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Micheál Martin orders new government jet as he is warned ministers cannot travel in ‘rickshaws’
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Philip Ryan 

February 02 2023 02:46 PM

Tánaiste Micheál Martin has ordered his officials to buy a new government jet as he is warned ministers cannot be expected to travel in “rickshaws”.

Mr Martin, who is the Foreign Affairs Minister, told the Dáil a team has been established to consider purchasing either a new or second hand jet for ministerial travel.

The Tánaiste’s comment came as Fianna Fáil TD Cathal Crowe warned the type of jet currently used by ministers was involved in the major crash in Mexico with members of government on board.

The Fianna Fáil leader was warned in his briefing document, when taking over his current role, that the jet needs to be replaced by 2024 at the latest.

Speaking in the Dáil, he said a Ministerial Air Travel review group drafted a report detailing the strategic and financial impact of purchasing a new plane.

He said these reports were in addition to market research carried out by an aviation consultant on suitable options for a second-hand aircraft,

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“I have reviewed the various strands of work conducted to date and have approved the recommendation made by my officials. Ultimately, the State needs a replacement aircraft that provides a broad utility role, including strategic reach in crisis situations and medical evacuation, as well as ministerial air transport,” Mr Martin said.

“A project team is currently being established and planning for a procurement competition for replacement capability will commence shortly. The procurement will consider both new and second-hand replacement capability. The outcome of any procurement competition will be subject to further deliberation and consideration in line with the public spending code,” he added.

Along with regular ministerial travel, Mr Martin said the new jet should be able to assist with humanitarian missions.

Responding in the Dáil, Mr Crowe said all nine passengers on the Mexican government jet, including the country’s interior minister, were killed when it crashed while seven people on the ground also died.

“It is very important that technology is kept up to date and kept safe. Many years ago I used to pilot planes myself. Pilots do not like taking to a plane that is unsafe or may not be fully up to spec in its equipment or maintenance,” he said.

“It is important not just for government purposes, although that is what everyone will hone in on here, but for humanitarian missions and medical evacuations.

“We cannot expect members of the Government to be going around in rickshaws and we cannot just magic children who are overseas or Irish people who need to be repatriated home,” he said.

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Re: Government who won't travel in Rickshaws - Place order for corporate jet
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2023, 07:11:03 pm »
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Government jet was sold for €350,000 less than value
Spare parts bought for €1.4 million were sold for €53,000, C&AG reports

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The Government’s 14-seater Gulfstream IV jet, which had been in service since 1992, was sold in January 2015, for €400,000.
Fiona Gartland
Fri Sep 30 2016 - 14:21

Spare parts for the Government jet were sold for €53,000, eight times lower than their estimated value, according to the report of the Comptroller and Auditor General.

And the jet itself was sold for €350,000 less than its estimated worth.

The 14-seater Gulfstream IV jet, which had been in service since 1992, was sold in January 2015, for €400,000.

The C & AG report for 2015 said the decision to sell it was made because of escalating repair costs.

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A memo to government said beyond 2018/2019, retention of the aircraft would be unsustainable as it would need both engines overhauled at a cost of €2.5 million. Estimated costs for maintenance in 2014 would be €1.34 million.

The C & AG report said the Department of Defence did not carry out a formal analysis of “remaining life costs” for the jet. Such an analysis would have estimated future economic costs and benefits.


The General Officer Commanding the Air Corp recommended the aircraft should be repaired, in August 2014. And the deputy chief of staff also recommended the aircraft be returned to service.

But the then minister for defence, Simon Coveney, was told the aircraft was stripped down and blocking a busy production line at its manufacturer’s in the US, since July, and any further delay would incur substantial costs.

On August 15th, 2014, the minister directed no more work should be carried out and the jet should be sold for salvage.

No tender process was carried out to dispose of the jet and it was sold to US company Journey Aviation, for €418,000 in January 2015.

Spare parts for the plane, costing €1.4 million when purchased, and valued at €405,000, were sold to the same company in February 2015 for €53,000.

The C&AG recommended the department ensure cash flow analysis is carried out for all major items of equipment and decisions about selling or retaining such equipment should be made based on such an assessment.


In response, the department said there were “particular and extenuating circumstances” which were “not conducive” to carrying out a formal analysis. An informal analysis was carried out, it said, and the “most prudent decision was made”.


