses for all the new workers that will never come .
This Data center will never be built in Ireland as security is the most important thing and we do not have an Army that could defend such a facility ........Unless we join NATO .
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I believe one complaint that had to be dealt with was from a land owner in Wicklow who lodged a complaint on the grounds that the plant wasn't built on his land!!
You can throw as many ECJ's,NATO,Brexit around like confetti John....but when dealing with shite like i've mentioned...we haven't a fukin hope!!
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I believe one complaint that had to be dealt with was from a land owner in Wicklow who lodged a complaint on the grounds that the plant wasn't built on his land!!
You can throw as many ECJ's,NATO,Brexit around like confetti John....but when dealing with shite like i've mentioned...we haven't a fukin hope!!
Havent a hope of what subsidising one industry over another .If we give Apple subsidized power then we need to subsidies power for every industry .Our idiots never learn .I am taking part in an economic on line forum at the moment and I asked the question does the WAT subsidy represent government aid for taxi drivers to compete against other taxi drivers is it legal .
In discussions I had with the Rodent he believes that the 6% commercial duty on the sale of farmland will be done away with that is the opinion of a lot of people on the economic forum .I say they cannot do that as that would be an illegal subsidy paid to the farming industry over all other industries .Hal Irish Politicians havent learned yet that the Days of the Galway Tent and £20 quid a plate for chicken in a basket meetings with your local TD to get a shovel of tar to fill a pothole are over .That Apple thing was just another stroke in the making I dont think it will happen .
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I asked the question does the WAT subsidy represent government aid for taxi drivers to compete against other taxi drivers is it legal .
The only licences available are for WAT's John,my neighbour(who had a WAT) recently upgraded to a new nearly 40k WAT,even with 10k subsidy...that's a figure none of us will more than likely ever invest in this game,30k will get me another two cars which will probably be me in this game...the yungfellats like MFH can carry the torch!!
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MfH is't a youngfella anymore, I bet he doesn't even hoover the car every 5,000 kilos these days.
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MfH is't a youngfella anymore, I bet he doesn't even hoover the car every 5,000 kilos these days.
He's fukin younger than we'll ever be RC!!
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Only in mind, body and spirit.
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Only in mind, body and spirit.
Fuk's dat?
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Age is a state of mind*. I was thinking of becoming young at heart but it all seemed like too much effort.
*not really, it's a measure of time... the amount of time that has lapsed since birth.
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Age is a state of mind*. I was thinking of becoming young at heart but it all seemed like too much effort.
*not really, it's a measure of time... the amount of time that has lapsed since birth.
I say that every morning when i wake up....but when i try to get up....different story!!
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The hoovering occurences have definitely decreased in the last couple of years...but now that I have to do two suitability tests a year they may have to increase.
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I think you're over reacting.
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Yeah, don't clean it until they tell you to, for fook's sake.
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http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/revealed-data-centres-to-swallow-75pc-of-growth-in-irish-power-demand-36226058.html (http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/revealed-data-centres-to-swallow-75pc-of-growth-in-irish-power-demand-36226058.html)
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The hoovering occurences have definitely decreased in the last couple of years...but now that I have to do two suitability tests a year they may have to increase.
She putting the hammer on ya for a kid?
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Nah the dog is enough.
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Who's gonna take over your taxi empire?
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Some robot that will work it properly..
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Depending on how long it takes to build around 400 jobs in constructing it, then maybe 50 people to keep it running.
Isn’t it supposed to have its own gas generator, or was that Google or Amazon or Microsoft or Facebook.
[url]http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/revealed-data-centres-to-swallow-75pc-of-growth-in-irish-power-demand-36226058.html[/url] ([url]http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/revealed-data-centres-to-swallow-75pc-of-growth-in-irish-power-demand-36226058.html[/url])
This is very misleading. It’ll take 75% of new growth. But only about 20% of all energy.
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The 20% is projected for data centres as a whole within the next decade. Most of that will be in Dublin. It's not a big deal provided it focuses minds on the need to expand generation from renewable sources.
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Absolutely. I'm sure one or two of these companies have said these will use 100% renewable energy to power their datacentres
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If wind energy was so good how come every windmill was replaced by a diesel or electric or steam engine .The real issue is we the Irish state will guarantee a power supply that could mean turning off domestic supply to make sure these data centeres dont go dark .We are also guaranteeing the price they will pay for power .Who said that any Irish person will be employed in the construction or operating of this plant .A great example is look at the LUAS extention in Dublin most of the workers were non Irish and it is run by a French company .What is going on here is the government by guarenteeing the price of the electricity for Apple are just creating a way to subsidize the refund of the 13 billion euro we might get off of them .In simple terms the government are trying to find a different way to gravy Apples train .
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Wind isn't the only renewable energy out there!!!
These data centres don't actually connect to the main grid, they build their own substations and give excess power back to the grid.
They also need their own Uninterupted Power Supply to keep the centres up and running incase of a blackout as 24/7/365 power cannot be guaranteed to anybody or company. The government might be able to guarantee a fixed rate for power but that would have to be looked at every year (im sure a contract states that) and im sure all the other companies could look for that too, not just Apple
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There is no planning for any sub station with that application Vic the government guarentee supply .That was one of the objections the judge dismissed as it did not apply to the permission to actually build so had no bearing on the granting of permission .There is a lot more to this than first meets the eye that is why there are objections .One of the real big ones is how do we protect these buildings from attack in the event of military action we the Irish have no capacity to defend these important data sources .
