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Re: Sweden tells Ireland how to act on Immigration?
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2023, 10:34:14 am »
https://youtu.be/0sa2ciindUg ther a few years ahead of us ...but it's coming ...yous Swedish ate so dumb  ::)
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Re: Sweden tells Ireland how to act on Immigration?
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2023, 12:51:50 pm »
We're a long way behind Sweden, to be fair. I think their immigration numbers were something like 2.5% of population. Even in the wildest dreams of Sinn Fein we won't get to those numbers anytime soon. However, there are a lot of cultural differences between Irish and Swedes. While we are known as the blacks of Europe and have spread our wings far and wide the Swedes are a far more insular race, far smaller in number at c.10 Million compared to our 5 Billion. Sweden is a low crime high taxation State whereas we are a high crime low taxation State hence immigration is more likely to reduce our overall crime rates whereas it may well increase the same in Sweden.

Our real problem is education. Even the kids from the Corpo ghettos of yesteryear are attaining levels of education far in excess of that once associated with working class folk. Similarly, you rarely hear of kids leving school at 15 to pursue (relatively lucrative and skilled) trades. Hence we are creating a perpetual need for first generation immigrants to fill vocational roles in low and unskilled areas (driving, cooking, serving, cleaning, etc) as well as to practice trades. At what our right wing friends would consider to be the upper end (doctors, surgeons, etc) we are also increasingly reliant on direct immigration and second generation immigrants.
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Re: Sweden tells Ireland how to act on Immigration?
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2023, 01:11:39 pm »
You hit the nail on the head there Rodent .I contacted people I knew to see if their kids were interested in train driving or taking up Electrical Apprenticeships in the ESB as I was aware that they were recruiting before it was generally advertised ,and nobody was interested .When the NCH was being constructed South Inner City Community Groups were invited to make applications to have young people taken on as apprentices  I got 4 lads apprenticeships and they all quit within 6 months as the Apprenticeship rate of pay was to low .Young people do not seem to have the long term vision to take on apprenticeships or low paying jobs they want enough pay to buy a Canada Goose Jacket or a Gramm of sniff for the weekend .One lad took a job in a warehouse for 12.50 an hour and he is happy because he is on Mans wages .Wait till he has rent and kids to keep on 12.50 an hour .
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Re: Sweden tells Ireland how to act on Immigration?
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2023, 03:25:03 pm »
We're a long way behind Sweden, to be fair. I think their immigration numbers were something like 2.5% of population. Even in the wildest dreams of Sinn Fein we won't get to those numbers anytime soon. However, there are a lot of cultural differences between Irish and Swedes. While we are known as the blacks of Europe and have spread our wings far and wide the Swedes are a far more insular race, far smaller in number at c.10 Million compared to our 5 Billion. Sweden is a low crime high taxation State whereas we are a high crime low taxation State hence immigration is more likely to reduce our overall crime rates whereas it may well increase the same in Sweden.

Our real problem is education. Even the kids from the Corpo ghettos of yesteryear are attaining levels of education far in excess of that once associated with working class folk. Similarly, you rarely hear of kids leving school at 15 to pursue (relatively lucrative and skilled) trades. Hence we are creating a perpetual need for first generation immigrants to fill vocational roles in low and unskilled areas (driving, cooking, serving, cleaning, etc) as well as to practice trades. At what our right wing friends would consider to be the upper end (doctors, surgeons, etc) we are also increasingly reliant on direct immigration and second generation immigrants.

Yuv completely lost all credibility Rat if u believe that the population of immigrants in ireland is  below 2.5 % ...yur statement is actually laughable....a quick glance outside anyone's Hall door or stroll down any street in irrland would shatter that government statistical lie to pieces ...
First off ...do yu actually believe they are counting them ?
Secondly do you really believe that what has happened in cities all over Europe in country's that are ahead of us timewise in importing
100s of thousands of  economic immigrants an the  consequences that have occurred  ther will not happen here ?
Yur argument that irish people won't do menial work is also  another government  lie .
They won't do it because they arnt living 8 to a shed or 10 to a one bed apartment or 50 to a TD owned social welfare paid for hostal thats crammed full of immigrants claiming refugee status ....the hole thing is a con ..the policy of Europe  and of this irish Government is run by big monied sabateurs and traitors who profit massively  by bringing  down the cost  of wages ,reduce workers rights and end trade union membership ...this is why our young irish population is either stuck permanently at home with the parents or emigrating wer
They are paid a living wage in Canada or Australia...
The second generation of immigrants won't stand for living how ther parents did ...they won't become doctors and professionals because the opportunity won't present itself because the government will put them into ballymun style ghettos....and they'll turn to crime ...
Drug dealing and gang memberships...isis being a prime example ...
Second generation immigrants from Paris London an Berlin going off to Syria to fight fir Islam...no affiliate to ther natural born country
..no intergation ..only identity crisis , resentment and hatred of the west ....
I would put the population of immigrants in ireland to at least 35  %  easily ....how else do you think we have one of the most expensive property / rent prices in Europe?
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Re: Sweden tells Ireland how to act on Immigration?
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2023, 05:37:06 pm »
Apologies Octy... I just made up those numbers but I meant to say 2.5% per annum which I think might be close to the truth. The population of Ireland is c.5 Million not 5 Billion. I think what I was trying to say is don't believe everything you read on tinternet!

