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« on: January 28, 2023, 08:13:47 pm »
Men with dogs, sticks and baseball bat attack Dublin migrant camp
Threats circulated on social media in recent days concerning camp where up to eight men have lived in tents since August

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One of homeless men pictured beside the tents in a wooded area beside Ashtown, Dublin, before Saturday afternoon's attack. Photograph: Dara Mac Dónaill
Kitty Holland
Sat Jan 28 2023 - 18:32

A number of men with dogs, sticks and a baseball bat attacked a migrant camp in Ashtown, north Dublin, on Saturday.

The group of men arrived at about 12.45pm at the encampment, comprised of about 15 tents in a forest area, on the bank of the Tolka river on River Road, near the Ashtown pound.

They shouted, “Get out. Get out” and “Pack up and get out now. Now.” Four had dogs, including a German shepherd and an American pit-bull terrier. One wore a black balaclava, while another carried a baseball bat and allegedly used it to assault a young Polish man who has been camping at the site since last year.

When interrupted by The Irish Times and asked why they were attacking the camp, the men – all white, Irish – alleged the residents had been involved in an assault locally.

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Between six and eight men – Polish, Croatian, Hungarian, Portuguese, Indian and Scottish – have been living at the camp since August, without incident they say. In recent days, however, video footage of the camp has circulated on social media, with one posting video on Twitter, saying: “It’s like a little village. They say they’re Irish? They’re not f**king Irish.”

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A similar video posted on Facebook on Wednesday has comments underneath including: “Come down. My dog ready to go”; “Bottle of petrol and that’s it good luck”, and, “They need to be transported to Dalkey!”.



Gardaí arrived at the camp shortly after the men and dogs left, and spoke to those living there. One, a Polish man (20) told The Irish Times he had been hit several times with a baseball bat. Visibly distressed, he said his arm was not broken. “I have strong bones, but the tendons are sore”.

Another man in his 30s, from Portugal, said they would leave the camp and most of their belongings and go to the city centre.

“This is serious. They mean business. We will just have to pack up and go, that’s it and not come back here. I will bring my documents and my bags and that’s all I need. It’s going to get worse if we stay,” he said.

A third man, from Hungary, was angry. Rolling a cigarette, he said he didn’t know how to feel after the attack.

“I came to this country to work. I became homeless because I got f**ked over. This is the last thing we want, to be homeless. We are here in this place seven months, very peaceful. Nobody notice we are here and then somebody puts up something.

“I would really gladly go back to my own country but this country owes me a bit of money. I like Irish people but when they start being racist, I cannot take it. That was scary. I never experienced anything like that, never.”


An Indian man (30), who had spoken to The Irish Times earlier about how he had come to live at the camp, would not speak after the incident. He dismantled his tent in silence and packed up his belongings.


Some homeless men live in the tents in a wooded area beside Ashtown, Dublin. Photograph: Dara Mac Dónaill
Before the attack the men showed The Irish Times around the camp and explained how they had come to be living here. The Indian man said he had arrived in Ireland in April to work as a cook. His initial job fell through and he couldn’t keep up the €550 a month he was paying to share a room. He became homeless in June and was sleeping rough. Since then, he got work for 25 hours a week serving food in a well-known tech company – a job he has held since.

The Portuguese man has been in Ireland two years, and lost his job in a city centre hotel after telling a “funny joke” to a Brazilian customer who, he says, reported him to his manager.

“I have been in Ireland two years. I was living in Cabra and I couldn’t pay the rent. When I was homeless first I hadn’t a clue how to get help. I was staying in a sleeping bag in Smithfield and then some people gave me information about where to get food.

“Then I met these fellas and we decided to come to this place because we thought it would be more peaceful.”

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The men lived here without electricity, toilets, running water or cooking facilities. They had fashioned shelter from tarpaulin sheeting, and one had built a shelter with wooden pallets. Each had a tent to sleep in and stored belongings in several more.