Fiona Gartland is a crime writer and former Irish Times journalist


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Re: Government who won't travel in Rickshaws - Place order for corporate jet
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2023, 07:12:42 pm »
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Denis O’Brien takes delivery of new $70m corporate jet
Gulfstream G650 is identical to the one bought by billionaire businessman 2½ years ago

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The M-YGIG Gulfstream G650 executive jet, sporting silver and black livery with an Irish tricolour on its tail, landed at Dublin Airport on Saturday
Mark Paul
Tue May 1 2018 - 06:00

Businessman Denis O’Brien has taken delivery of a new $70 million corporate jet, just 2½ years after he last bought an identical one.

The new Gulfstream G650, which is among the world’s most sought-after executive jets, was dispatched from Savannah, Georgia, where Gulfstream’s corporate headquarters are located, on Friday.

It flew from there directly to the Isle of Man, the location for a wide network of companies linked to Mr O’Brien, where the plane was registered and allocated the unique call sign M-YGIG.

The plane's ownership was registered at the weekend to a Manx company linked to Mr O'Brien, AC Executive Aircraft (2017), and documents show the purchase appears to have been funded by Bank of America.

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AC's shares are held in trust and the company's directors include Dublin-based aviation leasing consultant Margaret Clandillon. Her other business links to Mr O'Brien include acting as a director of Actavo, his infrastructural services company once known as Siteserv.

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On Saturday morning, the new plane, sporting silver and black livery and with an Irish tricolour on its tail, landed in Dublin, where it was photographed the next day by an Irish aviation enthusiast.


Aviation records show it remained in Dublin until Sunday evening, when it flew to Luton airport, where it remained at the time of publication. Mr O’Brien’s spokesman did not respond to a request for comment, and it is unclear if the billionaire was onboard the plane when it left Dublin.

The list price of a new G650 was $64.5 million in 2015, but is likely to have risen to beyond $70 million with “escalation payments”.

Mr O’Brien last took delivery of a G650 in November 2015. That plane, which was owned by another Manx company using a similar structure, is now for sale through O’Gara Jets, a broker in Georgia where Gulfstream is located.

O’Gara has not released the price it is seeking for the old plane, but similar models on other broking sites are available for more than $60 million. It appears Mr O’Brien may have had a trade-in agreement with Gulfstream.

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O’Gara’s brochure says Mr O’Brien’s old plane can accommodate three crew and 16 passengers, with facilities including a galley kitchen, several 26-inch television screens, Blu-ray players and passenger accommodation divided into three cabins.

It has clocked up 698 landings and 2012 hours of flying time since its registration in 2015, which would be considered heavy use for an individual owner.


Mr O’Brien, who is tax resident outside of Ireland, is known to travel extensively, including to the Caribbean where his telco Digicel is located.

Digicel, which is about to embark on a investor roadshow, used to pay Mr O’Brien between $8 million and $9 million annually for the use of his plane, according to documents filed in 2015 for its abandoned flotation.

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Mark Paul is London Correspondent for The Irish Times


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Re: Government who won't travel in Rickshaws - Place order for corporate jet
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2023, 08:28:20 pm »
So a similar plane was in a crash in Mexico.....so fukin what!!

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Re: Government who won't travel in Rickshaws - Place order for corporate jet
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2023, 10:29:27 pm »
So a similar plane was in a crash in Mexico.....so fukin what!!
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Re: Government who won't travel in Rickshaws - Place order for corporate jet
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2023, 07:30:14 am »
So a similar plane was in a crash in Mexico.....so fukin what!!
Is there an Irish El Chapo? 8)
Yes, Denis O Brien is his name and I reckon he would put the real El Chapo to shame !

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Re: Government who won't travel in Rickshaws - Place order for corporate jet
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2023, 05:33:27 pm »
Fair play to MMartin  :2cheers  If I could buy a private jet to avoid flying commercial, I would.  Just sayin'  ;)
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Re: Government who won't travel in Rickshaws - Place order for corporate jet
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2023, 05:44:24 pm »
Just a thought but there's probably a real threat from it the getting shot down over some kip it's not supposed to be in.We're not as neutral as we used to be.Air force wan as anti balistic capabilities.The new jet probably has better toys for eh... safety.I doubt it's a standard yoke.

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Re: Government who won't travel in Rickshaws - Place order for corporate jet
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2023, 06:33:39 pm »
Just a thought but there's probably a real threat from it the getting shot down over some kip it's not supposed to be in.We're not as neutral as we used to be.Air force wan as anti balistic capabilities.The new jet probably has better toys for eh... safety.I doubt it's a standard yoke.
The old Aer Force One was worn out by that woman balloon - Mary Harney.

