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« on: February 28, 2022, 08:21:16 am »
A high-visibility Garda campaign will get under way in Dublin’s Phoenix Park todayto enforce a new 30km/h speed limit and traffic restrictions.

In what will be the most significant curbs on traffic in the park to date, speed limits will be reduced from 50km/h, cars will be banned from using the park’s main southern road as a throughway and its northern road will become one way only. In addition, temporary cycle lanes, which replaced parking on Chesterfield Avenue, will be made permanent.

Speaking ahead of the changes, Minister of State for the Office of Public Works (OPW) Patrick O’Donovan said their introduction would save lives.

“Our ambition is to protect life. We don’t want to have a situation where there’s a young child or any park user killed because of excessive speed, and we have gotten a lot of complaints in relation to motorists’ speed in the Phoenix Park.”

Mr O’Donovan has also given his strongest indication to date that parking charges could be introduced in the park.

With a strategy on the future provision of car parking due to be published later this year, Mr O’Donovan said “difficult decisions” would have to be made about parking.


“We cannot continue to have the number of cars going into the Phoenix Park to park at the rate they are,” he said. “Everything is free, gratis and for nothing up there at the moment.”

Dublin City Council and Fingal County Council would have to work with the OPW to devise parking solutions, he said.

“We will need the two local authorities to come up with solutions short term and medium term to help us manage parking into the future. What is not sustainable in to the future is that it becomes something of a quasi-dumping ground for parking.

“Sustainability has to become a factor in this. A lot of the other tourist attractions are not providing car parking, but somehow [it] seems to have become our responsibility to find car parking on our site just for our visitors alone.”

‘Appalling example’
The parking strategy would also focus on finding a solution to the problem of illegal parking, he said.

“We can’t continue to have the amenity being destroyed by people driving up on the grass, parking under signs saying ‘don’t park on the grass’ and just showing wanton disregard for what we’re trying to do. It is an appalling example to be showing to people.”

Asked if he would introduce clamping for offenders, he said he did not want to pre-empt the parking strategy, which he expected would be published in September. “I have an open mind on everything. I’m not saying that anything is off the table, what I can say is nothing will remain the same.”

From Monday, a stretch of just under 1km on Upper Glen Road, the park’s main southern road, will be made car-free, and North Road will be one way from the Cabra Gate to Dublin Zoo, with one lane of traffic in the centre of the road, flanked by parking spaces and a two-way cycle lane.

A strong Garda presence will be in place from Monday, and on an ongoing basis, Mr O’Donovan said. “We are asking people to obey the changes but to remind people that gardaí have powers of enforcement. There will be Garda presence in the park to enforce that throughout.”

He said he knew not everyone would be happy with the changes.

“We have already got some feedback of people not being overly happy in terms of commuting times but remember this is a park. It is in the first instance a place for people to enjoy in terms of amenity.”

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Re: park life
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2022, 10:53:01 am »
Good for taximen working up above in Dublin and good for folk who make (illegal) recreational use of the facility... but the 30 kilo/hour limit won't be enforced. It never is.
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Re: park life
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2022, 10:55:29 am »
The cops will be more inconvenienced by this as they're based in the park.They won't be happy until we're all on bicycles.

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Re: park life
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2022, 10:59:05 am »
On bicycles or using public transport, including taxis. Millions of legal professionals use Phoenix Park as a free car park which is madness. The parking fee should be reasonable (maybe €3/hour) for 1-6 hours near the zoological gardens and for 1-2 hours elsewhwere with at least €27.20 per hour charged thereafter.
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Re: park life
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2022, 01:40:57 pm »
On bicycles or using public transport, including taxis. Millions of legal professionals use Phoenix Park as a free car park which is madness. The parking fee should be reasonable (maybe €3/hour) for 1-6 hours near the zoological gardens and for 1-2 hours elsewhwere with at least €27.20 per hour charged thereafter.
Might be cheaper to get a taxi from Church St - from memory, it was usually around €6.  Presumably the return journey would be the same.
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Re: park life
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2022, 06:54:11 pm »
A high-visibility Garda campaign will get under way in Dublin’s Phoenix Park todayto enforce a new 30km/h speed limit and traffic restrictions.