They said gardaí checked on them regularly, while rough-sleeper outreach teams brought food, sleeping bags and advice. They charged phones, washed clothes and showered in city-centre charities, including the Lighthouse, Mendicity Institution and the Capuchin Day Centre.

On Saturday afternoon they abandoned the camp. They did not know where they would sleep and were reluctant to go to hostels. The Hungarian man showed a large scar on his neck he said he had got in a hostel when “someone tried to murder” him.

“I didn’t come to Ireland for this situation,” the Portuguese man said. “I want better and when things get to this, we don’t want things to escalate. Portuguese people are very peaceful. We don’t want to fight with Irish people.”

A Garda spokesman confirmed there had been an “incident on River Road. Gardaí responded quickly and engaged with those present. There was no report of any injuries and no formal complaints made at this time.”

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« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2023, 11:04:54 pm »
The great irony is that the heads of the  EEC ( the  Germans )....open door policy to immigrants is driven by their guilt over their fascism during ww2  ...... now this open door policy is causing the rise in fascism  again all over Europe...

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« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2023, 06:58:59 am »
The great irony is that the heads of the  EEC ( the  Germans )....open door policy to immigrants is driven by their guilt over their fascism during ww2  ...... now this open door policy is causing the rise in fascism  again all over Europe...
Think it's as much driven by an aging population, and slowing birth rate, and someone will have to work and pay the pensions.
I can't understand how anyone would want to attack people living in those conditions. Nobody lives like that by choice, well maybe a few do, but not most.
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« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2023, 09:32:43 am »
The great irony is that the heads of the  EEC ( the  Germans )....open door policy to immigrants is driven by their guilt over their fascism during ww2  ...... now this open door policy is causing the rise in fascism  again all over Europe...
Think it's as much driven by an aging population, and slowing birth rate, and someone will have to work and pay the pensions.
I can't understand how anyone would want to attack people living in those conditions. Nobody lives like that by choice, well maybe a few do, but not most.

That idea about your pension not getting paid is  complete fallacy , a ponzi ....its a lie  and a threat for  you to accept mass immigration or you will end up in poverty in old  age ...manipulation at its finest ..in fact your national  pension fund was raided  and (continues to be raided) to bail out
Several mismanaged banks and  a debt to the EEC ....The national debt is out of control ..that will be the excuse used to reduce your pension when the time comes ...
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« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2023, 04:32:57 pm »
Racists are meeting today at 17.00 under the banner ARTANE SAYS NO in the Stardust/Butterly Business park.

I can just hear the chant "VAN GOGH HOME" 8)

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« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2023, 05:05:24 pm »
The great irony is that the heads of the  EEC ( the  Germans )....open door policy to immigrants is driven by their guilt over their fascism during ww2  ...... now this open door policy is causing the rise in fascism  again all over Europe...
Think it's as much driven by an aging population, and slowing birth rate, and someone will have to work and pay the pensions.
I can't understand how anyone would want to attack people living in those conditions. Nobody lives like that by choice, well maybe a few do, but not most.

That idea about your pension not getting paid is  complete fallacy , a ponzi ....its a lie  and a threat for  you to accept mass immigration or you will end up in poverty in old  age ...manipulation at its finest ..in fact your national  pension fund was raided  and (continues to be raided) to bail out
Several mismanaged banks and  a debt to the EEC ....The national debt is out of control ..that will be the excuse used to reduce your pension when the time comes ...
I was referring to Germany.
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« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2023, 05:17:55 pm »
WTF do they expect .The Protest is NOT about Racism that is just the vehicle .Did you know HOMELESSNESS is an investment opportunity/necessity ?? Let me explain .If the Irish State built half a million Social houses tomorrow .Who can apply ?The answer is EVERY EUROPEAN CITIZEN or refugee with permission to remain .That is over 500 Million applicants .The Irish State cannot give preferential treatment to Irish citizens over other EU Citizens .So the Solution to the HOMELESS CRISIS is for the State to build NO homes and rely on Private Capital that removes the responsibility from the State .By having a lack of housing it acts as a barrier to immigration ,saving the State Billions on Schools ,Hospitals and welfare .more than 80% of immigrants who gain Irish Passports immigrate to the UK as we can still work or live in the UK even though they are no longer in the EU under the Good Friday Agreement .

