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« on: February 10, 2021, 09:41:44 am »
Hundreds of thousands of people receiving the Pandemic Unemployment Payment (PUP) are in for a nasty shock if they return to work in 2021 – as they will have to pay all the income tax due on the payment this year.

Last year those getting the PUP were given the option to pay back their income tax bill over four years.

The change in tack by Revenue is set to put a massive financial strain on people getting the Pandemic Unemployment Payment as they are already under severe pressure to pay bills.

It means that anybody receiving the payment who gets their job back later this year will be hit hard. They will effectively lose tax credits, which will reduce the portion of their income that is tax-free.


Here’s what has changed about tax due on PUP

Remote workers get an average of just €26 in tax relief
This means that despite them returning to work, the money they take home after tax will be significantly cut.

Couples that are jointly assessed, with one of them on the PUP payment, are also set to take a hit.

Close to 500,000 people will receive the PUP this week, according to the Department of Social Protection. All could be affected by the change, depending on if and when they return to work.

Revenue said it was regularising the situation where payments from the Department of Social Protection are taxable unless they are specifically exempt from tax.


             


“The process of taxing PUP payments in place for 2021 is in line with our standard and well-established processes and more importantly ensures any tax amount due on such payments are collected evenly and in manageable amounts over the course of the year to ensure there is no big tax bill at the end of the year,” it said.

The 2020 PUP payments were not taxed at source to ensure people experiencing negative economic disruption from Covid-19 could get payments as quickly as possible.

However, the fact that the tax will be collected this year will at least mean there is no tax liability for PUP recipients at the end of the year.

“Revenue confirmed to Chartered Accountants Ireland that the Pandemic Unemployment Payment is taxable in real time in 2021,” Norah Collender, professional tax leader at the accountancy body, said.

“This means that PUP payments will be factored into the tax credits and rate band of PUP recipients, and their jointly assessed spouses, to collect tax due on the PUP in 2021.”

It is different to the process for those who got PUP payments last year. They were given the option of spreading the repayment over four years, with a reduction in their tax credits over that period, a move that will ease the blow.

Meanwhile for those jointly assessed for tax, where one of the couple is on PUP, the working partner’s tax credits will be reduced to pay the tax in one year if the partner on the welfare payment has insufficient tax credits.

The PUP was established last March under legislation which deals with granting supplementary welfare allowance in cases of urgency.

PUP payments are subject to income tax but are not hit by Universal Social Charge (USC) or Pay Related Social Insurance (PRSI).

Other social welfare payments such as Jobseekers’ Benefit are also taxed.

With Jobseekers Benefit the first €13 per week of the payment is ignored for tax purposes but this is not the case with PUP and the full amount is taxed.

As PUP payments are among the highest weekly social welfare payments available, the tax bill is set to be high.

For someone getting the maximum PUP payment of €350 per week, the total payment for a full year will work out at €18,200.

Ms Collender said this would lead to a reduction of €70 a week in tax credits for someone on the standard income tax rate of 20pc.

In contrast, Jobseekers Benefit is €203 per week, or €10,556 for a full year.

If this is taxed on the same basis, it would result in a reduction in tax credits of €2,111 per year, or €40 a week.

She said where couples are jointly assessed, and the PUP recipient has insufficient tax credits, the spouse or civil partner’s credits will be cut to ensure the tax is collected.

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« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2021, 09:42:12 am »
Meanwhile for those jointly assessed for tax, where one of the couple is on PUP, the working partner’s tax credits will be reduced to pay the tax in one year if the partner on the welfare payment has insufficient tax credits.

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« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2021, 09:44:03 am »
Nothing new John.Tax has to be paid.

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« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2021, 09:54:03 am »
No real difference to us .But there could be a nasty for some who are jointly assessed .You can see Paggo is worried about funds .VAT going back up tax being paid on time Things need to get back to some sort of normality .PUP payments are subject to income tax but are not hit by Universal Social Charge (USC) or Pay Related Social Insurance (PRSI).Your accountant will need to explain that .

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« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2021, 10:00:17 am »
Few grand at most.Double income households are rolling in the cash.No restaurants or holidays for two years.Lots of folks done well from the pandemic.

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« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2021, 10:12:53 am »
Few grand at most.Double income households are rolling in the cash.No restaurants or holidays for two years.Lots of folks done well from the pandemic.