I know a good few second generation immigrants who have grasped the educational opportunities we afforded them... I know a couple of medical doctors whose parents came here from Eritrea. I know an architect whose parents came from Nigeria, in fact his daddy is a colleague/competitor of ours and I know a lot more who work in various IT roles. As you know, I'm a second generation immigrant myself and I was brought up in Coolock surrounded by corpo built ghettos yet escaped the lure of gangland activities... as did both my siblings, one progressing through the ranks of the civil service and the other currently CFO of a multi-national.

I agree that we need stronger trade unionism although I am somewhat surprised to hear such a liberal lefty communistic view from a right wing extremist such as yourself. I don't, however, agree that the same will result in our highly educated youth seeking careers driving taxis, buses, trains, trucks, etc or working in pubs/hotels or cleaning houses/offices, etc. The fact of the matter is the economy is at full employment in practical terms. Those figures include all the immigrants who have taken advantage of our open borders for the last two decades. Anyone who wants to work is working.... there aren't thousands on the sidelines waiting for Govt to send the immigrants home and increase wages.

The education system is largely focussed on the IT sector and the youths know they are the kind of skills they can take around the world and back again as they wish. We have always experienced significant emigration but today's world is a smaller place and today's  context is rather different to years gone by. Trying to equate highly qualified youngsters setting off on voyages of discovery to the steerage class emigrants of the 1800s is lunacy. They are not leaving with a tear in their eye nor are they leaving never to return.

No doubt some migrants will turn to crime but our experience to date gives no reason to suspect such numbers will be significantly disproportionate to the population as a whole. We already have a very significant gang culture and organised crime is one area in which we excel on the global stage.

Property prices go up and down... we're in a boom at the moment but the next recession is never too far away. Global economic migration may well help to smooth out the curves going forward... or, as you right wingers like to say, the market will find it's own level.
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Re: Sweden tells Ireland how to act on Immigration?
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2023, 08:06:23 pm »
Apologies Octy... I just made up those numbers but I meant to say 2.5% per annum which I think might be close to the truth. The population of Ireland is c.5 Million not 5 Billion. I think what I was trying to say is don't believe everything you read on tinternet!

I know a good few second generation immigrants who have grasped the educational opportunities we afforded them... I know a couple of medical doctors whose parents came here from Eritrea. I know an architect whose parents came from Nigeria, in fact his daddy is a colleague/competitor of ours and I know a lot more who work in various IT roles. As you know, I'm a second generation immigrant myself and I was brought up in Coolock surrounded by corpo built ghettos yet escaped the lure of gangland activities... as did both my siblings, one progressing through the ranks of the civil service and the other currently CFO of a multi-national.

I agree that we need stronger trade unionism although I am somewhat surprised to hear such a liberal lefty communistic view from a right wing extremist such as yourself. I don't, however, agree that the same will result in our highly educated youth seeking careers driving taxis, buses, trains, trucks, etc or working in pubs/hotels or cleaning houses/offices, etc. The fact of the matter is the economy is at full employment in practical terms. Those figures include all the immigrants who have taken advantage of our open borders for the last two decades. Anyone who wants to work is working.... there aren't thousands on the sidelines waiting for Govt to send the immigrants home and increase wages.

The education system is largely focussed on the IT sector and the youths know they are the kind of skills they can take around the world and back again as they wish. We have always experienced significant emigration but today's world is a smaller place and today's  context is rather different to years gone by. Trying to equate highly qualified youngsters setting off on voyages of discovery to the steerage class emigrants of the 1800s is lunacy. They are not leaving with a tear in their eye nor are they leaving never to return.

No doubt some migrants will turn to crime but our experience to date gives no reason to suspect such numbers will be significantly disproportionate to the population as a whole. We already have a very significant gang culture and organised crime is one area in which we excel on the global stage.

