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Covid deniers
« on: March 12, 2021, 11:59:45 am »
Over the last year they have been quite vocal in the disbelief in the presence of the virus.

Have any of them volunteered to decline a vaccine,  no matter what?

If so have they offered,  or will they offer the vaccine assigned to them or their family,  to be given to those who trust the medical and scientific communities?

It's time to stand up and be counted.


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Re: Covid deniers
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2021, 12:45:34 pm »
They won't want Bill and Melinda travelling inside their bodies in a micro spaceship making them even more paranoid!!

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Re: Covid deniers
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2021, 02:24:09 pm »
DONT MIND THE COVID  CRAP that will pass but

The problems of Brexit have not gone away with the agreement reached last December. The latest twist has been the unilateral decision by the UK to delay implementing the full terms of the Northern Ireland protocol. This is serious for Ireland because it threatens the integrity of the EU single market.

EU membership has been the key ingredient in raising Ireland from the status of one of the poorer EU members to one of the best-off, with the completion of the EU single market being one of the most important features in bringing that about, laying the foundations for the modern Irish economy.

From 1993 the single market ushered in the mutual recognition of standards and qualifications; it ended restrictions on trade in services; and, in public procurement, it introduced a prohibition on favouring national firms.

Without the single market, which the UK played an important role in developing, we would not have our pharmaceutical sector, IT sector or internationally traded services sector in their current forms. These are among the most productive and best-paid areas of the economy. Thus the single market is absolutely vital for Ireland, and we need to do whatever is necessary to protect our membership of it.

It is unclear why the UK has provoked the current crisis. Before the UK decision to delay implementation, rumour suggested that progress was being made in EU-UK talks on some of the difficulties that the protocol posed for Northern Ireland. However, these talks were not allowed to mature. Nonetheless, the talks continue, albeit in an awful atmosphere.

Onerous restrictions
Some of the restrictions on imports from Britain to Northern Ireland under the EU protocol seem unnecessarily onerous to protect the EU single market. In particular, the restrictions on what can be sold in supermarkets in Northern Ireland will potentially affect the range of goods available there, and their price.


It would be unlikely to threaten the single market if the EU rules were to be waived to permit UK supermarket chains to stock their Northern Irish shops as before, where these goods would be consumed only locally. Independent audit of the supermarket chains could prove that none of the banned goods were leaking into the EU supply chain. With goodwill and trust, that’s an issue that could be fixed.

Instead the UK is playing a game of chicken with the EU on the implementation of the Northern Ireland protocol. Announcing unilaterally that it is suspending full implementation is both unfortunate and, for Ireland, dangerous. Ireland and Northern Ireland could end up as roadkill.

There are number of ways that this could play out.

The best outcome is that the UK comes back into compliance over the next six weeks and the current unpleasantness can be put to one side.

However, if the UK refuses to implement the protocol, this would pose a permanent danger to the EU single market. If this danger were to became a reality, Ireland would either have to leave the EU single market or else introduce Border controls between the North and the Republic to protect that market – the very situation the protocol was designed to avoid.

Another scenario is that the EU parliament fails to ratify the agreement reached at the end of last year, due to the UK refusal to deliver on the exit agreement. If that were to happen, we would revert to a no-deal situation, with the immediate introduction of tariffs, border controls and many other types of dislocation in the relations between the EU and the UK.

Because the cause of such a breakdown would be the failure to implement the Northern Ireland protocol, the result would have to be the immediate imposition of a customs border on this island.


Customs controls
Two years ago, in the week before German chancellor Angela Merkel visited Dublin, there were a number of stories in the German press raising the question whether, if there were no deal, Ireland would choose to impose the necessary customs controls on the island to protect the EU market, or whether it would instead leave the EU single market and move closer to the UK.

These stories died the day of the visit because, clearly, the Irish Government explained that it would do whatever it took to maintain our current status in the EU, even if it required border controls.

A century ago Ireland chose independence at the cost of a border with customs controls. It would be a tragedy if the UK forced us to make that choice a second time.

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Re: Covid deniers
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2021, 04:29:52 pm »
DONT MIND THE COVID  CRAP that will pass but

The problems of Brexit have not gone away with the agreement reached last December. The latest twist has been the unilateral decision by the UK to delay implementing the full terms of the Northern Ireland protocol. This is serious for Ireland because it threatens the integrity of the EU single market.

EU membership has been the key ingredient in raising Ireland from the status of one of the poorer EU members to one of the best-off, with the completion of the EU single market being one of the most important features in bringing that about, laying the foundations for the modern Irish economy.

From 1993 the single market ushered in the mutual recognition of standards and qualifications; it ended restrictions on trade in services; and, in public procurement, it introduced a prohibition on favouring national firms.