We do not distinguish between Irish or European residents for School places or Hospital services just like Irish Citizens can apply to send their children to school or hospital if they reside in another EU country .All the Free Money we got from the EEC back in the day came with strings attached .Homelessness or lack of State Funded Gaffs is just one of those strings .Young Enoch Burke is going to find out another The EU Human Rights Bill recognizes every genders right to exist and it will ride rough shod over the Irish Constitution that only recognizes Two Genders Male and Female .

People are fed up with Leo and FG/FF legislating for buggery ,land fraud ,offering billions to foreign land grabs and property grabs in return for a share of stolen tax monies from big corporations .Paggo the Ladder and Young Mick from Cork must be panicking now that everything Dale from the Book told me when he was over for the ball game is coming true .Big tech jobs are leaving and if big tech tax dollars follows we are fucked .Listening to the bolloxology of a shortage of houses because there is a shortage of building workers is crap .The reason there is a shortage of houses is because people cannot afford to buy them so they dont build them .
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« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2023, 05:23:19 pm »
WTF do they expect .The Protest is NOT about Racism that is just the vehicle .Did you know HOMELESSNESS is an investment opportunity/necessity ?? Let me explain .If the Irish State built half a million Social houses tomorrow .Who can apply ?The answer is EVERY EUROPEAN CITIZEN or refugee with permission to remain .That is over 500 Million applicants .The Irish State cannot give preferential treatment to Irish citizens over other EU Citizens .So the Solution to the HOMELESS CRISIS is for the State to build NO homes and rely on Private Capital that removes the responsibility from the State .By having a lack of housing it acts as a barrier to immigration ,saving the State Billions on Schools ,Hospitals and welfare .more than 80% of immigrants who gain Irish Passports immigrate to the UK as we can still work or live in the UK even though they are no longer in the EU under the Good Friday Agreement .

We do not distinguish between Irish or European residents for School places or Hospital services just like Irish Citizens can apply to send their children to school or hospital if they reside in another EU country .All the Free Money we got from the EEC back in the day came with strings attached .Homelessness or lack of State Funded Gaffs is just one of those strings .Young Enoch Burke is going to find out another The EU Human Rights Bill recognizes every genders right to exist and it will ride rough shod over the Irish Constitution that only recognizes Two Genders Male and Female .

People are fed up with Leo and FG/FF legislating for buggery ,land fraud ,offering billions to foreign land grabs and property grabs in return for a share of stolen tax monies from big corporations .Paggo the Ladder and Young Mick from Cork must be panicking now that everything Dale from the Book told me when he was over for the ball game is coming true .Big tech jobs are leaving and if big tech tax dollars follows we are fucked .Listening to the bolloxology of a shortage of houses because there is a shortage of building workers is crap .The reason there is a shortage of houses is because people cannot afford to buy them so they dont build them .
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« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2023, 05:30:21 pm »
The great irony is that the heads of the  EEC ( the  Germans )....open door policy to immigrants is driven by their guilt over their fascism during ww2  ...... now this open door policy is causing the rise in fascism  again all over Europe...
Think it's as much driven by an aging population, and slowing birth rate, and someone will have to work and pay the pensions.
I can't understand how anyone would want to attack people living in those conditions. Nobody lives like that by choice, well maybe a few do, but not most.

That idea about your pension not getting paid is  complete fallacy , a ponzi ....its a lie  and a threat for  you to accept mass immigration or you will end up in poverty in old  age ...manipulation at its finest ..in fact your national  pension fund was raided  and (continues to be raided) to bail out
Several mismanaged banks and  a debt to the EEC ....The national debt is out of control ..that will be the excuse used to reduce your pension when the time comes ...
I was referring to Germany.

