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The Muslim Solution?
« on: February 01, 2023, 02:35:43 pm »
I was chatting with a Muslim chap last evening about the homeless crisis and rent increases and such like. Anywaysanall, he shared his personal experience/approach with me which is broadly as follows. He has a good job and pays a small fortune in rent. His religious beliefs dictate that he can't directly pay a mortgage. He now has two Children and is in the process of repeating what we call his Child One scheme for Child Two.

The Child One scheme is simple enough - at least in basic terms. He has indirectly guaranteed a mortgage on a house which he doesn't inhabit and (in the current climate at least) is rented for a sum exceeding the mortgage repayment. He donates the excess to charity which he suggests satifies further obligations imposed through his religious beliefs. The perceived result is that Child One will own the house at the age of 22 and may inhabit the same should he so wish.

Ignoring any "Irish" interpretation he may have applied to religious doctrines or whatever... in fact, ignoring the whole religious bit altogether... could such a scheme be promoted by Govt for parents who want to enter into such arrangements and, if so, what would/should such promotion entail... pooled/shared schemes, matched contributions, tax breaks, rent guarantess, subsidised interest rates, anything else?
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Re: The Muslim Solution?
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2023, 02:52:46 pm »
I was chatting with a Muslim chap last evening about the homeless crisis and rent increases and such like. Anywaysanall, he shared his personal experience/approach with me which is broadly as follows. He has a good job and pays a small fortune in rent. His religious beliefs dictate that he can't directly pay a mortgage. He now has two Children and is in the process of repeating what we call his Child One scheme for Child Two.

The Child One scheme is simple enough - at least in basic terms. He has indirectly guaranteed a mortgage on a house which he doesn't inhabit and (in the current climate at least) is rented for a sum exceeding the mortgage repayment. He donates the excess to charity which he suggests satifies further obligations imposed through his religious beliefs. The perceived result is that Child One will own the house at the age of 22 and may inhabit the same should he so wish.

Ignoring any "Irish" interpretation he may have applied to religious doctrines or whatever... in fact, ignoring the whole religious bit altogether... could such a scheme be promoted by Govt for parents who want to enter into such arrangements and, if so, what would/should such promotion entail... pooled/shared schemes, tax breaks, rent guarantess, subsidised interest rates, anything else?
Muslims don't believe in usury - which is considered Haram, or forbidden. Which is the backbone of western society.

Muslims cleverly use the system of Hawala banking which has been around since before we left the trees and began to walk upright.

https://www.thebalancemoney.com/what-is-hawala-5197853

It has become very popular with certain sectors of the Irish population supplying recreational substances to our young, and income for older generations.

Once the toast of Cork:https://watchers.ie/2022/09/15/the-background-story-of-slimline-johnny-the-johnny-cash-of-cork-and-the-wife-well-all-has-changed-johnny-will-enjoy-his-spanish-omelettes-now/

'One of Europe's biggest money launderers' in court in Spain
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15 September 2022

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An Irishman accused of being "one of Europe's biggest money launderers" and a member of the Kinahan crime cartel has been remanded in custody in Spain.

The suspect is understood to be Johnny Morrissey, a 62-year-old Irish passport holder, who was arrested in Malaga on Monday.

He was in court in Spain on Wednesday in relation to money laundering.

But the hearing was held in private as is usual for Spanish pre-trial cases, according to Irish broadcaster RTÉ.

It reported that six international law enforcement agencies were involved in the investigation that led to Mr Morrissey's arrest this week.

Those included Spain's Guardia Civil, the United States Drug Enforcement Administration (US DEA) and An Garda Síochána (the Irish police force).

The Kinahan crime cartel was originally based in the Republic of Ireland, where some members were involved in a high-profile feud with a rival crime gang which has claimed several lives since 2015.

Kinahan cartel suspects operate in several countries and some alleged members have recently been hit with international financial sanctions from law enforcement agencies in the US, the UK and Ireland.

'Laundered €200m'
Europol - the European Union's police agency - released a statement after the arrest operation on Monday.

It did not name any suspect but it hailed the arrest of a man it described as "one of Europe's biggest money launderers".

"Linked to the Kinahan clan, the suspect is believed to have laundered €200m (£173m) in just over one year," said Europol.

Selling vodka
Europol claimed that an 18-month international investigation had led to the discovery that €200m had been laundered through the Hawala underground banking system, which it described as "an informal method of transferring money without any physical money actually moving".

It revealed that some suspects had laundered money by creating a brand of vodka that was being sold in nightclubs and restaurants in Spain's Costa del Sol "to disguise the source of their earnings".

Europol also said that companies had been founded in the UK and Gibraltar to help launder illegal profits.

Two other suspects - a man and a woman - were also in court in Spain on Wednesday.

The man was also remanded in custody while the woman was released on bail.

The UK's National Crime Agency (NCA) said it had searched addresses in Greater Manchester and Glasgow as part of the investigation.