Without the single market, which the UK played an important role in developing, we would not have our pharmaceutical sector, IT sector or internationally traded services sector in their current forms. These are among the most productive and best-paid areas of the economy. Thus the single market is absolutely vital for Ireland, and we need to do whatever is necessary to protect our membership of it.

It is unclear why the UK has provoked the current crisis. Before the UK decision to delay implementation, rumour suggested that progress was being made in EU-UK talks on some of the difficulties that the protocol posed for Northern Ireland. However, these talks were not allowed to mature. Nonetheless, the talks continue, albeit in an awful atmosphere.

Onerous restrictions
Some of the restrictions on imports from Britain to Northern Ireland under the EU protocol seem unnecessarily onerous to protect the EU single market. In particular, the restrictions on what can be sold in supermarkets in Northern Ireland will potentially affect the range of goods available there, and their price.


It would be unlikely to threaten the single market if the EU rules were to be waived to permit UK supermarket chains to stock their Northern Irish shops as before, where these goods would be consumed only locally. Independent audit of the supermarket chains could prove that none of the banned goods were leaking into the EU supply chain. With goodwill and trust, that’s an issue that could be fixed.

Instead the UK is playing a game of chicken with the EU on the implementation of the Northern Ireland protocol. Announcing unilaterally that it is suspending full implementation is both unfortunate and, for Ireland, dangerous. Ireland and Northern Ireland could end up as roadkill.

There are number of ways that this could play out.

The best outcome is that the UK comes back into compliance over the next six weeks and the current unpleasantness can be put to one side.

However, if the UK refuses to implement the protocol, this would pose a permanent danger to the EU single market. If this danger were to became a reality, Ireland would either have to leave the EU single market or else introduce Border controls between the North and the Republic to protect that market – the very situation the protocol was designed to avoid.

Another scenario is that the EU parliament fails to ratify the agreement reached at the end of last year, due to the UK refusal to deliver on the exit agreement. If that were to happen, we would revert to a no-deal situation, with the immediate introduction of tariffs, border controls and many other types of dislocation in the relations between the EU and the UK.

Because the cause of such a breakdown would be the failure to implement the Northern Ireland protocol, the result would have to be the immediate imposition of a customs border on this island.


Customs controls
Two years ago, in the week before German chancellor Angela Merkel visited Dublin, there were a number of stories in the German press raising the question whether, if there were no deal, Ireland would choose to impose the necessary customs controls on the island to protect the EU market, or whether it would instead leave the EU single market and move closer to the UK.

These stories died the day of the visit because, clearly, the Irish Government explained that it would do whatever it took to maintain our current status in the EU, even if it required border controls.

A century ago Ireland chose independence at the cost of a border with customs controls. It would be a tragedy if the UK forced us to make that choice a second time.
Ah Jonny fir fuk sake....yet another thread hijacked by brexit .... oops
Can we talk about hard boiled eggs again in the name of jayzuz ::)
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Re: Covid deniers
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2021, 04:37:40 pm »
Ah Jonny fir fuk sake....yet another thread hijacked by brexit .... oops
Can we talk about hard boiled eggs again in the name of jayzuz ::)

Yeah....what's it got to do with covid deniers....i think Team GB are well out in front with their vax programme.

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Re: Covid deniers
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2021, 06:22:57 pm »
DONT MIND THE COVID  CRAP that will pass but

The problems of Brexit have not gone away with the agreement reached last December. The latest twist has been the unilateral decision by the UK to delay implementing the full terms of the Northern Ireland protocol. This is serious for Ireland because it threatens the integrity of the EU single market.

EU membership has been the key ingredient in raising Ireland from the status of one of the poorer EU members to one of the best-off, with the completion of the EU single market being one of the most important features in bringing that about, laying the foundations for the modern Irish economy.

From 1993 the single market ushered in the mutual recognition of standards and qualifications; it ended restrictions on trade in services; and, in public procurement, it introduced a prohibition on favouring national firms.

Without the single market, which the UK played an important role in developing, we would not have our pharmaceutical sector, IT sector or internationally traded services sector in their current forms. These are among the most productive and best-paid areas of the economy. Thus the single market is absolutely vital for Ireland, and we need to do whatever is necessary to protect our membership of it.

It is unclear why the UK has provoked the current crisis. Before the UK decision to delay implementation, rumour suggested that progress was being made in EU-UK talks on some of the difficulties that the protocol posed for Northern Ireland. However, these talks were not allowed to mature. Nonetheless, the talks continue, albeit in an awful atmosphere.

Onerous restrictions
Some of the restrictions on imports from Britain to Northern Ireland under the EU protocol seem unnecessarily onerous to protect the EU single market. In particular, the restrictions on what can be sold in supermarkets in Northern Ireland will potentially affect the range of goods available there, and their price.


