covid economics

[john m]

What is really going on most cases in Ireland are in Dublin or nursing homes .USA most cases in NY, Texas and California very low rates some States less than 10 cases. Italy ,Spain ,UK loads of cases .Lockdown does and dosent seem to be working .China says they only had 5000 cases as they locked down ,Could be true when you look at the kill rate in California or Texas both bigger populations than Wuhan .Dosent seem to be any logic to how this spreads or who gets it .

When you look at how much money countries have spent in dole and lost tax .Its sort of logical that Trump wants to go back to work .Shop workers in the USA or Customers probably have a better chance of being shot in a hold up than catching the Dizzzeeeze .

How long before Publicans or Restaurants or somebody takes a government to court for preventing them from doing business .How many companies who cannot open their shop are seeing the likes og Amazon grabbing their customers .

I think come 5th May the lockdown will be partially lifted then another 3 weeks till June then .The sums wont add us and everything will be opened up with restrictions on social distancing still being applied in Pubs ,Restaurants ,Sports Stadiums .Im looking at returning to work first week of June unless the virus takes off again and we have big lockdown cant see any chance of earning more than 350 a week after costs before then.


The world will be watching the USA for Trumps big gamble .Will the fever spread when people return to work or not ?

[Rat Catcher]

China's policy was to stop the spread whereas most other countries (Ireland included) elected to slow the spread to build community immunity (whatever that means) by spreading it throughout the population at a manageable rate.

[john m]

North East USA seems to be rampant .States along the border with Canada not effected .Makes you wonder are some states overplaying the Virus to get funds from Federal Government to spend to boost their chances and Trumps chances of re election .



USA numbers state by state ..https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

[Rat Catcher]

There's some areas of Ireland with relatively low rates of infection hence the "Dublin Scum Not Welcome" signs on many roads over the Easter weekend. Obviously, Govt can readily control when those areas are to be infected in line with it's slow spreading policy.

[john m]

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/casesinireland/  County by County numbers for Ireland .

[silverbullet]

China's policy was to stop the spread whereas most other countries (Ireland included) elected to slow the spread to build community immunity (whatever that means) by spreading it throughout the population at a manageable rate.

https://www.cnet.com/news/herd-immunity-what-is-it-and-how-it-can-help-stop-covid-19/

[john m]

Paggo is Panicking he thought the cost of the shutdown would be 3.5 Billion add in loss of tax revenues its going to be nearer 9 billion .I wonder will there be a Crimbo BOBO this year for welfare recipients .

[silverbullet]

Paggo is Panicking he thought the cost of the shutdown would be 3.5 Billion add in loss of tax revenues its going to be nearer 9 billion .I wonder will there be a Crimbo BOBO this year for welfare recipients .

I've noticed a lot of the cabbies currently working are already in receipt of a Government payment, whether it be a pension, disability benefit or FIS.
A neighbour who is 76 years old  is still out giving it welly, despite only having one arm!
Zen and the art of one hand clapping springs to mind!

[dalymount]

I hope Richard Kimble doesn't get him on a free now booking

[john m]

Paggo is Panicking he thought the cost of the shutdown would be 3.5 Billion add in loss of tax revenues its going to be nearer 9 billion .I wonder will there be a Crimbo BOBO this year for welfare recipients .

I've noticed a lot of the cabbies currently working are already in receipt of a Government payment, whether it be a pension, disability benefit or FIS.
A neighbour who is 76 years old  is still out giving it welly, despite only having one arm!
Zen and the art of one hand clapping springs to mind!

You can only get one Social welfare payment .Lads getting carers allowance or pension couldnt claim the Covid cash .I wonder after the lockout is over if there will be Civil service or revenue jobs available to audit recipients .Gov will need to create jobs so an audit to reclaim overpayments seems logical .

[Punter]

LVA  -- Press release @4pm

 Specific Government Support Scheme for Pub Sector Required, if this scenario confirmed
The Licensed Vintners Association (LVA), the representative body for publicans in Dublin, has described the possibility of pubs being unable to reopen until a vaccine for COVID19 is found as the nightmare scenario for the pub sector which will put many out of business for good.

This follows comments made by Minister for Health, Simon Harris TD who told the Sunday Independent, “So I can’t see how people can be in packed pubs again as long as this virus is still with us and we don’t have a vaccine or an effective treatment.” In the same piece, Minister Harris suggested the vaccine or treatment won’t be in place until 2021.

Speaking in reaction to those comments, LVA Chief Executive Donall O’Keeffe said, “That is the absolute nightmare scenario for the entire pub sector. If that happens then most pub businesses in this country will be out of business for good.

“The LVA and its members will absolutely support whatever measures are deemed necessary in the interests of public health, as we have done from the beginning of this crisis, but if closing pubs until 2021 is going to be necessary, then it is essential that a pub specific support scheme is introduced. Otherwise there won’t be a pub industry in this country by the time a vaccine is found.”

“The LVA welcomed the strong Government support for the 50,000 staff laid off as a result of the crisis. This will have to be extended for the duration of the pub closure period. However unless it is supplemented with a specific support scheme to keep the pubs themselves afloat, the staff will have no jobs to return to.

“This is undoubtedly a very difficult time for everyone in this country. While Minister Harris is doing an exceptional job at a time of national crisis, his comments have really petrified the entire pub sector across the country and many are now concerned not only about how to survive this pandemic, but also whether they will still have a business when this crisis eventually passes,” Mr. O’Keeffe concluded.

[dalymount]

I personally hope the pubs never open again.

[Tom]

there was alot of positive signs in the news this morning
like those little signs that are a tell tale signs of the big picture john that you talk about
fuck me
there is a light at the end of the tunnel
90% sure we,re going back may 5 construction thank fuck
alot of positive shit happening in the world today
and as for the second wave this winter
fuck that
we will have a vaccine by then
the hole planet is working on it
image been on that winning horse.....can i have share,s in that please...

[dalymount]

I love a bit of optimism.

[dalymount]

My group and I were scheduled to go on our twice annually retreat to cistersian monks in Mount melleray Abbey in June, but I doubt the Abbey will be reopened by June, ah well there's always July