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Re: Know your Dublin
« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2023, 01:18:27 pm »
ROPE WALK PLACE [DUBLIN DOCKLANDS]-117269

Tarred hemp cables that were once stretched and twisted here to make ropes for rigging. There were many such ‘rope walks’ all over the docklands. Each one needed to be 100 yards long to wind a single rope.

 

A ropewalk is a long straight narrow lane, or a covered pathway, where long strands of material are laid before being twisted into rope. Ropewalks historically were harsh sweatshops, and frequently caught fire, as hemp dust ignites easily and burns fiercely. Rope was essential in sailing ships and the standard length for a British Naval Rope was 1000 ft (305 m). A sailing ship such as HMS Victory required over 20 miles (32 km) of rope.


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Re: Know your Dublin
« Reply #16 on: April 23, 2023, 07:39:34 pm »
ROPE WALK PLACE [DUBLIN DOCKLANDS]-117269

Tarred hemp cables that were once stretched and twisted here to make ropes for rigging. There were many such ‘rope walks’ all over the docklands. Each one needed to be 100 yards long to wind a single rope.

 

A ropewalk is a long straight narrow lane, or a covered pathway, where long strands of material are laid before being twisted into rope. Ropewalks historically were harsh sweatshops, and frequently caught fire, as hemp dust ignites easily and burns fiercely. Rope was essential in sailing ships and the standard length for a British Naval Rope was 1000 ft (305 m). A sailing ship such as HMS Victory required over 20 miles (32 km) of rope.
Generic flatpack apartments are now in Ringsend:
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Re: Know your Dublin
« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2023, 02:38:14 am »
Why is its name Blue Horses .Was it Corks answer to Laytown Races ?
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Re: Know your Dublin
« Reply #18 on: April 24, 2023, 03:01:32 am »


I took this photo on the Grand Parade in Cork today, nice bit of history behind the name.

"Sraid an Chapaill bhui" means street of the yellow horse.
It got it's original name from a stature of king george 11 on horseback, and the horse was indeed painted yellow.
It stood fer about thirty years back in the late 1600's or early 1700's and todays history has it that it was removed after falling in to disrepair, which was pretty unlikely as the english were still in power ??

A more likely tale of what actually happened the yellow horse was the Rebel republicans attacked it one night, cut it from it's mounting and lofted it in to the adjacent river Lee, hence there is a bit of proud repulican history behind the name, and why the name is still there today.



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Re: Know your Dublin
« Reply #19 on: April 24, 2023, 07:59:43 am »
Bid I spell Yellow Blue .Did you know the Cork Races were held along there ?When it was just reclaimed marsh lands .
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Re: Know your Dublin
« Reply #20 on: April 24, 2023, 12:33:14 pm »
 oops[[/move]Cant find Miszen Head on the Map….I have another Map but it went missing ? rofl rofl rofl
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Re: Know your Dublin
« Reply #21 on: April 25, 2023, 07:08:55 am »
ROPE WALK PLACE [DUBLIN DOCKLANDS]-117269

Tarred hemp cables that were once stretched and twisted here to make ropes for rigging. There were many such ‘rope walks’ all over the docklands. Each one needed to be 100 yards long to wind a single rope.

 

A ropewalk is a long straight narrow lane, or a covered pathway, where long strands of material are laid before being twisted into rope. Ropewalks historically were harsh sweatshops, and frequently caught fire, as hemp dust ignites easily and burns fiercely. Rope was essential in sailing ships and the standard length for a British Naval Rope was 1000 ft (305 m). A sailing ship such as HMS Victory required over 20 miles (32 km) of rope.
Nice one DMG.
We have a Rope walk in Cork too, located about 200 meters from the port.

In speaking of Rope, do you know what the term "Money for old rope" means ?

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Re: Know your Dublin
« Reply #22 on: April 25, 2023, 01:08:46 pm »
Must check that Rope Walk place out. Never came across it?
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Re: Know your Dublin
« Reply #23 on: April 25, 2023, 03:11:07 pm »
A lot of residents now living in Rigsend descended from fishermen brought over from Torbay in the U.K. to teach Irish fishermen different methods of fishing.