It would be unlikely to threaten the single market if the EU rules were to be waived to permit UK supermarket chains to stock their Northern Irish shops as before, where these goods would be consumed only locally. Independent audit of the supermarket chains could prove that none of the banned goods were leaking into the EU supply chain. With goodwill and trust, that’s an issue that could be fixed.

Instead the UK is playing a game of chicken with the EU on the implementation of the Northern Ireland protocol. Announcing unilaterally that it is suspending full implementation is both unfortunate and, for Ireland, dangerous. Ireland and Northern Ireland could end up as roadkill.

There are number of ways that this could play out.

The best outcome is that the UK comes back into compliance over the next six weeks and the current unpleasantness can be put to one side.

However, if the UK refuses to implement the protocol, this would pose a permanent danger to the EU single market. If this danger were to became a reality, Ireland would either have to leave the EU single market or else introduce Border controls between the North and the Republic to protect that market – the very situation the protocol was designed to avoid.

Another scenario is that the EU parliament fails to ratify the agreement reached at the end of last year, due to the UK refusal to deliver on the exit agreement. If that were to happen, we would revert to a no-deal situation, with the immediate introduction of tariffs, border controls and many other types of dislocation in the relations between the EU and the UK.

Because the cause of such a breakdown would be the failure to implement the Northern Ireland protocol, the result would have to be the immediate imposition of a customs border on this island.


Customs controls
Two years ago, in the week before German chancellor Angela Merkel visited Dublin, there were a number of stories in the German press raising the question whether, if there were no deal, Ireland would choose to impose the necessary customs controls on the island to protect the EU market, or whether it would instead leave the EU single market and move closer to the UK.

These stories died the day of the visit because, clearly, the Irish Government explained that it would do whatever it took to maintain our current status in the EU, even if it required border controls.

A century ago Ireland chose independence at the cost of a border with customs controls. It would be a tragedy if the UK forced us to make that choice a second time.
Wrong thread.

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Re: Covid deniers
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2021, 06:30:05 pm »
Hal a lot of whats going on now is being blamed on Covid .I was out last night with two lads both running small engineering shops both wont be reopening .One said that the Brits are getting picky about using EU manufactured parts along with UK made parts as there is an issue with traceability and Liability .If a UK manufactured part fails where do you sue the manufacturer in the British Courts or EU courts .A lot of small freight forwarders working Ireland /UK are not working not because of Covid but because of Brexit nothing being exported or imported .United Drug were looking for van drivers with ADR certs got over 300 applications from lads that would normally be driving long haul .Both the Lads running the Engineering Shops are already out of business I was out moving gear out of a Factory into storage with them yesterday neither recon they will work again both in their late 50s .The Courier they both use to use is also out of business .Think they employed 5 other men between them .I recon there are thousands of small companies that are selling into the UK wont reopen .

The Great Dr Leo thought this Covid Crap was only going to go on a few weeks he also thought he had a deal with the Brits .Brexit will have a bigger impact on the Irish Economy than Covid and it will last longer .The only Country in the EU actually complaining they dont have enough Vaccines are the Irish most other countries dont want to use what they have

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Re: Covid deniers
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2021, 06:31:37 pm »
The Covid Shite is just being used to mask the real problem for the Irish Economy GET A GUN .

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Re: Covid deniers
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2021, 07:39:08 pm »
It's all a loada bollocks.

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Re: Covid deniers
« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2021, 08:25:02 pm »
1.01 landed.

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« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2021, 10:18:42 pm »
Hal a lot of whats going on now is being blamed on Covid .I was out last night with two lads both running small engineering shops both wont be reopening .One said that the Brits are getting picky about using EU manufactured parts along with UK made parts as there is an issue with traceability and Liability .If a UK manufactured part fails where do you sue the manufacturer in the British Courts or EU courts .A lot of small freight forwarders working Ireland /UK are not working not because of Covid but because of Brexit nothing being exported or imported .United Drug were looking for van drivers with ADR certs got over 300 applications from lads that would normally be driving long haul .Both the Lads running the Engineering Shops are already out of business I was out moving gear out of a Factory into storage with them yesterday neither recon they will work again both in their late 50s .The Courier they both use to use is also out of business .Think they employed 5 other men between them .I recon there are thousands of small companies that are selling into the UK wont reopen .

The Great Dr Leo thought this Covid Crap was only going to go on a few weeks he also thought he had a deal with the Brits .Brexit will have a bigger impact on the Irish Economy than Covid and it will last longer .The only Country in the EU actually complaining they dont have enough Vaccines are the Irish most other countries dont want to use what they have
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Re: Covid deniers
« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2021, 11:00:21 pm »
Covid deniers and brexit are connected?.....i disagree.