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Re: The Muslim Solution?
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2023, 02:55:32 pm »
Interesting and all as that is... I deliberately wrote "Ignoring any "Irish" interpretation he may have applied to religious doctrines or whatever... in fact, ignoring the whole religious bit altogether" in an effort to concentrate minds on the substance of the concept rather than Muslim bashing,
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« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2023, 03:02:11 pm »
Interesting and all as that is... I deliberately wrote "Ignoring any "Irish" interpretation he may have applied to religious doctrines or whatever... in fact, ignoring the whole religious bit altogether" in an effort to concentrate minds on the substance of the concept rather than Muslim bashing,
I think,(being Irish by accident of birth) Islamic banking is a very fair way to do business. Sure, didn't your own Jeebas attack moneylenders? : 12And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves, 13And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves. 8)

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« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2023, 03:05:36 pm »
Again, interesting and all as that is, I'm nore interested in contributors' thoughts on the substance of the scheme and how it could be tailored into an attractive proposition for today's parents....
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« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2023, 03:06:54 pm »
Again, interesting and all as that is, I'm nore interested in contributors' thoughts on the substance of the scheme and how it could be tailored into an attractive proposition for today's parents....
Aah, The Bank of NOT Mum & Dad.

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Re: The Muslim Solution?
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2023, 03:10:32 pm »
Bank of Mummy and Daddy with some State subsidy thrown in, I was thinking. At the very least the State need gaffs for low/no earners so could readily guarantee rents... replacing vulture fund landlords with social enterprise housing associations or some such, if you will.... not to mention promoting parental responsibility which I woulda thought would be right up your street!
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« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2023, 03:13:52 pm »
Bank of Mummy and Daddy with some State subsidy thrown in, I was thinking. At the very least the State need gaffs for low/no earners so could readily guarantee rents... replacing vulture fund landlords with social enterprise housing associations or some such, if you will.
For sheer vote garnering that would be something high on the Shinners agenda, from my POV, that would be an ecumenical matter! 8)

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« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2023, 03:15:46 pm »
Maybe I should forward it to Deputy O'Brin?
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Re: The Muslim Solution?
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2023, 03:49:32 pm »
I was chatting with a Muslim chap last evening about the homeless crisis and rent increases and such like. Anywaysanall, he shared his personal experience/approach with me which is broadly as follows. He has a good job and pays a small fortune in rent. His religious beliefs dictate that he can't directly pay a mortgage. He now has two Children and is in the process of repeating what we call his Child One scheme for Child Two.

The Child One scheme is simple enough - at least in basic terms. He has indirectly guaranteed a mortgage on a house which he doesn't inhabit and (in the current climate at least) is rented for a sum exceeding the mortgage repayment. He donates the excess to charity which he suggests satifies further obligations imposed through his religious beliefs. The perceived result is that Child One will own the house at the age of 22 and may inhabit the same should he so wish.

Ignoring any "Irish" interpretation he may have applied to religious doctrines or whatever... in fact, ignoring the whole religious bit altogether... could such a scheme be promoted by Govt for parents who want to enter into such arrangements and, if so, what would/should such promotion entail... pooled/shared schemes, matched contributions, tax breaks, rent guarantess, subsidised interest rates, anything else?
Cud you  write like a taxi driver for starters an not like a legal accountant for the high court so us plebs know wat yur on about ?
All I made out of that was ...the Muslim was buying a gaff for his first son but not for his second who'll end up homeless wen he's 22 cause his da,s religion forces him to do so ......not very Christian is it ?
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« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2023, 04:20:09 pm »
Maybe I should forward it to Deputy O'Brin?
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« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2023, 04:26:59 pm »
I know what you're saying and all, Octy... and you're bang on, it's not very Christian but he's actually buying gaffs for both of his Children and it's not costing him a penny so, strictly speaking, it probably isn't very Muslim either.

Anywaysanall, what I'm saying is why can't our poxy Government let Irish people do the same thing for Irish Children?
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« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2023, 05:19:20 pm »
I know what you're saying and all, Octy... and you're bang on, it's not very Christian but he's actually buying gaffs for both of his Children and it's not costing him a penny so, strictly speaking, it probably isn't very Muslim either.

Anywaysanall, what I'm saying is why can't our poxy Government let Irish people do the same thing for Irish Children?

OK...tink I get ya ....he's renting a gaff for him an the 3 wives an the 2 kids ....an he's buyin 2 gaffs for the kids who are still in nappies but will both get a gaff each wen ther 22 ....tink I got that bit .....
So he's sayin he has to buy 2 gaffs for the toddlers cause god told him to .....
In the west we call that ....money laundering...dodgy as fuk ide say  O:-) C:-)
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« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2023, 05:24:13 pm »
I know what you're saying and all and you're bang on. What I'm saying is why are them foreigners allowed buy loads of gaffs without any money yet there's no houses for Irish people if you know what I'm saying and all...
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Re: The Muslim Solution?
« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2023, 05:29:08 pm »
How does one guarantee a mortgage "indirectly" for a house which presumeably is owned by yourself, and or, your child into which you are putting tenants to receive rent? In who's name is the mortgage? Daddy's income is partly taken as the qualifying income to guarantee the loan.
You must have a scheme in mind as to a possible government involvement in such a scheme. Is it a totally new concept? Please enlighten me in simple terms that both myself and Octy can understand.
My understaning of the way in which most muslims take loans is simply in the wording of the arrangement in that the lending agency "take a share in a joint venture with the eventual owner of the property". Muslims all over the world borrow money to buy property.
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