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While your back was turned
« on: May 08, 2020, 07:08:09 am »
Dublin’s College Green is set to be pedestrianised – and cars restricted throughout the city – under plans to reopen the city centre as Covid-19 restrictions are lifted.

A joint report from Dublin City Council chief executive Owen Keegan and Brendan O’Brien of its traffic department said “the same level of vehicular traffic cannot be accommodated in the city as before”, and in a number of locations “motorised vehicles” would have to banned after 11am each day.

The report describes the proposal as a “temporary mobility plan” which would be introduced over the next three to six months in line with the Government’s road map for reopening society, published last week.

However, it is understood the measures will remain in place for at least 12 to 18 months, with some likely to be retained on a permanent basis.


Some measures already undertaken by the council to increase space and social distancing for pedestrians, including priority setting on traffic lights to guard against footpath queueing, “actually preclude a return to previous high levels of private car use”, the report says.

Last year 46,000 private cars travelled into the city centre during typical morning peak times. By March 31st that figure had dipped to around 14,000. However, the measures prioritising pedestrians at traffic lights would alone mean traffic would have to be reduced by 40 per cent on last year’s levels.

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A council and National Transport Authority working group has been established to oversee the changes. The report said changes may mean removing vehicles after 11am, “ which will assist businesses to reopen by allowing more on-street space for tables and chairs, and also for waiting areas”.

“The temporary closure of College Green and the temporary widening of footpaths along Dame Street would provide space within the city centre for pedestrians, cyclists and for businesses to be facilitated to reopen.”

     

A full report on the range and location of measures which will “reflect the new reality” will be published in the next two weeks. It will also include measures to widen footpaths on the main corridors, provide for cycling, ensure public transport is safe to use and providing increased space for boarding and alighting at bus stops in the city centre.

“The requirements of social distancing, the reduction of emissions and the encouragement of the active modes require that our temporary mobility plan for the city is not based around any increase in private car traffic,” the report said.

“The changes in our traffic light system to assist pedestrians and avoid build ups of pedestrians at crossings actually preclude a return to previous high levels of private car use.”

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/college-green-closure-wider-restrictions-on-cars-planned-for-dublin-1.4247910
« Last Edit: May 08, 2020, 07:11:43 am by john m »

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Re: While your back was turned
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2020, 10:34:41 am »
Good, it'll  be a fantastic

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Re: While your back was turned
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2020, 11:01:07 am »
If at first you don't succeed, try, try, try, try, try, try, try again  ::fds

Next question:  How are the pedestrians gonna get into town?
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Re: While your back was turned
« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2020, 11:07:40 am »
There are plenty of alternative routes across/around the city, I remember the same cries when Grafton street was pedestrianise

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Re: While your back was turned
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2020, 11:20:25 am »
I can't remember the exact number but the number of buses that go through College Green each day is staggering.  When An Bord Planeala knocked them back the last time, they (kinda) laughed at DCC's plan's for re-routing the buses down the quays. 

Or Parliament St, for example.  They wanted to make that a two-way bus lane.  Until it was pointed out that with the narrow street and high buildings, it might be too dangerous for people to walk down the street with the high concentration of toxic fumes from the buses.
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Re: While your back was turned
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2020, 11:33:13 am »
Go to Liverpool and you will be quickly sold on a pedestrianised city centre, particularly if you'd been there before the transformation

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Re: While your back was turned
« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2020, 11:42:45 am »
I can't remember the exact number but the number of buses that go through College Green each day is staggering.

Dublin Bus said they reduced the number of bus services travelling through D'Olier St/College St,Green but unfortunately haven't reduced the number of buses travelling through it at the same time,bus timetables are such that i've personally seen up to 6 buses bumper to bumper almost every time i had to go through that particular corridor,i've avoided it as best i can over the years.

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Re: While your back was turned
« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2020, 12:53:22 pm »
I can't remember the exact number but the number of buses that go through College Green each day is staggering.

Dublin Bus said they reduced the number of bus services travelling through D'Olier St/College St,Green but unfortunately haven't reduced the number of buses travelling through it at the same time,bus timetables are such that i've personally seen up to 6 buses bumper to bumper almost every time i had to go through that particular corridor,i've avoided it as best i can over the years.

Bus connects will have more orbital and less radial routes (more frequent) might solve the issue?

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Re: While your back was turned
« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2020, 04:25:09 pm »
And the greens aren't even in yet!

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Re: While your back was turned
« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2020, 05:37:42 pm »
Did a google search and got this from mid-2019:  Over 1,000 buses travelling east-west across the city will be diverted away from College Green and sent down the quays each day.

Personally, I don't care either way as long as my passengers know about it and don't think I'm trying to scam them.

As a Dubliner, I can't see any advantage in it.  It'll be just another place for the junkies/winos/beggars to hang out/fight and beg off the (don't laugh) 'outdoor diners' eating their dinner in the middle of the street while the warm evening sun beams down on them while they sip their red French wine and eat their Italian pasta.  In the middle of Dublin  ???  ???  ???
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Re: While your back was turned
« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2020, 05:47:17 pm »
be just another place for the junkies/winos/beggars to hang out/fight and beg off the (don't laugh) 'outdoor diners' eating their dinner in the middle of the street while the warm evening sun beams down on them while they sip their red French wine and eat their Italian pasta.  In the middle of Dublin


All with no alcohol while maintaining social distance

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Re: While your back was turned
« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2020, 07:35:18 pm »
It's a wonder there are not more junkies dead or dying. The lungs would be destroyed with the fumes from the tinfoil while smoking Heroin, and worse still from the crack and crystal meth.

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Re: While your back was turned
« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2020, 10:23:15 pm »
Bedlam will insue....at rush time   oops oops oops
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Re: While your back was turned
« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2020, 09:59:22 am »
That was a schhhhnakey one alright,not the usual crowd around to threaten to do anything about it and impossible to argue against if it's labeled as "temporary".

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Re: While your back was turned
« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2020, 11:05:03 am »
Did TTNH not oppose some plan to stop taxis going through there some time ago ? What was the outcome of that objection , I never remember hearing of a conclusion to it

 


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