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Facial recognition tech
« on: May 25, 2022, 08:51:37 am »
ANYBODY REMEMBER WHEN THEY WANTED TO MAKE CCTV IN TAXIS MANDATORY ? I said this would happen and why it was dangerous for drivers if we had a wanted criminal in the car and a few trigger happy Garda .......The Garda Síochána is to get new powers to use facial-recognition technology that could lead to identification of criminals within minutes, Minister for Justice Helen McEntee is expected to announce on Wednesday.

The technology will be used along with artificial intelligence and expanded surveillance powers to allow the rapid identification of criminals from thousands of hours of CCTV footage.

The Minister, who is due to speak at the Garda Representative Association conference in Westport, is expected to say facial-recognition technology will greatly assist murder, child exploitation and missing persons investigations.

Gardaí will be able to feed an image of a suspect or missing person into a computer system, which will be able to compare it quickly it with thousands of faces captured on cameras.

The prospect of the Garda being permitted to use facial-recognition technology has caused concern among civil liberties and privacy campaigners recently.

At an Oireachtas committee hearing last September, the Irish Council of Civil Liberties (ICCL) said there was clear evidence of in-built biases in facial-recognition technology which impacts trust between police and communities.

     



ICCL legal officer Doireann Ansbro said the facial-recognition technology had been proven in other countries to have ethnic, racial and gender biases and “has enabled mass surveillance and discriminatory targeted surveillance”.

Safety and security
In her address to the Garda Representative Association’s annual conference Ms McEntee is expected to say she cannot agree with those who advocate for a ban on police use of the technology. She will say there are times when public safety and national security must override the right to privacy.

The Minister will also seek to assuage concerns about the human rights implications of the technology. Decisions on when and how to use facial recognition will be taken by a trained garda and never by an computer, she will say. “Basically, there will always be a human in the loop. The technology will only play a supporting role”, a source with knowledge of the proposals said.

There will be in-built safeguards in the enacting legislation, including a full impact assessment of the human rights and data protection implications of the technology.

The Minister is expected to promise the technology will not be used for indiscriminate surveillance, mass data gathering or racial profiling.

Innocent people
As well as helping to identify suspects in a crowd, it will also be able to exonerate innocent people by showing they were elsewhere at the time of a crime, she will tell gardaí. She will say the technology will be particularly beneficial in child exploitation cases, which often involve thousands of hours of video footage which currently have to be manually analysed.


The legislative basis for the technology will be introduced in the form of an amendment to the Garda Síochána (Recording Devices) Bill.

In its current form, the Bill provides for the use of body-worn cameras, automatic number-plate-recognition technology and third-party CCTV by gardaí. The Government will introduce amendments at committee stage to allow evidence collected through these means to be used with facial-recognition technology.

Ms McEntee will seek Cabinet approval for the measure before bringing it forward in committee stage in autumn. The Bill is expected to be fully enacted by the end of the year.

In her speech to gardaí, Ms McEntee will say that other police forces and agencies, such as Europol, Interpol, the UK's National Crime Agency and the US's National Centre for Missing and Exploited Children, already use facial-recognition technology and that gardaí require it too if they are to co-operate effectively with these bodies.
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Re: Facial recognition tech
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2022, 09:21:50 am »
Most civilized countries in the world have cctv and facial recognition in operation years .

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« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2022, 09:28:19 am »
I know but they wanted taxis to have CCTV .I wrote and objected on the grounds if we had wanted criminals in the car and the Computer informed the Gards .Containment of the Situation could mean the car and driver and criminals being contained as in the car being surrounded with you in it .You saw what trigger happy Gards can do in Blanchardstown .Still nobody charged with shooting /Murdering that Black lad .The neighbour who shot the Gards in the Foot is long locked up even though that incident occurred after the Shooting of the Black Lad .
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« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2022, 09:49:31 am »
I know but they wanted taxis to have CCTV .I wrote and objected on the grounds if we had wanted criminals in the car and the Computer informed the Gards .Containment of the Situation could mean the car and driver and criminals being contained as in the car being surrounded with you in it .You saw what trigger happy Gards can do in Blanchardstown .Still nobody charged with shooting /Murdering that Black lad .The neighbour who shot the Gards in the Foot is long locked up even though that incident occurred after the Shooting of the Black Lad .