In December 2001, Harney controversially used an Air Corps aircraft to travel to County Leitrim to open a friend's off-licence in Manorhamilton; the trip cost €1,500. Harney later apologised for having abused her position in using the plane for non-government business, and admitted that using the plane was wrong. The aircraft was to be used 90% of the time exclusively for maritime surveillance.

One of the Government gangsters also abused the Aer Force One...which was a Gulfstream IV:
Government jet searched for contraband ahead of US flight
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US CUSTOMS officials insisted on searching the government jet for contraband as then-Taoiseach Bertie Ahern prepared to jet off for a St Patrick's Day visit to Washington, DC.


The Air Corps was forced to make the plane available for an hour before takeoff so that the plane could be inspected.


At the same time, US warplanes – and flights suspected to have been involved in rendition – were routinely transiting through Shannon without being searched.


Reference to the controversial customs search is made in the logbooks of the government's €7,890-an-hour Gulfstream IV jet, which has been obtained by the Sunday Tribune.


An entry for 16 March, 2008, marked "NB" says: "Plane must be in Dublin Airport at 12.30 to allow US customs officials to check plane."


The Gulfstream eventually headed for the United States with the Taoiseach and his advisers on board. On arrival at their first stop-off in Scranton, Pennsylvania, two secret service agents joined the passenger list for the onward flight to Washington DC.


The logbooks also show how "junior" ministers were often booted off the government jet and forced on to commercial flights to make room for their more senior colleagues.


In March 2008, then foreign affairs minister Dermot Ahern had been hoping to travel on one of the government jets but was gazumped by Mary Harney. The Department of Defence offered a replacement plane to Ahern instead.


A note in the logbooks says: "Beechcraft offered to Dept of Foreign Affairs instead... Harney entitled to Learjet as senior minister... DFA refused Beech [craft], but will take CASA [another airplane] instead."


Detailed instructions on what to feed government representatives are also made.


On one transatlantic flight, Air Corps staff were told to serve food 90 minutes into the flight, with Mary Harney requiring a "light salad, no cheese as starter" and fish for her main course.


It was to be followed by fruit for dessert, tea and coffee, and fresh scones as the plane approached its destination.


Another minister with very specific requirements was Tánaiste Mary Coughlan, who asked for brown bread with no butter, tomato, mayonnaise and a yoghurt.


In special circumstances, regional airports were actually kept open late to facilitate ministers travelling home. On one journey to Brussels for Coughlan, Knock Airport agreed to "remain open until 20:30 to facilitate [the] mission". Changes were also made for personal commitments.


During one trip to Brussels, Minister Micheál Martin asked to return to Ireland via Cork so that he could attend a funeral. Martin also asked that the plane "wait in Cork" so that he could fly to Dublin.


Aside from the two government jets, the Cabinet also had use of other aircraft including the Beechcraft, the CASA and helicopters.


On one occasion in January 2008, health minister Mary Harney had been hoping to travel to Cork on board the Learjet. However, she was told the plane could not land due to high winds and was offered the use of a CASA fishery patrol vessel instead.


She declined, perhaps fearing a repeat of the controversy when she used the CASA plane to attend the opening of an off-licence belonging to a friend in Co Leitrim.


One potential controversy that might have been avoided was the embarrassment caused when it emerged that on 71 separate occasions, Central Bank staff had travelled abroad with their spouses.


The government claimed they knew little or nothing about it yet on a flight to Larnaca in Cyprus in January 2008, former Central Bank governor John Hurley was accompanied by his wife. A passenger on the flight that day was then tánaiste and finance minister Brian Cowen.


The documents were released by the Department of Defence in response to a Freedom of Information request with certain redactions.


The jets were also used for VIPs visiting Ireland with the president of the European Commission Jose Manuel Barroso enjoying a short jaunt to Cork on the Gulfstream IV.


Some ministers even managed to use the jet to save a few euro for their Departments.


Minister Willie O'Dea, on a trip to Chad, agreed that an Air Corps officer, who was due to start a tour in Africa, could jump on board. There were "issues with commercial flights" and it was agreed the passenger could use the jump-seat. Another impromptu passenger was the then EU Commissioner Charlie McCreevy who hopped aboard a Learjet flight to France back in 2008 in the company of Brian Lenihan.


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Re: Government who won't travel in Rickshaws - Place order for corporate jet
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2023, 11:53:16 am »
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