You heard leo and Mick say they will not go into coalition with SF I think that is the stupitest statement ever made by any politicians .As I posted on Roys IF and I think it will Brexit will lead to serious issues for the Irish Republic .IF there is a border on this island then SF /IRA whos political ethos is for a united 32 county Republic being excluded from government they will see the only way forward is through the rifle not the ballot box as they are being excluded .IF there is a new war it will be between the IRA and the Irish government just like 1922 but this time there may be other dissilusioned Europeans willing to join the Republicans .Now the Irish government have a real problem our armed forces are unable to defend the state so the Irish government might need help we cannot invite in another foreign army but if we join NATO or some united European army then we can invite in our allies to help .You can imagine the pressure that the Yanks on behalf of APPLE will apply on the Irish to join NATO .IF FG win the next election and god forbid get a majority Irish neutrality will be done away with . We are selling our state bit by bit until we look like an ant colony with everybody scurrying around trying to please the big business .Time people woke up before its to late .
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I'm sorry John but you are wrong on a few things.
Have a read of this.
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/apple-given-go-ahead-to-start-850m-data-centre-in-athenry-1.3253502?mode=amp (https://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/apple-given-go-ahead-to-start-850m-data-centre-in-athenry-1.3253502?mode=amp)
**The permission at issue concerned Phase 1, a 23,505sq m single-storey data hall, a logistics and administration centre, ancillary and associated works. The master plan for all phases of the data centre envisaged eight data halls in total plus other development, including an electricity subrstation and 144 standby diesel generators, to be built over 15 years.**
And what if another country decided to bomb these data centres. Within seconds, links would be created to other datacentres worldwide and end users won't know any difference. Its not as if an attack on the centres is an attack on Ireland. Data centres have been here for nearly 10 years and we ain't been attacked yet.
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I'm sorry John but you are wrong on a few things.
That's rather polite, in fact it extends being charitable well beyond the realms of credibility.
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I'm sorry John but you are wrong on a few things.
That's rather polite, in fact it extends being charitable well beyond the realms of credibility.
I'm a nice bloke(really )
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you really must research stuff before you post nonsence Vic ..https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/athenry-residents-seek-to-appeal-decision-over-850m-apple-data-centre-development-36260841.html (https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/athenry-residents-seek-to-appeal-decision-over-850m-apple-data-centre-development-36260841.html)
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you really must research stuff before you post nonsence Vic ..https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/athenry-residents-seek-to-appeal-decision-over-850m-apple-data-centre-development-36260841.html (https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/athenry-residents-seek-to-appeal-decision-over-850m-apple-data-centre-development-36260841.html)
No Erm, you're wrong. You posted that there was nothing in the plans for a substation. I proved that there was.
That link you posted is the same BS that was posted before., they just changed it to look like it just happened when it happened months ago
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Again you know fuck all the application that was granted does not contain any application for a sub station .The application that was granted only refers to one of the data halls .It is invisaged that there will be a sub station but why would they bother when the Irish government is guarenteing the electricity supply and they are looking to site back up generators .But of course you know best me and the ex Attorney General who is representing the applicants pro bono should bow to your greater knowledge .
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https://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/apple-given-go-ahead-to-start-850m-data-centre-in-athenry-1.3253502?mode=amp (https://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/apple-given-go-ahead-to-start-850m-data-centre-in-athenry-1.3253502?mode=amp)
**The permission at issue concerned Phase 1, a 23,505sq m single-storey data hall, a logistics and administration centre, ancillary and associated works. The master plan for all phases of the data centre envisaged eight data halls in total plus other development, including an electricity subrstation and 144 standby diesel generators, to be built over 15 years.**
Easier to just quote my quote.
This is where it says that the substation is in the plans.
YOU still have not shown proof that the government guaranteed power. That's something that could/would never happen as look what happened when OPHELIA hit town, there was blackouts. That's why these places build their own substations and actually give power back to the grid. They also have generators on site incase there is a blackout. UPS devices will only last a few minutes in those places.
But as usual your spout your shite everywhere hoping that someday you will get something right. Just like LAH
Local Area Hackney does not equal RIDESHARE
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C'mon John....you're not using those degrees to their full!!
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you really must research stuff before you post nonsence Vic ..https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/athenry-residents-seek-to-appeal-decision-over-850m-apple-data-centre-development-36260841.html (https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/athenry-residents-seek-to-appeal-decision-over-850m-apple-data-centre-development-36260841.html)
No Erm, you're wrong. You posted that there was nothing in the plans for a substation. I proved that there was.
That link you posted is the same BS that was posted before., they just changed it to look like it just happened when it happened months ago
Read what the MD told the planners about where the power will be generated ..https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/apple-athenry-centre-will-need-more-than-dublins-daily-electricity-supply-hearing-34744102.html (https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/apple-athenry-centre-will-need-more-than-dublins-daily-electricity-supply-hearing-34744102.html)
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Mr Mulcahy said a range of experts would address the concerns. He said while the company was committed to using renewable energy, it was not proposing any generating facilities on site but would be connected to the national grid.
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No MD mentioned in that article John.
Plus that's from May 2016. They've had multiple hearings since then and the planning application hasn't changed
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Speaking of apples.
The bulmers orchard in clonmel
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