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Business Interuptus
« on: February 03, 2021, 10:34:54 am »
I asked this before never got an answer .Does our Insurance Policy if you take out accident car replacement only refer clearly in writing that Accident is the only trigger to claim coin .Is it possible to claim if you are otherwise restricted from working you can claim the off road daily rate .Did the Government decide that taxi drivers could return to work to save the insurers .Has anybody got the Long Copy of their Insurance Policy and the EXACT wording of when you can activate that clause .I wonder why the Insurers are facilitating the reduction in taxi cover .

Today, Mr Justice Denis McDonald was asked by FBD's lawyers to delay delivering his judgement to allow submissions be made on a judgment due to be given in an appeal by the UK's Supreme Court.

That appeal relates to the English High Court's ruling in a case where that court was asked to determine if the pandemic should trigger pay-outs to holders of business interruption insurance policies.


What is the terminology in our insurance policy to trigger the Payment is it your business is interrupted and then what follows that ?

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Re: Business Interuptus
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2021, 11:34:35 am »
Plenty of taxis working away.Even seeing the black lads working the Matter rank.That's new to me.

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« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2021, 02:08:47 pm »
Plenty of taxis working away.Even seeing the black lads working the Matter rank.That's new to me.
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« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2021, 04:27:25 pm »
Plenty of taxis working away.Even seeing the black lads working the Matter rank.That's new to me.
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« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2021, 05:24:03 pm »
Plenty of taxis working away.Even seeing the black lads working the Matter rank.That's new to me.
Probably the only place with working people at the moment.

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- New figures today show that 25pc of the labour force are not working when those impacted by the pandemic are included.
- The unemployment rate for young people between 15 and 24 is 56.4pc compared with 21.4pc for those between 25 and 74.
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« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2021, 08:07:04 am »
SAT, 06 FEB, 2021 - 07:30
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A good day for pubs, despite there being none open in which to raise a glass.

The fallout from the High Court deciding that FBD should, indeed, pay insurance to and compensate four pubs over the losses they have incurred due to the disruption caused by the Covid pandemic could be widespread and long-running.

Ultimately it could end up saving the pub trade, which has seen approximately half of its 7,000 premises around the country remain closed since last March, a number go out of business completely, and more than 50,000 of its workers placed on the pandemic unemployment payment scheme.

However, it also may be the tip of the iceberg which Sinn Féin has warned could be the insurance industry’s very own tracker mortgage scandal.
A wave of Covid interruption insurance claims and court cases are expected — regarding many sectors, and involving a range of insurance firms — in the wake of this case.

This was seen as a test case — focusing on the policies of the largest Irish-owned insurer in the State — and, as such, will act as a weighty precedent. The test case categorisation also meant the plaintiffs won’t be saddled with the legal costs; although, depending on who you talk to, there could be a row brewing in this regard too.

It has been estimated that the insurance industry could be hit with an overall Covid business bill of up to €20bn when the dust eventually settles on the pandemic crisis.

This will inevitably raise fears of higher premiums for customers across the board.


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Opposition parties — particularly Sinn Féin and People Before Profit — have said any prospect of insurers making losses this year, due to business disruption claims, should not be used as an excuse to put up premiums.

The full amount FBD will have to pay out to pubs will be determined later this month. FBD said it expects its overall costs to be “well within the range of considered financial outcomes”.

It had set aside €30m to cover losses from the case. However, analysts expect that figure to double at least, now that it has lost.

Either way, it’s bad news for FBD shareholders, as any decision on reinstating their dividend is likely to be put on the backburner probably until next year.

The insurer had planned on paying its shareholders €35m on the back of its 2019 financial performance.

Central Bank's role criticised

However, it has been the Central Bank’s role in all of this that has been perhaps most heavily criticised.

The regulator got it in the neck for not bringing the test case against FBD on behalf of the pubs, in the first place.

This was something the UK financial regulator did in a similar Covid interruption insurance case there, immediately removing stress, risk, and cost for the plaintiffs.

The Central Bank’s reaction was to remind firms to honour valid claims and pay them promptly, adopting a customer-first approach to resolutions. While it didn't bring the case, the regulator did mandate FBD to cover the plantiffs' legal costs, win or lose.

Industry groups such as the Alliance for Insurance Reform and small business representative body Isme have long called for the Central Bank to unburden itself and split its dual macroprudential/financial institution solvency mandate and its consumer protection mandate — to basically police the lenders and insurers, and let someone else care for the consumer.

A call for its consumer protection mandate to be farmed out to the Competition and Consumer Protection Commission has been made before, and is likely to be repeated.

Sinn Féin’s finance spokesman, Pearse Doherty, has asked the Central Bank to launch a formal business interruption insurance examination, similar to the tracker mortgage probe.

For nearly 12 months, Mr Doherty has been warning of the non-payment of valid business interruption claims, due to Covid, becoming Ireland’s newest financial scandal. In fact, he already views it as a scandal.