Property prices go up and down... we're in a boom at the moment but the next recession is never too far away. Global economic migration may well help to smooth out the curves going forward... or, as you right wingers like to say, the market will find it's own level.

I'm neither a communist or a right winger Rat.....I tink fir meself an just observe ..I've  observed this country going down the toilet by inept an corrupt career politicians who only live in the now and care about themselves an ther cronies an not on the future of the country and who continually lie ...wer not getting richer wer gettin poorer it's just that our children will pay the bill ....I've nothing but contempt for the political class including Sinn fein who I agree wit you and orhers wud bankrupt this country and possibly bring us to civil war ..
Wat I believe will happen in the next 5 years is at least one  right wing government in Europe will hold the majority and will win an election..
 and that country will separate from Europe and others will follow ...in ireland the far right will start accumlating recruiting as a backlash to uncontrolled immigration and these numbers will accelerate from a few nut jobs to large numbers and attempt to fill the vacuum of shit government weve had to put up with for decades ....I certainly don't want that ....I also believe the breakup of Europe is inevitable....and furthermore Russia is at war with the west and that situation will not end  even if putin is toppled and  very well likely to end in nuclear war ....wat will hasten that event is a right wing Europe or as Russia, China an the rest of the world will call it ...facist Europe....that will be ther excuse to go all in ..
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Re: Sweden tells Ireland how to act on Immigration?
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2023, 08:17:59 pm »
You hit the nail on the head there Rodent .I contacted people I knew to see if their kids were interested in train driving or taking up Electrical Apprenticeships in the ESB as I was aware that they were recruiting before it was generally advertised ,and nobody was interested .When the NCH was being constructed South Inner City Community Groups were invited to make applications to have young people taken on as apprentices  I got 4 lads apprenticeships and they all quit within 6 months as the Apprenticeship rate of pay was to low .Young people do not seem to have the long term vision to take on apprenticeships or low paying jobs they want enough pay to buy a Canada Goose Jacket or a Gramm of sniff for the weekend .One lad took a job in a warehouse for 12.50 an hour and he is happy because he is on Mans wages .Wait till he has rent and kids to keep on 12.50 an hour .
That lad has probably got his name down for a "Forever" home, or Corpo gaff if you will, just like his Da and his Da before him. Now all he needs is a clown of a session moth to knock up and he's moving up the points ladder. Communism/Socialism at it's best.

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Re: Sweden tells Ireland how to act on Immigration?
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2023, 12:36:16 am »
The standard rule of governence,continues to be to let every problem,find its own level. We continue to take people into the country and have nowhere to put them.The Garda are now going to check identity papers at the Airport one day a week.I could go on but whats the point.
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Re: Sweden tells Ireland how to act on Immigration?
« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2023, 12:08:03 pm »
I've never suggested that SF would fuck the economy up, Octy... nor do I agree with such assertions. I'm not a SF supporter because I disagreee with a lot of their historical actions on this side of the border including the way they destroyed the city with heroin addicts back in the 80s - or at least stood back and watched as that happened and the way they destroyed inner city businesses through protection rackets. I also disagree with their taxi policy which calls for self-employed men to be sacked on foot of convictions handed down by the British Judiciary, the same Judiciary that convicted the Birmingham Six and the Guilford four and further calls for relaxation of Garda vetting for immigrant drivers in line with the security trade - the only trade that currently licences more immigrants than the taxi trade.

However, as a socialist, I accept the numbers dictate that the liberal socialist republic of our dreams can only be achieved through a SF led Government. Wheteher that Govt will have the balls to make the radical changes required to achieve the liberal left State of our desires remains to be seen... in fact, whether such a Govt will even materialise remains to be seen. We do know that SF will substantially increase migration from outside the EU, in particular from Afghanistan, Syria and Iraq in an attempt to put us on equal footing with our EU partners. While I welcome such ambition, as CB alludes to, Owen O'Brin will have to work some degree of magic to find accommodation for the inevitable influx as well as for Irish born citizens who can't or won't house themselves. I don't think merely fast-tracking the asylum process will prove sufficient and I'm niot convinced that deputy O'Brin has the balls to take on the private equity funds that currently control State housing projects.
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Re: Sweden tells Ireland how to act on Immigration?
« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2023, 12:20:06 pm »
I've never suggested that SF would fuck the economy up, Octy... nor do I agree with such assertions. I'm not a SF supporter because I disagreee with a lot of their historical actions on this side of the border including the way they destroyed the city with heroin addicts back in the 80s - or at least stood back and watched as that happened and the way they destroyed inner city businesses through protection rackets. I also disagree with their taxi policy which calls for self-employed men to be sacked on foot of convictions handed down by the British Judiciary, the same Judiciary that convicted the Birmingham Six and the Guilford four and further calls for relaxation of Garda vetting for immigrant drivers in line with the security trade - the only trade that currently licences more immigrants than the taxi trade.

