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« on: August 01, 2019, 11:29:49 am »
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/court-orders-internet-providers-to-block-illegal-streaming-of-live-football-matches-from-next-month-937093.html

Court orders internet providers to block illegal streaming of live football matches from next month

15/07/2019 - 17:52:32

People who watch live English Premiership football matches on illegal streaming sites on their computers, set top boxes and other devices will find the service blocked when the 2019/20 season kicks off next month following a court order.

Today in the Commercial Court, the Football Association Premier League Ltd was granted Ireland's first ever order compelling internet service providers (ISPs) to block live streaming of matches.

The order is against Eircom/Eir, Sky Ireland, Sky Subscriber Services, Virgin Media Ireland and Vodafone Ireland.

The ISPs were either supportive or neutral over the application, Mr Justice Robert Haughton was told.

Under the order, the content provided by the illegitimate servers or hosts, using streams from legal broadcast outlets, will be targeted in real time for disabling using the latest advances in technology, the court heard. It will be possible to block streams across several platforms and apps "in one blow", the court also heard.

The internet protocol (IP) addresses of the streaming hosts will be updated at least twice during match time so that the blocking can be enabled, Johnathan Newman SC, for the premier league company said. It will be possible to respond "within minutes" to the illegal streaming, he said.

The court heard similar blocking orders were obtained last year in the UK where a court heard the problem of illegal streaming of the games had become ubiquitous.

It was no longer just "a student on his couch with a laptop" as illegal streaming but had become so overwhelming that the bulk of infringements came from people with "set top boxes" plugged into their TV, counsel said. It was such that "perhaps a veneer of respectability" had crept into what was an illegal activity, he said.

In a survey of 2,000 adults, 36 per cent were willing to admit they accessed material they were not entitled to, 19 per cent of whom willingly admitted they accessed Premiership matches this way, counsel said. Some 51 per cent said they didn't feel particularly guilty such is the ubiquity of copyright infringement, he said.

The technology did not allow the identification of end users but the blocking technology was similar to that used when Ireland became the first jurisdiction to enable blocking of copyrighted music and films following a court order, he said.

Part of the order sought contained confidential information which would only be known to the court and the parties involved because if it was disclosed it would enable circumvention of the order, counsel said.

The blocking technology will be stopped after the games have ended and will be reset each week to be able to respond to the changing nature of each infringement, counsel said.

Alleged infringers will also be notified each week and will be required to notify the end users of the order. It will also permit alleged infringers to make application to the court for unblocking should any of their legitimate material be blocked.

Asked by Mr Justice Haughton how effective the blocking orders had been, counsel said academic research showed, in relation to music and film, access to such material had reduced by 90 per cent while the overall rate of piracy (by hosters) had reduced 22 per cent, There had been an increase of six per cent take up of legitimate services like Netflix and ten per cent for the BBC.

One of the effects of this was to "bring to and end the mistaken belief" as to the legitimacy of illegal provision of paid-for streaming, counsel said.

The court heard a confidential exhibit, which is part of the proceedings, was known only to the judge and the parties because its disclosure could allow for circumvention of the order.
Mr Newman said the criteria for obtaining the order was clearly met and there were appropriate safeguards to ensure it did not impact on legitimate use of the internet.

Mr Justice Haughton said he was satisfied to grant the order and he noted from the UK case brought by the Premier League that the judge there said continued illegal streaming undermines the value of of the FA's rights and if unchecked was likely to impact on returns for the football clubs and wider sporting community
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Re: Trouble Ahead?
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2019, 11:39:44 am »
Fuk sakes....c'mon the reds!!

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« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2019, 11:41:26 am »
Not bothered about the soccer myself but will it lead to disruption of all the "premium" channels on IPTV.
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« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2019, 12:15:05 pm »
U watching the ashes .

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« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2019, 12:17:40 pm »
U watching the ashes .

..to Ashes...

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« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2019, 12:18:17 pm »
Believe it or not I was in the process of buying 1 of  these so called boxes last month until I read this article.

Will wait and see now.
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« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2019, 02:44:35 pm »
I am, erm... Woakes and Broad still taking wickets.

