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Hutch Guilty or Innocent ?
« on: April 17, 2023, 07:12:23 am »
No real evidence against him .Recording s were gained illegally even the Judges said that .The Only evidence was offered by Dowdall .The one thing that stands out in this Trial was Dowdall naming other people as murderers that were not before the court and the judges not ruling that as hearsay .We all know Dowdall was originally charged with Murder because he got the room ..BUT is that all he done was he actually there or even one of the Shooters .Remember he got a Rats deal and had a Murder Charge Dropped .What evidence was there against him we will never hear .

If the Judgement is made on the heard evidence Gerry gets found Not Guilty .If Dowdall was more involved and the Judges Know it he could be fucked .If Justice is meant to be seen to be done we have not seen enough evidence .I think he walks .But what else did judges know about Dowdalls involvement ?
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Re: Hutch Guilty or Innocent ?
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2023, 08:04:18 am »
The prosecution case for a conviction for murder


A court artist sketch of Gerry 'the Monk' Hutch
1. The prosecution says Gerard Hutch was one of two gunmen disguised in tactical gear who shot the Kinahan Cartel member David Byrne in a "brutal and callous execution" as the victim scrambled on the ground of the Regency Hotel amongst "complete carnage" on 5 February 2016.

2. Its main witness, the former Sinn Féin councillor Jonathan Dowdall, says he and his father handed Hutch the keycard to a room at the hotel used by one of the gunmen the night before the murder of David Byrne.

3. Dowdall says that Hutch subsequently admitted to him that he had been involved in the murder when he met him at a park in Ellenfield, Whitehall in Dublin.

4. Secret Garda recordings between Gerard Hutch and State witness Jonathan Dowdall show the prosecution says, that Gerard Hutch had authority over the three AK-47 rifles used in the Regency attack and was looking for help in diffusing the aftermath of the very serious situation that developed. The men drove north to meet dissident republicans to ask them to mediate in the murderous Hutch Kinahan feud.

5. Hutch was recorded talking about the movement of the weapons at a crucial time in which they ultimately ended up in transit. He refererred to them as "these three yokes". They were found by the gardaí in the boot of convicted IRA man Shane Rowan's car two days later.

6. The prosecution says it is apparent from the audio recording that "a plan is being formed as a way to hand over these three 'yokes'. Mr Hutch can be heard telling Dowdall that "these three yokes, we're throwin them up to them either way". The prosecution says this is a reference to giving the three assault rifles used in the Regency Hotel attack as "a gift" to the dissident republicans in the north.

7. The prosecution referenced a part in the recordings where Dowdall said to him "you never admitted to them that was anything to do with yous and Hutch responds by saying "Yeah, he knows yeah". It says this was "clearly an admission" by Gerard Hutch.

8. The prosecution says there was "no denial or pushback" from Hutch in the secret recordings against implications that he was centrally involved in the Regency attack.

9. Gerard Hutch's responses to Dowdall in the audio show at worst a tacit acceptance of his central involvement in the Regency attack, the prosecution says and that "in truth" it was almost an expression of pride in the choice of the weapons.The absence of a denial the prosecution says, is an acknowledgement that he was part of the team at the Regency and doesn't demure from the fact that it would be a lie to say he never did the Regency.

10. The prosecution accepts that its key witness Jonathan Dowdall is a man with a "serious conviction" for a "disgusting" separate crime but that did not mean the judges could not believe his claim that the accused had confessed to the killing. Dowdall was sentenced to ten years in prison for falsely imprisoning and "waterboarding" a man who he suspected was a fraudster when he came to his home to buy his motorbike.

The defence case for an acquittal of murder


Gerard Hutch
1. The defence position is that Jonathan Dowdall told "two big lies" to the court in his direct evidence, namely that Gerard Hutch had collected a key card for a room at the Regency Hotel from him and his father on Richmond Road on 4 February 2016 and that Hutch had "confessed" to him in a park several days later.

2. Jonathan Dowdall is, the defence says, "a proven and admitted liar and perjurer". The prosecution case stands or falls on whether the Special Criminal Court can believe his evidence.

3. The defence says that Jonathan Dowdall is also a "master manipulator" who decided he would give evidence against Mr Hutch to get his own charge of murdering David Byrne dropped.


Court artist sketch of State witness Jonathan Dowdall
4. The only evidence against Gerard Hutch, besides Dowdall's "flawed" testimony, is eight hours of secret Garda recordings of conversations between Hutch and Dowdall in which the prosecution alleges the accused made tacit admissions about his role in the shooting at the Regency Hotel. There is no "unambiguous admission to involvement in the Regency anywhere" in those recordings.

5. There are, the defence says, however lots of references in those recordings that contradict the prosecution's case.

6. There are numerous references in the recordings where a court could conclude that the 'Hutch gang' was involved in the Regency attack, but the defence says "the Hutch gang cannot be equated with Gerard Hutch".

7. The prosecution claims Gerard Hutch had control over the guns used in the Regency attack and that he was going to gift them to the dissident republicans but "News flash", the defence says, "Mr Hutch isn't charged with firearms offences; he is not charged with possession of firearms. The prosecution had a choice of what charges to bring and they chose what charges to bring". Gerard Hutch faces one charge of murder.

8. The defence says that much of what is in the recordings could in fact amount to Gerard Hutch getting involved after the Regency attack "to try to deal with the fallout". They could suggest he travelled north to speak to republicans "to try to find an alternative to more bloodshed". There was talk of "mediation and peace talks" and that Gerard was "somebody to stand and be guarantor for the extended Hutch family".

