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Even Dublin's buses are too fat to work
« on: March 04, 2022, 07:18:57 pm »
Phoenix Park bus route delayed as gates found to be too narrow
Cabra gate on park’s north side ‘too narrow’ for planned service
Wed, Mar 2, 2022, 04:00
Olivia Kelly Dublin Editor


 
The first public bus service for Dublin’s Phoenix Park has had to be put on hold after it emerged the park’s historic gates are too narrow for buses.

The new bus route was to run from Heuston Station to Broombridge Station in Cabra, serving Dublin Zoo and the Phoenix Park Visitor Centre.

The route was a key component of the Phoenix Park Transport and Mobility study published in January of last year. Minister of State for the Office of Public Works (OPW) Patrick O’Donovan said it was “disappointing” a pilot bus service had not started and urged the National Transport Authority (NTA) to find a solution.

The Cabra gate on the park’s north side was to be closed to cars and used for a dedicated exit for buses. Traffic changes that came into force in the park on Monday included a one-way system for cars from the Cabra gate to the zoo, but the closure of the gate for the pilot service did not go ahead.

A spokesman for the NTA said it had transpired the Cabra gate was “too narrow for a standard single or double-deck bus, and for that reason NTA and OPW are looking at options”.

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However, Mr O’Donovan said the NTA needed to resolve the problem.

“The OPW don’t drive buses and the OPW don’t provide buses,” he said. “We want the bus service to go ahead. We have provided a route, and it is something I said at the very start was going to be a requirement.”

Protected structures
The NTA needed to provide a “specific type of a bus” he said. “The gates are protected structures and a double decker bus isn’t going to fit through them, so there is a requirement on the NTA to come forward with financial resources for the provision of the buses required to manage those routes.”


Public transport was essential to capitalise on the investment the OPW had made on walking, cycling and traffic reduction measures in the park, he said.

“It [the bus service] should be going ahead and as far as I’m concerned it’s disappointing that it hasn’t.

The NTA was “actively looking at a range of options with a view to bringing forward proposals in the coming months,” the spokesman said. “The implementation of any pilot programme will be contingent on a number of factors including the availability of funding.”

A 30km/h speed limit was introduced in the park on Monday and a stretch of just under 1km on Upper Glen Road, the park’s main southern road, was made car-free, in addition to the new one-way system on North Road from the Cabra gate.

It would explain why Anne Graham is looking for a new job. 8)

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Re: Even Dublin's buses are too fat to work
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2022, 07:47:48 pm »
plus ça change

2006 - A tunnel under the Liffey that leaked (Council says leak in Port Tunnel is routine)
2014 - A train that was really a bus (New Phoenix Park Tourist Train)
2018 - Luas trams that are too long for O'Connell St bridge (New longer Luas tram blocks traffic after its back carriage sticks out past O'Connell Bridge)

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The route was a key component of the Phoenix Park Transport and Mobility study published in January of last year.
Presumably, "Jan of last year" was Jan 2021.  In other words, they finished their research & published their results in Jan 2021...  And it's taken until March 2022 for them to figure this out?
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Re: Even Dublin's buses are too fat to work
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2022, 10:53:10 pm »
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The route was a key component of the Phoenix Park Transport and Mobility study published in January of last year.
Presumably, "Jan of last year" was Jan 2021.  In other words, they finished their research & published their results in Jan 2021...  And it's taken until March 2022 for them to figure this out?

Ah c'mon.....it's nobody's fault!!

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Re: Even Dublin's buses are too fat to work
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2022, 02:44:01 pm »
plus ça change

2006 - A tunnel under the Liffey that leaked (Council says leak in Port Tunnel is routine)
2014 - A train that was really a bus (New Phoenix Park Tourist Train)
2018 - Luas trams that are too long for O'Connell St bridge (New longer Luas tram blocks traffic after its back carriage sticks out past O'Connell Bridge)

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The route was a key component of the Phoenix Park Transport and Mobility study published in January of last year.
Presumably, "Jan of last year" was Jan 2021.  In other words, they finished their research & published their results in Jan 2021...  And it's taken until March 2022 for them to figure this out?
Watty, you're probably too young to remember this:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/tunnel-height-failure-to-cost-76m-1.393073

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/supertruck-showdown-as-minister-faces-hauliers-over-port-tunnel-height-25948170.html

Supertruck showdown as minister faces hauliers over port tunnel height
Treacy Hogan Environment Correspondent

May 22 2003 12:11 AM

SUPERTRUCKS 12 inches too tall for the Dublin Port Tunnel which are set to be banned from the city centre when the tunnel opens were put on display yesterday.

Hauliers claimed between 300-400 of the vehicles will not be able to enter the tunnel every day and will be put off the road because of the city centre ban.

The Irish Road Haulage Association will today meet Transport Minister Seamus Brennan and demand he allow the vehicles access to the city centre or raise the tunnel's height.

Five trucks including a car transporter were lined up at the Point Depot by the association. Two were "supercubes" - so called due to their bigger capacity. These are 30cm, one foot, taller than the others. Two, at 4.8m in height, will be unable to access the port tunnel, which will have a height clearance of 4.65m. Three others were 4.5m, which will be able to enter the tunnel. Jimmy Quinn, Irish Road Haulage Association (IRHA) spokesman, said the four major ferry firms operating from Dublin Port had spent the equivalent cost of the Port Tunnel on ferries with height clearances of five metres or above.

Mr Quinn said a significant number of Irish manufacturers depended on supercubes. While the association welcomed the tunnel, Mr Quinn claimed the height restriction has brought "ridicule on the country". According to Mr Quinn, supercubes can carry double the smaller 4.5m-high trucks. The ban on them was "ludicrous", he said. The IRHA said every motorway bridge constructed in the UK or Ireland in the past 30 years had a height clearance of 5m or above. Austin Gilligan, manager of Gwynedd Shipping, said hauling paper tissue for one customer once needed 100 trailers per month. This volume can now be carried by 56 supercubes.

John Fitzgerald, Dublin city manager, said the port tunnel was designed to international standards and was higher than most EU tunnels. He said when the tunnel opens it will take some 8,970 heavy goods vehicles currently using the city centre. Just 30 would not get through - about half of 1pc of the total.

The Minister for Transport has said the port tunnel will not be increased in height to accommodate supertrucks. The 4.65 metre clearance would remain.

He said Dublin Port Company studies showed less than 1pc of trucks would be affected by the height.
                                 


Mr Brennan is planning to ban supertrucks on Irish roads by introducing a restriction of less than 4.65 metres, in line with EU heights.

Mr Brennan said he heard 13 EU states had maximum heights lower than that planned for Dublin.


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Re: Even Dublin's buses are too fat to work
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2022, 05:13:49 pm »
Fat drivers
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Re: Even Dublin's buses are too fat to work
« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2022, 10:31:03 am »
Damn immigrants...
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Re: Even Dublin's buses are too fat to work
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2022, 12:43:35 pm »
The fat controller will sort it out!!

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Re: Even Dublin's buses are too fat to work
« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2022, 04:53:26 pm »
FAT chance
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