“The consequences for insurers that refuse or delay payment of valid claims for business interruption should be severe, with strict enforcement and heavy financial sanctions," he said.

"This examination should follow the structure of the tracker mortgage examination, with swift outcomes, strict enforcement, and heavy sanctions for insurer malpractice."

“It is time for the Central Bank to step up to the plate and defend the interests of policyholders.”

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Re: Business Interuptus
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2021, 08:15:18 am »
Ill ask AGAIN does anybody have a Copy of the Terms and Conditions and WORDING of our Income Continuance Policy .Thats the extra policy cover we can pay for to Claim if we are off the road due to an accident .Does it clearly state due to an accident or does it state unable to work or what .I know we can claim for a replacement car or lost earnings .Just wondering what the actual wording is for Lost earnings .Publicans won their case on the Wording Im sure other Insured Industries will be reviewing the actual Wording of their Policies as well .

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« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2021, 10:14:20 am »
Ill ask AGAIN does anybody have a Copy of the Terms and Conditions and WORDING of our Income Continuance Policy .Thats the extra policy cover we can pay for to Claim if we are off the road due to an accident .Does it clearly state due to an accident or does it state unable to work or what .I know we can claim for a replacement car or lost earnings .Just wondering what the actual wording is for Lost earnings .Publicans won their case on the Wording Im sure other Insured Industries will be reviewing the actual Wording of their Policies as well .
Surely the taxi unions and fleet owners would looking into this. We’ll hear soon


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« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2021, 10:50:41 am »
Stupid thread anyway.Even if there was some miracle where your insurance to drive covered your earnings they'd be looking for tax returns to prove earnings.

So you'd be looking for compo on top of your covid payment.That's just greedy IMO.

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« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2021, 10:55:23 am »
Wat they gonna doo Johnny....back date us 100 quid a day for nearly a year  ???
They've takin out of   me   account of over 2000 even do I kept my part of the bargain an phoned them at the end of each month .....
Every time I phoned they say ...." oh our taxi section is busy or unavailable rite now I'll leave them a message  yur not working an theyll put yu down as private an domestic.....
Thanks that's lovely.....
Then they take 250 out me account.....I've emptied so they cant take anymore an they havnt contact me yet .....
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« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2021, 11:11:27 am »
Stupid thread anyway.Even if there was some miracle where your insurance to drive covered your earnings they'd be looking for tax returns to prove earnings.

So you'd be looking for compo on top of your covid payment.That's just greedy IMO.

I dont know Merch when I changed from Alliance to AXA they sent me a 5 or 6 page policy document Now I only get a renewal cert .I cant find the original .Included in the policy was NCB insurance and taxi meter and sign and then I think it was accident /Off the Road insurance I paid for .Im just wondering what was the wording of income protection .The insurance companies wont be contacting us unless we ask .It seems its not only those Pubs that had protection some restaurants and takeaways had the same provision written into their policies and they didnt know about it as the broker just added it in and charged for it .FBD have put aside about 30 Million to cover the losses they didnt reinsure with somebody else .The pubs will be assessed when the judges and accountants come up with an average or Quantum .Im sure pubs will be made an offer and if they dissagree they can go to court and appeal at their own expense .

  Chances are we are not covered but you never know what the legealeeze used when writing policies might mean in a court .

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« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2021, 11:14:29 am »
Think FBD and others will argue every case to lower payouts...Think premiums will increase all round for balance sheet purposes...Like FBD will  inrease car premiums bysmall% and business premiums by % of claims made..We all pay.It was all our fault
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« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2021, 11:21:52 am »
Think FBD and others will argue every case to lower payouts...Think premiums will increase all round for balance sheet purposes...Like FBD will  inrease car premiums bysmall% and business premiums by % of claims made..We all pay.It was all our fault

Of course but as FBD insure most farmers im Sure the Farmers will get some sort of insurance grant .At the moment Publicans are getting Covid Coin and Income help for staff and compo from the Government .Doing better than we are .No compo for our business only PUP .

Im sure FBD will try to reduce payments for Pubs that could serve outside or serve food saying they were not effected .Or cut payments to publicans that altered their insurance when they were closed by removing public liability cover or injury .As I asked why were insurers so willing to let us change from Taxi to Private insurance .What part and cover did we abandon .Could insurers say the original policy no longer applies as you changed the terms and conditions .Let the arguments begin !
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« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2021, 11:36:31 am »
I see your point there.  I'll ask Mr.Murphy..TD for Tallaght...to ask Mickall Martian in the Dail next week 
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Re: Business Interuptus
« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2021, 11:43:48 am »
I see your point there.  I'll ask Mr.Murphy..TD for Tallaght...to ask Mickall Martian in the Dail next week

I suppose the Insurers would say Taxis were never stopped from actually working and the Government might say they even changed the Law to let us earn 480 a month .I wonder if the Insurance Companies will try sue the Government for Locking Down the Pubs while letting other businesses continue to trade and if the Pubs will be opened sooner that we thought now that the White Powdered Wigs are involved .

 


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