Your man in blanch had many opportunities to put the knife down and refused. Probably more people killed with a blade in Ireland than a gun .

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« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2022, 09:54:02 am »
What is the reality of knife crime in Ireland?

Fears out of step with reality, although recent trends give rise to measured concern


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A selection of seized knives at the launch of a Garda campaign on knife crime awareness. Photograph: Niall Carson/PA Wire
By Conor Lally
Sat Apr 3 2021 - 01:01

The first weeks of this year were marked by a surge in knife violence in the Republic, especially on the streets of the Dublin. Several people were badly injured in knife attacks and two later died.

At the Dublin City Joint Policing Committee last month, councillors said fear around increased knife possession by young people was causing significant fear in communities.

“People are afraid to say anything to groups of young people because they’re afraid a knife will be taken out,” said Social Democrats Cllr Tara Deacy.

While such fears may be real, they are out of step with the reality of knife crime.

That is not to say there are not some recent trends that should give rise to measured concern.

Firstly, the number of people treated as inpatients in Irish hospitals in 2019 for “knife assault” injuries was 9 per cent higher, at 178 cases, than in 2018. The increase in 2019 was also the first rise in serious knife assault injury cases since 2015.


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Secondly, the number of knives being seized by gardaí is increasing every year. Some members of the Garda believe this is a sign of increased knife-carrying, especially among young males.

But an examination of recent trends puts those concerns, and the wider hype around knife crime, into perspective.

While more “knife attack” victims required inpatient treatment in Irish hospitals in 2019, the figures for recent years are much lower than what went before.

Between 2006 and 2011, the number of “knife attack” victims treated as inpatients in Irish hospitals was within a range of 230-270 cases annually. But between 2012 and 2019 that range was much lower, at between 165-195 cases annually.

In the years from 2017 to 2019 the number of knives seized in the Republic increased by 33 per cent. Last year seizures increased again; to 2,243 knives, from 2,145 in 2019.

Again, much like the increase in knife attack injuries witnessed in 2019, gardaí say some of the recent knife seizure trends should be noted and monitored. But they caution against the assumption that more knives being seized directly correlates with increased knife-carrying.


An accelerated Garda recruitment process in recent years means the Garda force is at record strength. That means more personnel being available to conduct pro-active policing operations such as searches. The more searches gardaí conduct, the more banned or controlled items they will find; guns, drugs, knives and so on. Seizures of all of those items, not just knives, have been increasing in recent years.

Recording system

In 2016, the Garda also introduced a new system for better recording all of the items they seize – the property and exhibit management system. Every time a knife is seized there is a much better chance than before 2016 of it being properly itemised in the Garda’s official records.

Experienced gardaí say at least some of the increase in knife seizures is attributable to the extra Garda resources and the better recording system.

Some are also convinced there is a growing culture of knife-carrying in parts of the Republic, just nowhere as great as the hype would suggest.

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Re: Facial recognition tech
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2022, 10:01:29 am »
That FRT has been in use by Dublin Shop owners for years unofficially ! If a shoplifter is caught and brought to the back of the shop by store detectives they are photographd secretly and that photo is uploaded to a security system .If that person ever enters a shop that pays into the system an alert and photo is sent to the Security phone .Orwell was right BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING but the Question is .WHO IS BIG BROTHER ?
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« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2022, 04:36:34 pm »
It was the Las Vegas casinos that invented and have used FRT fer many years.

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Re: Facial recognition tech
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2022, 07:15:15 pm »
ANYBODY REMEMBER WHEN THEY WANTED TO MAKE CCTV IN TAXIS MANDATORY ? I said this would happen and why it was dangerous for drivers if we had a wanted criminal in the car and a few trigger happy Garda .......The Garda Síochána is to get new powers to use facial-recognition technology that could lead to identification of criminals within minutes, Minister for Justice Helen McEntee is expected to announce on Wednesday.

The technology will be used along with artificial intelligence and expanded surveillance powers to allow the rapid identification of criminals from thousands of hours of CCTV footage.

The Minister, who is due to speak at the Garda Representative Association conference in Westport, is expected to say facial-recognition technology will greatly assist murder, child exploitation and missing persons investigations.

Gardaí will be able to feed an image of a suspect or missing person into a computer system, which will be able to compare it quickly it with thousands of faces captured on cameras.

