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4,200 arrive in Ireland WITHOUT documentation
« on: March 25, 2023, 07:57:33 pm »
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Just one prosecution in four years for failing to produce passport on arrival in Ireland
More than 4,200 people arrived at Dublin Airport last year with no travel documentation

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Landing in the State a without a valid travel document is an offence punishable by up to 12 months in prison or a €3,000 fine. Photograph: PA Wire
Conor Gallagher
Thu Mar 23 2023 - 05:00

Just one of the several thousand people who arrived in Ireland without a valid travel document in recent years faced related criminal charges.

More than 4,200 people arrived at immigration control in Dublin Airport last year with no travel documentation, indicating they had destroyed or lost it before reaching immigration control. The majority of these claimed asylum.

Under the Immigration Act 2004 it is an offence, punishable by up to 12 months in prison or a €3,000 fine, for an adult to land in the State without a valid travel document.

According to figures obtained by The Irish Times, just one person has been charged with this offence since 2019. They faced a single charge in 2019 and no conviction was recorded.

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Another person was charged in 2021 with attempting to leave the country without showing a valid travel document to immigration officers. No conviction was recorded in that case either.

The figures were released by the Court Service, which warned some additional cases may have been brought but not recorded properly in court records.


The issue of foreign nationals destroying or losing passports when entering the State has attracted significant controversy in recent months, as Ireland deals with record numbers of asylum seekers entering the country.

Security sources, immigration experts and the Department of Justice say there are various reasons someone might not be charged for failing to produce a travel document.

A Department of Justice spokesman said that in some cases people without travel documents are immediately “returned to their country of origin as soon as is practicable. In these circumstances, the question of prosecution does not arise”. He said prosecution decisions are a matter for the Garda and Director of Public Prosecutions.

A Garda source working in immigration pointed to a provision in the Act stating a person may avoid prosecution if they can prove they had “reasonable cause” for not having a travel document.

They also said humanitarian concerns and the administrative burden of prosecuting so many people for a relatively minor offence may play a role in the low number of charges.

Stephen Kirwan, a solicitor with KOD Lyons specialising in immigration and asylum, said it is a complex area of law. He said that the Geneva Convention on the Status of Refugees does not require asylum seekers to have travel documentation when presenting at a border.

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Additionally, some asylum seekers are accompanied into the country by human traffickers or “agents” who provide them with false travel documents and take them back before the person disembarks the aircraft.

Not having a travel document when reaching immigration “can be an indicator of genuine persecution”, Mr Kirwan said. “It can also absolutely be an indication of someone coming into the country on a false document, destroying that document and trying to enter the country for nefarious purposes. I think the reality is somewhere in between.”

Mr Kirwan said these aspects “assumedly” form part of the authorities’ decision-making when considering whether to bring charges or not.

He said that in recent months the Department of Justice’s Border Management Unit has stepped up checks to prevent people losing or destroying passports between disembarkation and border control. This includes checking passports while people are still on the aircraft.

Separate figures show there was a higher rate of prosecutions of foreign nationals who fail to produce documents showing their identity and nationality while in the State.

There have been 388 such charges since 2019. Only 16 per cent of these cases resulted in a conviction, however.

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Re: 4,200 arrive in Ireland WITHOUT documentation
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2023, 11:49:14 am »
Where do they trow all the passports and documents….to.
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Re: 4,200 arrive in Ireland WITHOUT documentation
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2023, 08:07:26 pm »
Where do they trow all the passports and documents….to.
Can you imagine if a foreign country sent a  passenger manifest to the receiving country, similar to a bill of lading? i.e I'm sending you 150 humans and this is the accompanying documentation presented to us.

Nah, too complicated. Even criminals running away from persecution have rights eh?

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Re: 4,200 arrive in Ireland WITHOUT documentation
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2023, 12:20:36 pm »
Cant comment on this forum….The walls have ears
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Re: 4,200 arrive in Ireland WITHOUT documentation
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2023, 03:43:45 pm »
12 months in prison and/or €3,000 fine is merely the district court limit... hence it could equally apply to any road traffic offence, licence violation, etc, etc. In reality these are what the yanks call misdemeanours which rarely result in anything more than a harsh word or two. As SF repeatedly stress we are a long way from pulling our weight as EU members when it comes to facilitating immigrants and we are heavily reliant on first generation immigrants to drive, clean, build, etc, etc hence it makes little sense to punish those who choose to come to our shores.

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Re: 4,200 arrive in Ireland WITHOUT documentation
« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2023, 12:20:37 am »
I wonder where the bus load of men who were turned away from the Army barracks…ended up?
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Re: 4,200 arrive in Ireland WITHOUT documentation
« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2023, 01:36:44 am »
In the same barracks according to RTE.

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Re: 4,200 arrive in Ireland WITHOUT documentation
« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2023, 01:52:33 am »
12 months in prison and/or €3,000 fine is merely the district court limit... hence it could equally apply to any road traffic offence, licence violation, etc, etc. In reality these are what the yanks call misdemeanours which rarely result in anything more than a harsh word or two. As SF repeatedly stress we are a long way from pulling our weight as EU members when it comes to facilitating immigrants and we are heavily reliant on first generation immigrants to drive, clean, build, etc, etc hence it makes little sense to punish those who choose to come to our shores.