The same lie is peddled by irish politicians Bob...
Had another  educated young irish woman in me car saying she's emigrating to Australia because her and her boyfriend have no future in ireland..... no prospect of home ownership and cant  save because of the rent ...meanwhile several irish politicians with multiple properties  and their cronies with hotels and hostel  continue to profit from ever increasing rent increases .....and the government allowing whole apartment blocks  to be sold to foreign banks ..who are profiting from the slaughter aswell .....hotels stuffing roma gypsies and alleged asylum seekers into them at the tax payers expense and giving them free housing as in the case of aisling Murphys killer .....all given medical cards and schooling on an already crippled health  and education system ...
That's what people are protesting about .....
 Irish People on the housing list for years see foreigners walk into new homes ahead of them ....and if they speak up .....ther labled terrorists , racists and subversives

This country has been sold on a pack of lies
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« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2023, 05:44:56 pm »
Occi go back pre WW1 .The working man owned nothing he was an indentured slave .100 years later and we are returning to that .Men afraid to strike as they might lose their home if they cannot pay the Mortgage or rent .Look at our business and Dockworkers during the lockout Men paying the bosses for work .You couldnt make this stuff up .Its an illusion of delusion people telling you what Gaff or Car they own when all they own is a loan on that stuff ,telling you what great stuff they got or gave for christmas while ignoring the Credit Union Loan that paid for it .
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« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2023, 06:34:43 pm »
It's just over 20 years since Ireland experienced an animal disease called foot and mouth disease.  The Government sent the Defence Forces to the Cooley mountains to stop the sheep crossing the border (or something like that).  It was an emergency!  Fast forward 22 years and there are 3,500 children homeless in this Republic and the number is increasing.  And nothing is being done about it.  There's no emergency!  I can't understand why the Government is not asked about it every single day  ::fight




@ Octy:  Yeah, you're right.  You'd feel sorry for the young people today.  There's no future for them in Ireland and they know it!  They should be out drinking and riding and having fun instead of living at home with the parents to save €50,000 cash deposit for a shitty little apartment out in the hinterlands of Dublin.
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« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2023, 06:51:10 pm »
Why build when there are no buyers? Would you bake bread if you had to give it away? Its all nonsense blaming it on poor people.

Look after own? Why don't parents downsize and give the excess to their children so they might have a future?

Plenty of money for drugs, but none for birth control.

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« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2023, 07:02:29 pm »
Govt is already paying out upto €1,800/month in HAP payments.  Over 20 years, that's €432,000.  I know there's inflation and stuff but surely the Govt could build (or hire builders) to build apartments and make their money back over 20 years?  Govt owns a shitload of land and has control over the VAT rate, the tax breaks, and tax rates for builders & tradesmen.  They could manipulate massage the market easily enough if they wanted to.




And, by coincidence, what did the Irish Times report last year? Inflation pushes standard cost of two-bed apartments to €440,000
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« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2023, 07:25:59 pm »
Occi go back pre WW1 .The working man owned nothing he was an indentured slave .100 years later and we are returning to that .Men afraid to strike as they might lose their home if they cannot pay the Mortgage or rent .Look at our business and Dockworkers during the lockout Men paying the bosses for work .You couldnt make this stuff up .Its an illusion of delusion people telling you what Gaff or Car they own when all they own is a loan on that stuff ,telling you what great stuff they got or gave for christmas while ignoring the Credit Union Loan that paid for it .
Within a few yers  Johnny...a country in Europe will have a facist government.... Greece, France or Italy probably...an others will follow
Wen that first fascist government takes over ....putin or putins lovechild will be turnin Russians away from the army recruitment centers cause they'll be swamped wit millions o them wantin to join up  ....an then weel
See the real ww3 ...another great war caused by Germany...a bleedin hatrick  ::fds
Wat will the American Jewish money do then ?

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