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« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2021, 01:55:15 pm »
Covid deniers and brexit are connected?.....i disagree.
Shouldn't Ermy's Brexit posts be in the Sports & Gambling section  8)

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Re: Covid deniers
« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2021, 11:23:35 am »
IS THIS THE SHIT YOU ARE TELLING US TO INJECT INTO OUR SELVES AND OUR KIDS .


The administration of the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine has been suspended in Ireland as a precaution following concern over blood clots in Norway.

Minister for Health Stephen Donnelly said the decision was made on foot of a recommendation from the National Immunisation Advisory Committee (NIAC).

It followed reports from Norway of blood clots in a small number of adults who received the shot.

In a tweet, Mr Donnelly said it was a "precautionary step" and the NIAC is due to meet again this morning.

So far, more than 110,000 doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine have been administered in Ireland, which is about 20% of all doses given to date.

In an earlier statement, the Deputy Chief Medical Officer said that following new information received last night, and following discussion with the Health Products Regulatory Authority, NIAC recommended that the administration of the vaccine be temporarily deferred from this morning.

Dr Ronan Glynn said: "It has not been concluded that there is any link between the Covid-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca and these [Norway] cases.

"However, acting on the precautionary principle, and pending receipt of further information, the NIAC has recommended the temporary deferral of the Covid-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca vaccination programme in Ireland."

In a statement, a spokesperson for AstraZeneca said that an analysis of safety data covering more than 17 million doses of the vaccine administered has shown no evidence of an increased risk of the conditions concerned, and that no trends or patterns were observed in clinical trials.

The spokesperson said: "An analysis of our safety data that covers reported cases from more than 17 million doses of vaccine administered has shown no evidence of an increased risk of pulmonary embolism, deep vein thrombosis or thrombocytopenia with Covid-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca.

"In fact, the reported numbers of these types of events for Covid-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca are not greater than the number that would have occurred naturally in the unvaccinated population.

"In clinical trials, no trends or patterns were observed with regard to pulmonary embolism, deep vein thrombosis, or events possibly related to thrombocytopenia.

"A careful review of all available safety data including these events is ongoing and AstraZeneca is committed to sharing information without delay."


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Norwegian health authorities have said that three health workers who had recently received the AstraZeneca vaccine are being treated in hospital for bleeding, blood clots and a low count of blood platelets.

Norway halted the roll-out of the AstraZeneca vaccine on Thursday, following a similar move by Denmark. Iceland later followed suit.

"We do not know if the cases are linked to the vaccine," Sigurd Hortemo, a senior doctor at the Norwegian Medicines Agency told a news conference held jointly with the Norwegian Institute of Public Health.

All three individuals are under the age of 50.

The European medicine regulator, the European Medicines Agency (EMA,) would investigate the three incidents, Mr Hortemo said.

"They have very unusual symptoms: bleeding, blood clots and a low count of blood platelets," Steinar Madsen, Medical Director at the Norwegian Medicines Agency told broadcaster NRK.

"They are quite sick ... We take this very seriously," he said, adding that authorities had received notification of the cases yesterday.

Before Denmark and Norway stopped their roll-out of the AstraZeneca vaccine, Austria stopped using a batch of the shots while investigating a death from coagulation disorders and an illness from a pulmonary embolism.

The EMA said on Thursday the vaccine's benefits outweighed its risks and that it could continue to be administered.

Additional reporting Reuters

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« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2021, 12:42:11 pm »
Hal a lot of whats going on now is being blamed on Covid .I was out last night with two lads both running small engineering shops both wont be reopening .One said that the Brits are getting picky about using EU manufactured parts along with UK made parts as there is an issue with traceability and Liability .If a UK manufactured part fails where do you sue the manufacturer in the British Courts or EU courts .A lot of small freight forwarders working Ireland /UK are not working not because of Covid but because of Brexit nothing being exported or imported .United Drug were looking for van drivers with ADR certs got over 300 applications from lads that would normally be driving long haul .Both the Lads running the Engineering Shops are already out of business I was out moving gear out of a Factory into storage with them yesterday neither recon they will work again both in their late 50s .The Courier they both use to use is also out of business .Think they employed 5 other men between them .I recon there are thousands of small companies that are selling into the UK wont reopen .

The Great Dr Leo thought this Covid Crap was only going to go on a few weeks he also thought he had a deal with the Brits .Brexit will have a bigger impact on the Irish Economy than Covid and it will last longer .The only Country in the EU actually complaining they dont have enough Vaccines are the Irish most other countries dont want to use what they have
Seeing as the majority of recipients so far are over 85, there's always a risk.

 


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