Heavily reliant on cheap slave  labour to quash workers rights , wages and  conditions... mass immigration pushing up rents and property prices so the foreign banks and political classes and ther cronies  profit from renting out ther assets ....and our own children have to emmigrate to escape cost of living poverty and hopelessness of ever meeting ther basic needs ....whilst alleged refugees  are given preferential treatment in free housing.....
Yous irish  are a greedy sick race  ::)   cead mile failte me bollix

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Re: 4,200 arrive in Ireland WITHOUT documentation
« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2023, 11:37:10 am »
Get TRUMP over and build a wall before its too late   lol
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Re: 4,200 arrive in Ireland WITHOUT documentation
« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2023, 01:33:04 pm »
Do any of you immigrant haters ever operate an Irish only policy when picking up passengers or does money come first before your beliefs ?
"War: a massacre of people who don't know each other for the profit of people who know each other but don't massacre each other."

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Re: 4,200 arrive in Ireland WITHOUT documentation
« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2023, 06:53:10 pm »
Do any of you immigrant haters ever operate an Irish only policy when picking up passengers or does money come first before your beliefs ?

If they don't say " conas a ta tu" back ....ther not getting in  ... ::fds

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Re: 4,200 arrive in Ireland WITHOUT documentation
« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2023, 08:12:07 pm »
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Do any of you immigrant haters ever operate an Irish only policy when picking up passengers or does money come first before your beliefs ?

If they don't say " conas a ta tu" back ....ther not getting in  ... ::fds

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A kid said that to us at the Victoria Falls in Zambia...enterprising. 8)

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Re: 4,200 arrive in Ireland WITHOUT documentation
« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2023, 01:44:36 am »
Would yees go and ”poke the foal”as a Brazilian fella said to me one day
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Re: 4,200 arrive in Ireland WITHOUT documentation
« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2023, 03:12:32 pm »
There's little evidence of slave labour, Octy. You seem to imply that we could find Irish educated workers to occupy menial jobs sinply by increasing wages. That's pure nonsense. The economy is at full employment i.e. there's nobody waiting on the sidelines to drive our cabs, clean our houses, collect our garbage as and when wages are increased. In fact the only area slightly below what's regarded as full employment at the last count was Longford - read into that what you will, Boss.

Our own trade is a prime example of one that is heavily reliant on first generation immigrants - coincidently, I just processed last month's new recruits as identified by our bots and 75+% have names one would readily associate with migrants. Obviously they earn at the same rate as the few remaining white men. Arguably, they may make more by working longer or making better business decisions in choosing which dispatch firms they work for.

Our education system has probably evolved somewhat from what you may recall. Classrooms don't have a thick table for the kids that'll find their way into semi-state apprenticeships by the age of 15. They're called dyslexic or illiterate or BLTGWQUIX++ or whatever these days and sent to college in pursuit of shirt and tie wearing occupations... with considerable success, to be fair. I'd say you could offer Irish educated kids €500/hour to drive a cab and they'd tell yo to insert it into your posterior, they simply don't want neck down jobs.
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« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2023, 05:26:24 pm »
There's little evidence of slave labour, Octy. You seem to imply that we could find Irish educated workers to occupy menial jobs sinply by increasing wages. That's pure nonsense. The economy is at full employment i.e. there's nobody waiting on the sidelines to drive our cabs, clean our houses, collect our garbage as and when wages are increased. In fact the only area slightly below what's regarded as full employment at the last count was Longford - read into that what you will, Boss.

Our own trade is a prime example of one that is heavily reliant on first generation immigrants - coincidently, I just processed last month's new recruits as identified by our bots and 75+% have names one would readily associate with migrants. Obviously they earn at the same rate as the few remaining white men. Arguably, they may make more by working longer or making better business decisions in choosing which dispatch firms they work for.

Our education system has probably evolved somewhat from what you may recall. Classrooms don't have a thick table for the kids that'll find their way into semi-state apprenticeships by the age of 15. They're called dyslexic or illiterate or BLTGWQUIX++ or whatever these days and sent to college in pursuit of shirt and tie wearing occupations... with considerable success, to be fair. I'd say you could offer Irish educated kids €500/hour to drive a cab and they'd tell yo to insert it into your posterior, they simply don't want neck down jobs.

 yu keep sayin the same owld bilge  that the irish won't do " menial " work  because ther lazy .... ....its propaganda that fianna gowl has bean spouting for yers ....and it's a lie
Before the immigrants came....who do yu tink did all the " menial " work  here ?
The irish did it ....the bins wer collected an the hotels beds wer changed an the cafes had staff ....
Why did yung irish do "menial " tasks  all over the planet ?  ...why did the irish  do the back breaking work  building the canals and railways   and building in England?  ...why did they build the skyscrapers in Newyork?  ....Irish workers wer respected and indeed even preferred in some cases  over any others because they wer renound for hard work ....
You as an accountant/ econmist are not stating the fact that its economics .... I resent ya saying the irish are  lazy which is wat yu are inferrin constantly ....even tho I'm not irish I'm a celt  ::fds
If  yu analyse it  honestly   an more deeply an forget yur own reasons for talkin inaccuracies  yull come to the truth  ..
Thers  very complex reasons now why young irish are now leaving ireland in ther droves ...we are experiencing the" brain drain " again that we've seen that was a phenomenon of times in ireland back wen we wer in  deep recession or considered a third world country ....
Now we are told by Leo an his cohorts that wer booming and the second richest country in the world and our youth again are leaving ......WHY is that ?
If yu say ther lazy again then for me yuv completely lost all credibility

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