However, as a socialist, I accept the numbers dictate that the liberal socialist republic of our dreams can only be achieved through a SF led Government. Wheteher that Govt will have the balls to make the radical changes required to achieve the liberal left State of our desires remains to be seen... in fact, whether such a Govt will even materialise remains to be seen. We do know that SF will substantially increase migration from outside the EU, in particular from Afghanistan, Syria and Iraq in an attempt to put us on equal footing with our EU partners. While I welcome such ambition, as CB alludes to, Owen O'Brin will have to work some degree of magic to find accommodation for the inevitable influx as well as for Irish born citizens who can't or won't house themselves. I don't think merely fast-tracking the asylum process will prove sufficient and I'm niot convinced that deputy O'Brin has the balls to take on the private equity funds that currently control State housing projects.

I like the many loo one ...but it's clear they'd be more corrupt an inept
Than even the cnuts in charge now ........as I said in the coming yers a new opposition will emerge ....either way this country is becoming  an absolute shit hole ....the main cause of that is free for all immigration
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Re: Sweden tells Ireland how to act on Immigration?
« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2023, 12:32:25 pm »
It's a great country in many ways. Irishmen have always been chancers, corruption is in our blood, we've always been better suited to circumventing rules and regulations than devising, implementing and enforcing the same. Imagine the state the State would be in if we didn't surrender to foreign governance in the form of the EU. Similarly the Irish have always been a very liberal race evidenced in both our settlement around the world and the welcome we extend to those who choose to settle here, both individuals and corporations. Hence we have a rich tapestry of culture evolving into a ever-increasingly cosmopolitan State.
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Re: Sweden tells Ireland how to act on Immigration?
« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2023, 06:25:56 pm »
It's a great country in many ways. Irishmen have always been chancers, corruption is in our blood, we've always been better suited to circumventing rules and regulations than devising, implementing and enforcing the same. Imagine the state the State would be in if we didn't surrender to foreign governance in the form of the EU. Similarly the Irish have always been a very liberal race evidenced in both our settlement around the world and the welcome we extend to those who choose to settle here, both individuals and corporations. Hence we have a rich tapestry of culture evolving into a ever-increasingly cosmopolitan State.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2023/0218/1357388-diversity-marches/

I dove by this today Rat....
As ya can see from the rte estimated " huge crowd " of " 50,000  people "   the word exaduration comes to mind...  I rekon ther was a few hundred ther.... a considerable ammount of them wer immigrants  urged on by the immigrant council  no doubt ....  an Sinn fein wer present along wit a number of Palestinian flags for some inexplicable  reason an a number of rainbow flags an womens rights movement banners ....rte  has grossly overestimated the numbers ....why is that is  all I want to know ? Who in rte is misrepresenting the truth and for what agenda ?
Yet wen a group of residents gather to protest down at Eastwell at an unannounced refugee center placed on ther doorstep ....ther labled a far right nazis riotous violent  mob  .....

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Re: Sweden tells Ireland how to act on Immigration?
« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2023, 06:42:24 pm »
You hit the nail on the head there Rodent .I contacted people I knew to see if their kids were interested in train driving or taking up Electrical Apprenticeships in the ESB as I was aware that they were recruiting before it was generally advertised ,and nobody was interested .When the NCH was being constructed South Inner City Community Groups were invited to make applications to have young people taken on as apprentices  I got 4 lads apprenticeships and they all quit within 6 months as the Apprenticeship rate of pay was to low .Young people do not seem to have the long term vision to take on apprenticeships or low paying jobs they want enough pay to buy a Canada Goose Jacket or a Gramm of sniff for the weekend .One lad took a job in a warehouse for 12.50 an hour and he is happy because he is on Mans wages .Wait till he has rent and kids to keep on 12.50 an hour .
That lad has probably got his name down for a "Forever" home, or Corpo gaff if you will, just like his Da and his Da before him. Now all he needs is a clown of a session moth to knock up and he's moving up the points ladder. Communism/Socialism at it's best.
That lad has probably got his name down for a "Forever" home, or Corpo gaff if you will, just like his Da and his Da before him. Now all he needs is a clown of a session moth to knock up and he's moving up the points ladder. Communism/Socialism at it's best.

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Re: Sweden tells Ireland how to act on Immigration?
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2023, 10:20:29 am »
You can say that again, SB.

It seems a bit mad alright, Octy...

What do we want?
Open borders
When do we want it?
20 years ago
...well that was easy!

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