New Toyota Corolla assessment

[watty]

Financially EVs look good but how long will they last built in depreciation as you park it up to charge it not earning anything .

Most people, incl taxi drivers, charge their EVs while they're asleep.  Try filling your diesel car while you're asleep and see how far you get 

[John m]

Financially EVs look good but how long will they last built in depreciation as you park it up to charge it not earning anything .

Most people, incl taxi drivers, charge their EVs while they're asleep.  Try filling your diesel car while you're asleep and see how far you get 

Ah but what will you do if Billy the Bastard and The One we dont Mention have two Latvian Belly Dancers on a promise of a nice weekend in Kilmuckridge and they offer you 5 x fifties to get them down there before 3.30 AM .I can go the Phoenix on the Ballyfermot Road for two Scores worth of diesel in me Pyjamas and cover the Job .You would need a fucking long extension lead .

[watty]

FWIW, in the past week, I've driven Dublin - Julianstown and Dublin - Trim without even thinking about the battery.  Each trip was ~50km each way? No need to charge on the way back either.

Google says Dublin to Kilmuckridge is 128 km.  So as long as I had "half a tank" (or even 40%), I could drive straight there and use one of the listed chargers on the way back?   I'm guessing it would cost me a tenner each way

Dublin is at the top and Kilmuckridge (K) is at the bottom.  That's only the ESB Ecars chargers.  There are other chargers as well.

[Rat Catcher]

Have you done any computation of average fuel cost per kilo, Watty?

[watty]

Yes and no. Prices are crazy at the moment and a few chargers are triple the price of home charging so one has to plan ahead a little bit when charging.

In 2022 when things were more stable, I paid (approx) €1.5k for 28k km which is roughly €5.37/100km

[Rat Catcher]

I was gonna do a comparison but I haven't totalled 2022 yet!

aah 2021... I can do that, I think....

[watty]

I was confusing myself thinking about it but those numbers are for 2022, I think...because I got the car in Oct 2021.

[watty]

Diesel - pick your assumptions and go from there...

6L/100km x €1.80/L = €10.80/100km

[Rat Catcher]

Not as easy as I thought... with COVID '19 anall. I spent €1,110 on diesel, that's straightforward but kilometreage is subject to extrapolation given the following excerpts from my service records:

17/02/2020 = 150,625
02/04/2021 = 159,956
01/12/2021 = 170,754
09/02/2022 = 180,012

so I'd guesstimate
9,331 *3/13 = 2,153
+ 10798 = 10,798
+ 9258 / 2 = 4,629

which gives 17,580 kilos for €1,110 = €6.31/100 kilos

That's not right anyway... Not sure whether my computations or assumptions are out but, I'll go with the latter.

The car reports 6.7 litres/100 kilos for the last c.3,300 kilos which works out at €11.10 at the price I paid in Certa yesterday (165.8c/litre).

[Rat Catcher]

That reminds me... there was a thread about AGM batteries that I started when I thought I needed one during COVID '19 anall but I can't find it now.

Anywaysanall with a bit of advice from MfH I gave the car a good run (up to Portadown, if memory serves) and made sure it was driven for at least 13 mins per week thereafter and all has been good... until recently. I've noticed that the Start/Stop is something of a rarity these days with the engine staying lit most of the time I'm stopped at lights. For MfH really, I guess... is it time to surrender to a new battery or should I wait and see if the brighter, warmer evenings ahead might see it through to next winter?

[John m]

One of the Unknown knowns that is unknown .How much will Eamo the Onion or Gretta the Wizard charge EV owners for end of life disposal .Will a Scrapped Ev have any real value ?Anybody still playing Flymbo on their Nintendo 64 ?Have EVs got inbuilt obsolescence .Big Dommo cant get an Eight Track Stereo tape player for his 1972 Cortina .Who remembers VCRs .Electronics move faster than The Culligan brothers up a drainpipe .Watty what is your expectation for the amount of years service from your Ev ?Do you expect to get the full 9 or is it 3 and change it ?

[Octavia1]

Not as easy as I thought... with COVID '19 anall. I spent €1,110 on diesel, that's straightforward but kilometreage is subject to extrapolation given the following excerpts from my service records:

17/02/2020 = 150,625
02/04/2021 = 159,956
01/12/2021 = 170,754
09/02/2022 = 180,012

so I'd guesstimate
9,331 *3/13 = 2,153
+ 10798 = 10,798
+ 9258 / 2 = 4,629

which gives 17,580 kilos for €1,110 = €6.31/100 kilos

That's not right anyway... Not sure whether my computations or assumptions are out but, I'll go with the latter.

The car reports 6.7 litres/100 kilos for the last c.3,300 kilos which works out at €11.10 at the price I paid in Certa yesterday (165.8c/litre).

Fukin hell....not bad maths for a second generation migrant 

[Rat Catcher]

Thanks Octy... I actually qualified as an accountant many years ago. I guess, like many first generation migrants, my parents sought to take full advantage of the nation's educational opportunities. In my case, I ended up driving a cab for a living but both of my siblings followed middle class careers. I guess 2 outta 3 ain't bad!

At the kilometerage I cover I think I'd plan for 6 years and hope for 9 or 10, erm. I guess a ballpark figure for fuel savings (without taking taxation on resultant increased profit into account) would be 50%. Of course none of us have crystal testicles so we don't know how electricity and diesel prices might compare going forward or, indeed, whether we (individually, as a race or as a nation) will still be around in 6 or 10 or 12 years. Do you want to risk going to your grave having never owned an EV?

[John m]

Rodent the life expectancy of an EV changes the figures .My personal view is Hybrid looks the better option for Semi Employed drivers working a City .We are back to the Rumsfelds Known unknowns .The Japs are not rushing headlong into the EV Craze just yet ? I will apply for the EV Grant but if successful might not proceed I suppose there will be EV with 3 years service by the time I might make the decision which will be informed by then ..

[mercenary for hire]

Just saw that battery thing RC I dunno if I'm much use.Give it a good long charge with a trickle charger if you have one.Short drives might not be enough to keep it topped up.I use the cheap ones from Aldi and Lidl.Unless the battery fails completely I'd keep running it with the start stop disabled....they're fairly expensive batteries new.

If you're around Cabra you can take one of my chargers.Ya probably have a shed full of them though.