The prospect of the Garda being permitted to use facial-recognition technology has caused concern among civil liberties and privacy campaigners recently.

At an Oireachtas committee hearing last September, the Irish Council of Civil Liberties (ICCL) said there was clear evidence of in-built biases in facial-recognition technology which impacts trust between police and communities.

     



ICCL legal officer Doireann Ansbro said the facial-recognition technology had been proven in other countries to have ethnic, racial and gender biases and “has enabled mass surveillance and discriminatory targeted surveillance”.

Safety and security
In her address to the Garda Representative Association’s annual conference Ms McEntee is expected to say she cannot agree with those who advocate for a ban on police use of the technology. She will say there are times when public safety and national security must override the right to privacy.

The Minister will also seek to assuage concerns about the human rights implications of the technology. Decisions on when and how to use facial recognition will be taken by a trained garda and never by an computer, she will say. “Basically, there will always be a human in the loop. The technology will only play a supporting role”, a source with knowledge of the proposals said.

There will be in-built safeguards in the enacting legislation, including a full impact assessment of the human rights and data protection implications of the technology.

The Minister is expected to promise the technology will not be used for indiscriminate surveillance, mass data gathering or racial profiling.

Innocent people
As well as helping to identify suspects in a crowd, it will also be able to exonerate innocent people by showing they were elsewhere at the time of a crime, she will tell gardaí. She will say the technology will be particularly beneficial in child exploitation cases, which often involve thousands of hours of video footage which currently have to be manually analysed.


The legislative basis for the technology will be introduced in the form of an amendment to the Garda Síochána (Recording Devices) Bill.

In its current form, the Bill provides for the use of body-worn cameras, automatic number-plate-recognition technology and third-party CCTV by gardaí. The Government will introduce amendments at committee stage to allow evidence collected through these means to be used with facial-recognition technology.

Ms McEntee will seek Cabinet approval for the measure before bringing it forward in committee stage in autumn. The Bill is expected to be fully enacted by the end of the year.

In her speech to gardaí, Ms McEntee will say that other police forces and agencies, such as Europol, Interpol, the UK's National Crime Agency and the US's National Centre for Missing and Exploited Children, already use facial-recognition technology and that gardaí require it too if they are to co-operate effectively with these bodies.
Garadí will have to filter out the ex-criminals/criminals driving taxis and their criminal passengers, as nazis like Doc and Octy might put it "A legal "MEIN-FELD"!! 8)

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« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2022, 11:33:32 am »
When you say "they wanted..."... they was a private company making a proposal to NTA / TfI. The proposal was never supported aor adopted by any relevant authority, erm.
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« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2022, 11:51:48 am »
Between 2006 and 2011, the number of “knife attack” victims treated as inpatients in Irish hospitals was within a range of 230-270 cases annually. But between 2012 and 2019 that range was much lower, at between 165-195 cases annually.

In the years from 2017 to 2019 the number of knives seized in the Republic increased by 33 per cent. Last year seizures increased again; to 2,243 knives, from 2,145 in 2019.

Again, much like the increase in knife attack injuries witnessed in 2019, gardaí say some of the recent knife seizure trends should be noted and monitored. But they caution against the assumption that more knives being seized directly correlates with increased knife-carrying.


An accelerated Garda recruitment process in recent years means the Garda force is at record strength. That means more personnel being available to conduct pro-active policing operations such as searches. The more searches gardaí conduct, the more banned or controlled items they will find; guns, drugs, knives and so on. Seizures of all of those items, not just knives, have been increasing in recent years.

Recording system

In 2016, the Garda also introduced a new system for better recording all of the items they seize – the property and exhibit management system. Every time a knife is seized there is a much better chance than before 2016 of it being properly itemised in the Garda’s official records.

Experienced gardaí say at least some of the increase in knife seizures is attributable to the extra Garda resources and the better recording system.

Some are also convinced there is a growing culture of knife-carrying in parts of the Republic, just nowhere as great as the hype would suggest.

I'm not sure where you got these figures, Tar but one suspects they are being massaged to some extent. Comparing 2006-2011 with 2012-2019 raises an eyebrow in the first instance simply through the selection of inequitable periods, the first of which at the height of a recession. Do you have figures on murders by stabbing? Anecdotal evidence (at least) suggests that must have increased in real terms since the influx of Eastern European migrants.
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