Your not wrong Merch .Our kids mate works semi state working from home and is recieving 12% out of office money on top of her weekly as that was what she got before the lock down if she had to leave the office to meet a client she was paid a 12% premium .It was meant to cover the cost of coffee or lunch as she didnt have access to the canteen .

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« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2021, 10:40:23 am »
I posted about this last week John(PUP & PAYE thread)...only that my wifes employer sent her an email saying her tax credits were cut(they're not obliged to)at a time when i'm down over €200 per week and now they'll be taking €165 per month from my wife's salary...the only upside is that it's on a week one basis....initially Revenue has issued a tax cert that meant employers would have to take January's money aswell as Feb but they've changed that now,and as soon as i start back to work,tax credits will be restored,
Any tax on the puppy dole from last year can be paid over a 4year per period.

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« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2021, 10:55:13 am »
Sharon and Vera from the flats were getting Lone parents and PUP as they use to do 20 hours a week before the Plague .They were better off now than working .I wonder is there a hidden tax bill coming for them .If they already used up their tax credits on lone parents the whole or most of the PUP will be liable to tax .If thats right get down the Bookies bet on SF to be the biggest Party after the next election Pierse will say SF would not of taxed the Puppy Coin ." Billion for a Childrens Hospital originally estimated @ 400 Million over 6 Billion on Covid Coin another 4 billion on jobs stimulus .The money has to be paid back a little bit of tax on Dole is only the start .I think the price of staying closed will soon outweigh the Benifits .You would wonder if the Government would like a few riots and protests over lockdown so they could give in and re open stuff because that is what the people want .

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« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2021, 11:16:10 am »
Of course opening up is what we all want John...but for the moment...#stayfirm.....that's what she said last night!!

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« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2021, 01:51:28 pm »
Nothing new John.Tax has to be paid.
Someone has to support the well off and the career unemployed so it may as well be the  taxpayer.

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« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2021, 02:12:44 pm »
Also for those of you who might have a spouse working from home,you can claim 30% of broadband costs and 10% of electricity/gas,so include that in your 2020 returns(March-Dec)

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« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2021, 02:59:38 pm »
How are the Instagram models getting on? 8)

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« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2021, 04:01:57 pm »
MON, 15 FEB, 2021 - 14:42
ELAINE LOUGHLIN
The Pandemic Unemployment Payment (PUP) and Covid business supports will remain in place for many months to come before they are eventually phased out, the Minister for Public Expenditure has said.

Michael McGrath has said the Government will publish a plan on current pandemic supports along with the revised Covid roadmap next week to provide "a line of sight" to workers and businesses on when supports will be removed.

Asked whether the massive increase in spending on Covid measures both this year and last would have to be covered through an increase in taxes, he said he hoped the "bulk of the heavy lifting" will be done through increased spending when hospitality and retail reopens.

But he said a commission on taxation and welfare will be set up in the coming weeks and that will lay out options for the Government,


 
Mr McGrath said: "The eventual withdrawal and tapering off of supports will have to be done in tandem with the public health environment within which we are all living."

However, the Fianna Fáil TD warned that this will have to be done in a "very careful and gradual way" adding that the Government is "conscious that for so many businesses the continuation of these supports is the very difference between mere survival and going under, and similarly for households in the form of Pandemic Unemployment Payment."

Mr McGrath would not be drawn on exactly how much longer financial supports will continue, but he said that a €5.5bn contingency and recovery fund has been budgeted for and a further €6.5bn has been directed to various Departments to invest in Covid measures.

"It is true to say that given the level of restrictions that we're all living under at the moment and the very significant economic impact that that is having we are now using up those resources, and that will continue over the next number of months, but we believe that it is the right thing to do."
Mr McGrath said €23bn has been added to the State's debt bringing it to €235bn since the start of the pandemic.


"We are availing, to the maximum extent possible, of the very favourable borrowing conditions, by refinancing our debt and availing of the longest possible maturity. So while our stock of debt is rising, the cost of servicing it is falling and the average interest rate is falling.

"It is our view that the reopening of the economy eventually when it's safe to do so and getting people back to work, will do the bulk of the heavy lifting when it comes to closing the budget deficit," he told RTÉ's News At One programme.

 


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