GOD can go and FUCK OFF

[John m]

THE EUROPEAN COURT of Human Rights (ECHR) will today rule on a challenge to the wording of the presidential oath in Ireland, which currently requires those elected to swear to “almighty God”.

The Constitution states that the President when entering office must make a declaration “in the presence of Almighty God” about their promise to fulfil their duties and maintain the constitution.

The challenge over this constitutional requirement for the President and a body that advises the president is being taken by TDs Roisin Shortall and John Brady, Senator David Norris, former CEO of Barnardos Fergus Finlay and Trinity College Dublin Chancellor David McConnell. 

The applicants claim the declarations required by Article 12.8 and 31.4 of the Constitution “exclude conscientious non-Christians, non-believers and those who do not wish to violate their consciences both from the office of President and from membership of the Council of State”.

They claim that as prominent politicians and members of Irish civil society they can legitimately aspire to being elected to the office of President or to being appointed to the Council of State.

The applicants claim that the requirements for religious declaration for these offices in the Constitution would either prevent them from taking up these offices or require them to make a religious declaration against their conscience.

They also claim that their rights to freedom of thought, conscience and religion under Article 9.1 have been violated by the above requirements.

The case is due to be heard before the European Court of Human Rights this morning.

[John m]

Country is falling apart ,No housing ,No Nightclubs ,No Hospital beds and now no GOD .If they win this case there will need to be a referendum to remove GOD from the Constitution .This is how Politicians want to waste their time .GET A GUN .I wonder will the Boy Scouts Creed also need to be changed .

[Horse]

What about the courts John. Could it be that one can choose what book to lay their hand on whilst swearing to tell the truth? What if one's an atheist? Could they place their hand on the dandy or beano and swear to Mickey mouse to tell the truth?

[John m]

iYou dont need to swear on the Bible in Court never did .That was just In Perry Mason or Rumpole of the Bailey TV Shows .If the ECJ do rule GOD out then The Constitution and any Article with the Word God in it has to be changed and will require a Referendum .Effectivly we will be asked to vote for an Athirst State who believe in nothing .Legally GOD wont exist but ramming your Cock up somebodies arse will be protected in the Constitution .GET A GUN .The backlash to all this Pinko Nonsence will see Europe and Ireland go the same way as TRUMPS America .The lunatics will take over the asylum then the other Lunatics will take it back .Look at France or Britain the Student Protests in Paris of the 60s and Harold Wilsons Socialist Government in the UK planted the seeds for todays terrorism and Social breakdown in both countries .More teenagers in Britain and France will be killed at home than Soldiers from either of these countries .More Dangerous to be a Teenager in South London than a front line Soldier .All these Pinkos are deconstructavists they want to destroy everything but have no answers to what to replace what the want to destroy with .GET A GUNA BIG ONE .you will need it sooner than you think .

[John m]

European Court of Justice interfearing again .They say Dwyer the Murderers Phone should not of been interfeared with so should not of been allowed in evidence .I would bet coin Gerry Hutch will go to the ECJ for a ruling on what was recorded in his car .Saying that as the Car crossed the border the Garda did not retain a proper Chain of Evidence as Garda have no authority in the UK .Beginning to see why the Brits want the ECJ removed from the Brexit deal .You dont know what reason or logic Liberal Pinko Judges in Europe will use .

[Rat Catcher]

Maybe it should be up to the person taking the oath to denote which God (if any) ought to hold them to account. Does one still have to swear on the Holy Bible to give evidence in a court of law?

[John m]

Maybe it should be up to the person taking the oath to denote which God (if any) ought to hold them to account. Does one still have to swear on the Holy Bible to give evidence in a court of law?

I wonder if any of the Complainants have ever visited the USA or do they object to using money that says in God we Trust ?You do not never had to swear on the Holy Bible to give evidence in a court of Law .

PS will you take your brown envelope full of Dollars ?

[John m]

SOME COMMON SENSE

European human rights judges have dismissed a legal challenge to the presidential oath, in a setback for campaigners seeking to remove declarations made “in the presence of Almighty God” from the Constitution.

The presidential oath is set out in the Constitution and a ruling that it breached the European Convention on Human Rights would have prompted demands for a referendum to change it.

The European Court of Human Rights judgment follows a case taken by Social Democrats co-leader Róisín Shortall and four co-litigants. The Government had argued that the action should be thrown out because the litigants were not victimised by the constitutional requirement to make such declarations.

In a unanimous ruling on Thursday, the case was declared inadmissible by a seven-judge chamber of the court in Strasbourg. “The decision is final,” it said.

“The court, in declaring the applications inadmissible, found that the applicants had failed to provide reasonable and convincing evidence that they were at risk of being directly affected by these requirements and so could not claim to be victims of a violation of the Convention,” it added.

“The Convention did not permit applicants to complain about a provision of national law simply because they considered, without being directly affected by it, that it may contravene the Convention.

“The court had previously accepted that applicants might be potential victims in certain circumstances. But in order to claim to be a potential victim, an applicant had to produce reasonable and convincing evidence of the likelihood that a violation affecting them personally would occur; mere suspicion or conjecture was insufficient.”

At issue were clauses that require the president and members of the Council of State, which advises the president, to swear a declaration referring to “Almighty God” when taking office. Judges are required to make a similar oath.

[John m]

Brilliant if you read the judgement the Judges looked at the Litigants and pissed themselves laughing at these people thinking they might some day be President .

[Rat Catcher]

I see. The court system is pretty much as I suggested. Tell the relevant Minister to extend that methodology to all situations where an oath is legally required and we're sorted.

https://www.decisis.ie/legal-news/oaths/

By: Mark Tottenham BL, on March 8, 2019

Before giving evidence in an Irish court, most witnesses are required to swear an oath to the following effect:

“I swear by Almighty God that the evidence I shall give shall be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.”

The requirement to make the oath in this form arises under the Oaths Act 1909, which sets out the prescribed forms of oaths for Christians and Jews. This is that Christians should hold the New Testament, and Jews should hold the Old Testament when making the oath. The Act preserves the right for a person who is not Christian or Jewish to take an oath in any manner then lawful.

If a witness objects to being sworn on the grounds that he or she has no religious belief, or that the taking of the oath is contrary to his religious belief, he or she is permitted to make a ‘solemn affirmation’ instead, under the Oaths Act 1888.

The legislation has not been updated since independence in the 1920s, nor since the introduction of the constitution in 1937.

[John m]

I dont think Rosien or Finley were worried about the Presidential Oath .It was a two faced way of trying to Remove God or Religion from the Constitution /Classroom .You dont always ask for what you want to get what you need .

[Rat Catcher]

A reasonable aspiration, regardless. If traffic congestion around Mosques and the lack thereof around Churches (RC and COI) is anything to go by Islam seems to be the most practiced religion these days up above in Dublin. In any event, a persons religious beliefs ought not inhibit his ability to hold office.

[John m]

The most idiotic thing ever to come out of the Dail .TD back tracked on free antigen tests for TDs Senators because it looked bad .Now they will provide FREE tests for Staff other than TDs and Senators .So Irish Dail have actually ruled that you can discriminate against different workers employed at the same premises .

[Rat Catcher]

Of course you can e.g. army officers have access to more/better facilities/accommodation than regular soldiers.

[John m]

Of course you can e.g. army officers have access to more/better facilities/accommodation than regular soldiers.

Is it any wonder we have War Ships parked up because we cant get staff and there are more members of the Kinahan Organised Crime Group than the Irish Army .Modern Employees wont stand for that sort of carry on .