If you have an Android device (phone, tablet or TV box) and a Chromecast you could get a cheap IPTV subscription and run it that way instead of buying a box, STC. cccambox.com is worth a look but don't pay more than €35/year... if a higher price is displayed and it doesn't lower as you leave the page set up an account without subscribing and they'll email you an offer at the right price soon enough. Also runs on zGemma boxes, you might have one of them (or similar) lying around if you were a cardshare thief when cardshare worked.... and you can use it across devices provided you only run it on one device at a time or upgrade to multiroom.
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« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2019, 03:01:03 pm »
I am, erm... Woakes and Broad still taking wickets.

If you have an Android device (phone, tablet or TV box) and a Chromecast you could get a cheap IPTV subscription and run it that way instead of buying a box, STC. cccambox.com is worth a look but don't pay more than €35/year... if a higher price is displayed and it doesn't lower as you leave the page set up an account without subscribing and they'll email you an offer at the right price soon enough. Also runs on zGemma boxes, you might have one of them (or similar) lying around if you were a cardshare thief when cardshare worked.... and you can use it across devices provided you only run it on one device at a time or upgrade to multiroom.
Rat How does CCcambox work , do you need a box or a dish or it is streamed to you over the Web ?

Just signed In there and it gives a "risk Free" trial !! depending on the option you want :
€9.99 for 1 Month --- €2.99 per Month for 1 Year   OR €39.99 for Lifetime Subscription
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« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2019, 04:08:59 pm »
I think the lifetime offer is for the CCam service i.e. cardshare. That's no use to you as there's no Sky channels left on it.

Click the IPTV tab. You should get a year for under €40. You can run it on any Android device using the IPTV Extreme. Once you subscribe there are tutorials showing how to set it up across several platforms. If, for example, you use your Android phone you would need a Chromecast to play it on your TV. If you get stuck on it in Android or zGemma gives a shout, I Can write a quick tutorial for you once I refresh my memory on it.

Oh, pay no attention to the money back guarantee, once you buy it you've done your money but it works fine for me on both Android and zGemma devices with my Vodafone Gigabit broadband. Having said that, I don't watch soccer which I would imagine is the highest demand content so can't say how reliable or otherwise it is in that regard.
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« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2019, 04:22:28 pm »
Rat, had a look at the reviews and they not look very good, think I'll pass on this but thanks for your time in explaining
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« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2019, 05:52:51 pm »
Not my cup of tea but would a VPN not get around this?  I think the Opera browser has a free one built-in & Firefox might be introducing one soon?
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« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2019, 12:01:21 pm »
Not if the ISPs block the content. NTHell used to block such content on an ad hoc (at best) basis and a number of UK ISPs are blocking it. I always find it amusing that Sky is among the ISPs mentioned whenever this strategy is proposed. You'd imagine Sky would already be doing all in it's power to stop folk stealing content from Sky. My brother bought his internet from them for a couple of years back in the good old days of cardshare and had no problem stealing all their channels on his connected dodgy box.
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« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2019, 12:11:06 pm »
Rat, had a look at the reviews and they not look very good, think I'll pass on this but thanks for your time in explaining

It's been very good for the last year or so with several streams/channels for each of the premium channels from all over the world. I've actually watched a game of cricket being played a few miles away in Malahide on a Pakistani TV channel! I wasn't happy when I first got it a few years back because Sky just rebranded their sports channels from 1/2/3/etc to content specific channels such as Cricket, Action, Arena, etc and the one the darts was on was missing so I did ask for my money back and, as expected, got nowhere. However, as noted they have everything now a few times over. Another more expensive, less versatile one is IPTV Wizard. I do have the best internet available (Gigabit) though, not sure how much of a difference that makes.
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« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2019, 06:06:20 pm »
Not if the ISPs block the content. NTHell used to block such content on an ad hoc (at best) basis and a number of UK ISPs are blocking it. I always find it amusing that Sky is among the ISPs mentioned whenever this strategy is proposed. You'd imagine Sky would already be doing all in it's power to stop folk stealing content from Sky. My brother bought his internet from them for a couple of years back in the good old days of cardshare and had no problem stealing all their channels on his connected dodgy box.
But if you went through a VPN server in, say Nepal, the ISP would not know what you were up to since the data would be encrypted?  Yea/Nay?
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« Reply #14 on: August 03, 2019, 05:01:52 am »
VPNs are shut down as fast as they crop up..........Amazon Firestick is the way to go.....many sideloads available to keep your channels.

 


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