In what will be the most significant curbs on traffic in the park to date, speed limits will be reduced from 50km/h, cars will be banned from using the park’s main southern road as a throughway and its northern road will become one way only. In addition, temporary cycle lanes, which replaced parking on Chesterfield Avenue, will be made permanent.

Speaking ahead of the changes, Minister of State for the Office of Public Works (OPW) Patrick O’Donovan said their introduction would save lives.

“Our ambition is to protect life. We don’t want to have a situation where there’s a young child or any park user killed because of excessive speed, and we have gotten a lot of complaints in relation to motorists’ speed in the Phoenix Park.”

Mr O’Donovan has also given his strongest indication to date that parking charges could be introduced in the park.

With a strategy on the future provision of car parking due to be published later this year, Mr O’Donovan said “difficult decisions” would have to be made about parking.


“We cannot continue to have the number of cars going into the Phoenix Park to park at the rate they are,” he said. “Everything is free, gratis and for nothing up there at the moment.”

Dublin City Council and Fingal County Council would have to work with the OPW to devise parking solutions, he said.

“We will need the two local authorities to come up with solutions short term and medium term to help us manage parking into the future. What is not sustainable in to the future is that it becomes something of a quasi-dumping ground for parking.

“Sustainability has to become a factor in this. A lot of the other tourist attractions are not providing car parking, but somehow [it] seems to have become our responsibility to find car parking on our site just for our visitors alone.”

‘Appalling example’
The parking strategy would also focus on finding a solution to the problem of illegal parking, he said.

“We can’t continue to have the amenity being destroyed by people driving up on the grass, parking under signs saying ‘don’t park on the grass’ and just showing wanton disregard for what we’re trying to do. It is an appalling example to be showing to people.”

Asked if he would introduce clamping for offenders, he said he did not want to pre-empt the parking strategy, which he expected would be published in September. “I have an open mind on everything. I’m not saying that anything is off the table, what I can say is nothing will remain the same.”

From Monday, a stretch of just under 1km on Upper Glen Road, the park’s main southern road, will be made car-free, and North Road will be one way from the Cabra Gate to Dublin Zoo, with one lane of traffic in the centre of the road, flanked by parking spaces and a two-way cycle lane.

A strong Garda presence will be in place from Monday, and on an ongoing basis, Mr O’Donovan said. “We are asking people to obey the changes but to remind people that gardaí have powers of enforcement. There will be Garda presence in the park to enforce that throughout.”

He said he knew not everyone would be happy with the changes.

“We have already got some feedback of people not being overly happy in terms of commuting times but remember this is a park. It is in the first instance a place for people to enjoy in terms of amenity.”
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Re: park life
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2022, 07:37:13 pm »

“Our ambition is to protect life. We don’t want to have a situation where there’s a young child or any park user killed because of excessive speed, and we have gotten a lot of complaints in relation to motorists’ speed in the Phoenix Park.”
You always know someone has a weak argument when they invoke the 'won't someone think of the children' cliche.  I wonder how many people have actually been knocked down, injured and/or killed by cars in the Phoenix Park in the last 10 years?  I remember a boyracer hitting a family out walking with the child in a buggy around the Civil Defence place.  Ironically, he could repeat his act with the one way system proposed from Garda HQ to the Hole in the Wall pub...

If you use a search engine to search for ["Phoenix Park" died], the first few results are homeless deaths, a cyclist killed after hitting a pedestrian, and someone who died while jogging!

“We have already got some feedback of people not being overly happy in terms of commuting times but remember this is a park. It is in the first instance a place for people to enjoy in terms of amenity.”
How are people supposed to get there?  Take the Luas to Parkgate St and walk up?  They'd be knackered before they got to the Wellington monument! Oh yeah, bicycles are the answer.  Again.  But can you bring your bicycle on the Luas or bus?

