Brilliant lecture last night

[silverbullet]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0012b15/the-richard-dimbleby-lecture-dame-sarah-gilbert

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-12-07-professor-dame-sarah-gilbert-delivers-44th-dimbleby-lecture

I'd like to see one of the anti-maskers/vaxxers deliver a retort, but it would probably be in the "It's a loada boll*ocks" language.

[Dr. Martin Gooter Bling]

could'nt read all that dirt.
dimbleby does be great though.

[C5]

@silverbullet, she's a scare mongering buffoon in the pocket of big pharma, a disease that has a survival rate of 99%. The scientist who invented the Mrna technology dr Robert r Malone said the vaccine should be targeted to older people and immune compromised only, because vaccinating in the middle of a pandemic forces the virus to mutate to get past vaccines. He has spoken out and is been blackened by social media.

[silverbullet]

@silverbullet, she's a scare mongering buffoon in the pocket of big pharma, a disease that has a survival rate of 99%. The scientist who invented the Mrna technology dr Robert r Malone said the vaccine should be targeted to older people and immune compromised only, because vaccinating in the middle of a pandemic forces the virus to mutate to get past vaccines. He has spoken out and is been blackened by social media.

They disagree on very little: https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/mrna-vaccine-trailblazer-dr-robert-malone-joins-the-unity-project-as-chief-medical--regulatory-officer-301424399.html

[Rat Catcher]

I got double vaccinated myself without giving it much thought but there is a definite lack of substantial debate with anti-vaxxers completely suppressed by main stream media.

[C5]

@ratcatcher, just to be clear, I'm not an anti vaxer I've taken the flu vaccine numerous times thats been tested over decades, but this concoction developed over 7 or 8 months, no thanks. My friends bosses brother in Germany got paralyzed on the left side of his body from head to toe a day after the first dose, still not ok. A friends wife in hospital with swelling of the heart muscles a week after the first dose, the hearts damaged for life. Millions around the world with vaccine injury's, latest figures coming from the States up to 8,000,000 injured in some form and they think that's only 10% they know about. a teenage girl was on one of the medical youtube channels she is paralysed and has to be fed through a tube for the rest of her life. No tv or radio channel would listen to them because the pharmaceutical companies are spending big on advertising like sponsored tv programmes like breakfast shows etc. I've never seen anything like what's going on right now. And a leaked video online showing the group that decides when new drugs can be released from pizer saying the only way we can test the lower dose vaccine on children is to do live trials release it into the market place. I've spent a year and a half finding this stuff out sifting through the loonies until I found sensible voices on the other side of the debate.

[silverbullet]

@ratcatcher, just to be clear, I'm not an anti vaxer I've taken the flu vaccine numerous times thats been tested over decades, but this concoction developed over 7 or 8 months, no thanks. My friends bosses brother in Germany got paralyzed on the left side of his body from head to toe a day after the first dose, still not ok. A friends wife in hospital with swelling of the heart muscles a week after the first dose, the hearts damaged for life. Millions around the world with vaccine injury's, latest figures coming from the States up to 8,000,000 injured in some form and they think that's only 10% they know about. a teenage girl was on one of the medical youtube channels she is paralysed and has to be fed through a tube for the rest of her life. No tv or radio channel would listen to them because the pharmaceutical companies are spending big on advertising like sponsored tv programmes like breakfast shows etc. I've never seen anything like what's going on right now. And a leaked video online showing the group that decides when new drugs can be released from pizer saying the only way we can test the lower dose vaccine on children is to do live trials release it into the market place. I've spent a year and a half finding this stuff out sifting through the loonies until I found sensible voices on the other side of the debate.

By the same token Dr. Robert B Malone is in the pocket of Pfizer, Moderna, and Inovio:

He is perhaps best known for his trailblazing work as the original Inventor of the mRNA vaccine platform used in the Pfizer and Moderna Covid-19 vaccines as well as the DNA vaccine platform used by Inovio.

Your so-called research suggests a search for confirmation bias, which you found on YouTube.

Would you care to post the rest of your research including methodology and parameters?

[C5]

The same conformation bias like on rte, virgin media, bcc etc I've listened to both sides and the side that says not everyone needs it I take interest in. If you say anything negative against these vaccines your black listed from main stream media. This dr Robert E Malone wants to debate this but they blank him. So a red flag goes up and I stay away from that stuff.

[silverbullet]

The same conformation bias like on rte, virgin media, bcc etc I've listened to both sides and the side that says not everyone needs it I take interest in. If you say anything negative against these vaccines your black listed from main stream media. This dr Robert E Malone wants to debate this but they blank him. So a red flag goes up and I stay away from that stuff.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/robert-malone-vaccine-inventor-vaccine-skeptic/619734/

Possible character assassination? I thought it was an OK article until I read its sponsor was something called "Chan-Zuckerberg foundation".

[Rat Catcher]

I wasn't attempting to label anyone, C5. Neither was I using "anti-vaxxer" in a derogatory sense. In fact, I would like to hear more balanced arguments on mainstream media. RTE, in particular, has a pro-Government line agenda that stiffles any opportunity for balanced debate. In fact, I recall listening to Joe Duffy some time ago discussing wait times of more than 2 hiours for ambulances up above in Dublin. A fireman or paramedic came on to explain how calls are prioritised and commented that there has been an unprecedented surge in stroke/blood clot related calls in recent times. Nobody asked or was allowed on air to ask if this could be vaccine related.

[silverbullet]

I wasn't attempting to label anyone, C5. Neither was I using "anti-vaxxer" in a derogatory sense. In fact, I would like to hear more balanced arguments on mainstream media. RTE, in particular, has a pro-Government line agenda that stiffles any opportunity for balanced debate. In fact, I recall listening to Joe Duffy some time ago discussing wait times of more than 2 hiours for ambulances up above in Dublin. A fireman or paramedic came on to explain how calls are prioritised and commented that there has been an unprecedented surge in stroke/blood clot related calls in recent times. Nobody asked or was allowed on air to ask if this could be vaccine related.

It appears that Covid patients are getting priority.

[Rat Catcher]

The DFB man suggested stroke/heart attack symptoms are prioritised. I guess folk could be faking such symptoms to get further up the queue?

[watty]

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/robert-malone-vaccine-inventor-vaccine-skeptic/619734/

Possible character assassination? I thought it was an OK article until I read its sponsor was something called "Chan-Zuckerberg foundation".

That's Facebook to you and me!

https://chanzuckerberg.com

The Chan Zuckerberg Initiative is an organization established and owned by Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg and his wife Priscilla Chan with an investment of 99 percent of the couple's wealth from their Facebook shares over their lifetime.

[Rat Catcher]

When my own father had heart attack symptoms - back befor COVID '19 - they had a paramedic on a motorbike out within a few minutes and an ambulance a few minutes after that... with telephone instruction to my mother (open the front door, get him to chew Asprin, updates on the paramedic's progress) up to the time the paramedic arrived. You can't fault the response when it's needed regardless of whatever pressure they might be under.

[silverbullet]

When my own father had heart attack symptoms - back befor COVID '19 - they had a paramedic on a motorbike out within a few minutes and an ambulance a few minutes after that... with telephone instruction to my mother (open the front door, get him to chew Asprin, updates on the paramedic's progress) up to the time the paramedic arrived. You can't fault the response when it's needed regardless of whatever pressure they might be under.

I agree.
Having unvaccinated patients using up valuable resources when it was largely avoidable is disappointing.