9. The defence conceded that there were "arguably things said and discussed" in the recordings that "could suggest serious criminality on the part of Gerard Hutch". But Hutch is not charged with conspiracy to commit crimes and the prosecution has "nailed its colours to the mast" by charging Mr Hutch with murder.

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Re: Hutch Guilty or Innocent ?
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2023, 08:07:36 am »
The cynic in me says the SCC exists to give the 'right' verdict so 'Guilty'.

But, reading the newspapers, a lot of the evidence seems to be Hutch (bad guy) hangs around with bad guys so...nudge nudge... he must be guilty  :-X  Edit: I'm not sure a jury would find him guilty beyond reasonable doubt.
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Re: Hutch Guilty or Innocent ?
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2023, 08:20:43 am »
Unanswered questions:
1. Why no Guards at boxing weigh-in?
2. What about the suicide of the Ballymun senior Guard?
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Re: Hutch Guilty or Innocent ?
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2023, 08:21:02 am »
Watty here is My take on it .Dowdall was charged with Murder .What was his full involvement .If he said to the DPP when he got his deal .I was there I was the Lookout or something else then he was in a position to name the other three Shooters .His involvement was great .I can never ever remember in a Murder Case that a witness was allowed to Name other people not before the Courts as Murderers and it was not ruled as hearsay and struck off the record .

IF the Special Criminal  Court does Convict Hutch on Dowdalls evidence they have accepted that the other three are also guilty .How can they ever get a fair trial if the court has already accepted Dowdalls evidence .The Prosecution in those Cases could Call the Special Criminal Court as a Withness to say why they accepted the Evidence of Dowdall .I personally think it would be a great misscarrage of justice to find him guilty .Is he Guilty ?but is there enough evidence put before the court for the Citizens of Ireland to have confidence in a Guilty verdict and the fairness of the Judicial System ?I personally say No .The verdict will be Unproven .The Court will issue possibly a big written Judgment and in the End they will say they had no way to test Dowdalls evidence as reliable and based on that they find Hutch Not Guilty .
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Re: Hutch Guilty or Innocent ?
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2023, 10:35:41 am »
guilty.
if he's found not guilty it'll be an absolute comedy.
just like when the nephew walked when it was clearly him dressed as the woman shooter. the other two bowsies in the dock have'nt a leg to stand on either.

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Re: Hutch Guilty or Innocent ?
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2023, 12:31:50 pm »
One driver Guilty so far !
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Re: Hutch Guilty or Innocent ?
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2023, 01:06:25 pm »
two drivers guilty ......Dosent mean gerry is ??????? or does it
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Re: Hutch Guilty or Innocent ?
« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2023, 01:49:33 pm »
FFS lads used their own Vehicles?Why ?
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Re: Hutch Guilty or Innocent ?
« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2023, 03:42:49 pm »
NOT GUILTY .
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Re: Hutch Guilty or Innocent ?
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2023, 04:12:45 pm »
A terrible result for the Byrne Family but the Right result for Justice .
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Re: Hutch Guilty or Innocent ?
« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2023, 04:44:06 pm »
when he came out the door of the courts he was lookin for his lift but there was nobody there to pick him up and he was walkin up and down being accosted by a junkie. wonder is it an omen.

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Re: Hutch Guilty or Innocent ?
« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2023, 05:07:29 pm »
Doc Hutch was not the only one on trial here .The whole Judicial system was on trial .Supergrasses never work .Lazy Police Work .
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Re: Hutch Guilty or Innocent ?
« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2023, 05:10:35 pm »
Interesting result.

Good to see that the taxi profession is capable of producing murder accomplices as well as drug dealers!  We're a talented bunch  :P

I'm paraphrasing but the judge said Hutch was charged with being at the scene and basically holding a gun.  The judges ruled that the Monk and his family were definitely involved with the planning but it wasn't proven that Hutch was at the scene holding a gun.  Opens the door for other charges maybe?  Hope Hutch did his research and found a country that doesn't have an extradition treaty with Ireland...
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Re: Hutch Guilty or Innocent ?
« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2023, 05:19:55 pm »
Interesting result.

Good to see that the taxi profession is capable of producing murder accomplices as well as drug dealers!  We're a talented bunch  :P

I'm paraphrasing but the judge said Hutch was charged with being at the scene and basically holding a gun.  The judges ruled that the Monk and his family were definitely involved with the planning but it wasn't proven that Hutch was at the scene holding a gun.  Opens the door for other charges maybe?  Hope Hutch did his research and found a country that doesn't have an extradition treaty with Ireland...

Watty nobody knows what if any part he played .I bet there are Pubs full of Drinkers today relieved that Super Grasses are not going to be used .Both Hutch and Gilligan were found not Guilty in Super Grass Trials .I am delighted to see Justice in Action as it was designed Proof required .In the past I ran Football and Youth Clubs and Often went to Court with Youths who had no parent available or interested in accompanying them .I have seen kids convicted on flimsy evidence .But sending somebody to Jail for ever based on an Individual like Dowdall is a dangerous precident for Every Law Abiding Citizen .Dont forget there are Families of Dead Sons that were involved or caught up in this Saga and its them we should remember .

I have NO interest in Gerry or Enoch but I do have an interest in Justice .and Today was a good day for Judical Justice .
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