It would be nice if they came up with an official policy for taxi pickup/dropoff around the Zoo.  Far too often, families spend 2 or 3 hours walking around the Zoo and come out and the children are knackered and it's a good 30 min walk to the front gates.  And then the taxi rank at the CCJ is full of unmarked police cars!  Should be an official taxi spot for pickups/dropoffs...
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Re: park life
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2022, 08:05:09 pm »

“Our ambition is to protect life. We don’t want to have a situation where there’s a young child or any park user killed because of excessive speed, and we have gotten a lot of complaints in relation to motorists’ speed in the Phoenix Park.”
You always know someone has a weak argument when they invoke the 'won't someone think of the children' cliche.  I wonder how many people have actually been knocked down, injured and/or killed by cars in the Phoenix Park in the last 10 years?  I remember a boyracer hitting a family out walking with the child in a buggy around the Civil Defence place.  Ironically, he could repeat his act with the one way system proposed from Garda HQ to the Hole in the Wall pub...

If you use a search engine to search for ["Phoenix Park" died], the first few results are homeless deaths, a cyclist killed after hitting a pedestrian, and someone who died while jogging!

“We have already got some feedback of people not being overly happy in terms of commuting times but remember this is a park. It is in the first instance a place for people to enjoy in terms of amenity.”
How are people supposed to get there?  Take the Luas to Parkgate St and walk up?  They'd be knackered before they got to the Wellington monument! Oh yeah, bicycles are the answer.  Again.  But can you bring your bicycle on the Luas or bus?

It would be nice if they came up with an official policy for taxi pickup/dropoff around the Zoo.  Far too often, families spend 2 or 3 hours walking around the Zoo and come out and the children are knackered and it's a good 30 min walk to the front gates.  And then the taxi rank at the CCJ is full of unmarked police cars!  Should be an official taxi spot for pickups/dropoffs...
I remember sitting on the Heuston rank and a mulchie family all piled in, where to? The Zoo. You're f**king joking, it's around the corner...€7.

From then on in, I found that if they were going to the zoo I'd tell them about the free bus on the Liffey side. I was gone before they'd get back. 8)

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Re: park life
« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2022, 10:19:19 pm »
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« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2022, 11:10:54 am »
How are people supposed to get there?  Take the Luas to Parkgate St and walk up?  They'd be knackered before they got to the Wellington monument! Oh yeah, bicycles are the answer.  Again.  But can you bring your bicycle on the Luas or bus?

... or taxi or limousine.

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It would be nice if they came up with an official policy for taxi pickup/dropoff around the Zoo.  Far too often, families spend 2 or 3 hours walking around the Zoo and come out and the children are knackered and it's a good 30 min walk to the front gates.  And then the taxi rank at the CCJ is full of unmarked police cars!  Should be an official taxi spot for pickups/dropoffs...


Maybe an opportunity for the zoological society to enter into a sponsorship (in return for reseved spaces or whatever) arrangement with a local dispatch firm?
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Re: park life
« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2022, 11:29:11 am »
They have/had a deal with Cab2000.During the war their cars used to form their own rank beside the stalls outside while the park rangers used to try move independent drivers like myself away from another illegal rank on the main road.A lot of app work comes out of the Zoo and the park nowadays.

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« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2022, 11:32:02 am »
Makes sense. Fair play to Anthony supporting the society.
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« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2022, 02:52:20 pm »
If you hit a deer in the Park or anywhere in Ireland you must leave it but the next car can pick it up .I think its to prevent Hunting by vehicle .But if you strike a Game Bird with your car you can bring it home for the pot .
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« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2022, 05:49:35 pm »
How are people supposed to get there?  Take the Luas to Parkgate St and walk up?  They'd be knackered before they got to the Wellington monument! Oh yeah, bicycles are the answer.  Again.  But can you bring your bicycle on the Luas or bus?

... or taxi or limousine.

That's the great thing about taxis.  You wouldn't need a bike - the taxi will drive you right to the front door of your destination.  And you'll save yourself hundreds of euro because you wouldn't have to buy the bike in the first place!
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« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2022, 07:25:29 pm »
Makes sense. Fair play to Anthony supporting the society.
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