Thanks John.....but Ken probably thinks it's something only dem homersexuals use...and John is right about the bars i use to frequent in the 80's....Bruxelles,The Palace(Fleet St)...The Suffolk....one of me faves was The Dockers on a Fri night.....U2 sitting in one corner and a shower of couriers in another havin the laff...The Ferryman was another good spot until it got all posh around there.