Ringsend's Great Historic Fishing Tradition Brought To Book
4th October 2022 WM Nixon
The Brixham-style fishing cutter St Patrick was probably the largest of her type ever built, yet this super-trawler of her day wasn't built in Brixham in Devon, but in Ringsend in Dublin in 1887 by the Murphy family, who designed, built, managed, manned and fished this superbly seaworthy craft from their Ringsend base The Brixham-style fishing cutter St Patrick was probably the largest of her type ever built, yet this super-trawler of her day wasn't built in Brixham in Devon, but in Ringsend in Dublin in 1887 by the Murphy family, who designed, built, managed, manned and fished this superbly seaworthy craft from their Ringsend base
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Cormac Lowth of Dublin is a one-man Irish maritime history institute, the first and last port of call for anyone seeking the facts about some aspect of our seagoing history, whether it's obscure or supposedly well-known. Quite how he carries so much information - and with continuing enthusiasm at that - is beyond most people's imagination, but the logic is that every so often, he should collate at least one strand of detailed research into a book, and he has done that with his knowledgeable fascination with the way that the Ringsend fishery in Dublin developed between the ending of the Napoleonic wars in 1815, and the outbreak of World War I in 1914.

This was thanks to a mutuually-beneficial dynamic interaction between the hotbed of fishing development which was to be found at the small but hyper-busy port of Brixham in southwest England, and the almost-autonomous maritime community of Ringsend in Dublin. It's both a simple and a complex story, and apart from the great maritime interest, it's a human story too, with the inevitable exceptional people involved in order to move things forward.

Cormac's book has been brought to publication by Hal Sisk's Peggy Bawn Press, and the official come-all-ye launching is at the Poolbeg Yacht & Boat Club on Wednesday, October 12th at 8 pm. It's surely the most-appropriate venue possible, as the type-defining St Patrick was built nearby - just a few hundred yards away - 135 years ago, and the photo shows her in what are now the PY&BC moorings.



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https://afloat.ie/port-news/dublin-port/river-liffey/item/56455-ringsend-s-great-historic-fishing-tradition-brought-to-book

https://www.jstor.org/stable/30101258
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0843871418804486?journalCode=ijha


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Re: Know your Dublin
« Reply #24 on: April 25, 2023, 05:14:25 pm »
There are two skiff rowing/racing clubs in Ringsend, St Patrick's, and Stella Maris. There are similar clubs all down the east coast. I rowed in one from age 17-45, and am still connected to it. These originally started to be rowed by men called "hobblers" who rowed out from many east coast towns to meet incoming ships in the hope that they would get there first to guide the ships in, and get the work unloading them.
https://lugnad.ie/hobblers/
https://dublinpeople.com/news/features/articles/2015/04/17/remembering-the-hobblers-tales/
https://www.mariner.ie/hobblers/
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Re: Know your Dublin
« Reply #25 on: April 25, 2023, 07:51:07 pm »
There are two skiff rowing/racing clubs in Ringsend, St Patrick's, and Stella Maris. There are similar clubs all down the east coast. I rowed in one from age 17-45, and am still connected to it. These originally started to be rowed by men called "hobblers" who rowed out from many east coast towns to meet incoming ships in the hope that they would get there first to guide the ships in, and get the work unloading them.
https://lugnad.ie/hobblers/
https://dublinpeople.com/news/features/articles/2015/04/17/remembering-the-hobblers-tales/
https://www.mariner.ie/hobblers/

Great history. there was a lady on RTE recently on a show about the Liffey who still rows after raising a family.

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Re: Know your Dublin
« Reply #26 on: May 08, 2023, 05:30:23 am »
Many Dublin 8 residents will be very familiar with Dublin's oldest chipper Leo Burdock's, nestled just inside our Dublin 8 boundary at Werburgh Street. A solid choice for fish Friday of old or a stop off on the way home from town, or an evening besode in the Lord Edward. Its reputation has spread globally and always a recommendation for visitors and there is a long and varied list of high profile visitors on the walls. But what about the lesser known life story of Leo Burdock himself?
Patrick Leo Burdock (1900–66), fish and chip shop proprietor and republican, was born at 219 Iveagh Trust Buildings, Dublin, on 20 May 1900, to Patrick Joseph Burdock (1873–1948), the son of a general labourer, originally of Townsend Street, Dublin, and Margaret (Bella) Burdock (née Bracken) (1878–1954), a shop assistant and packer. Patrick Joseph had a variety of occupations in the early 1900s ranging from shop assistant to porter, to tailor, to labourer, eventually describing himself as a merchant by the 1930s when the family fish and chip shop was becoming more established. Leo was the second of eight children born to Patrick and Bella between 1898 and 1909, one of whom, a boy, died aged three months in 1904. It is not clear what school he attended, but since his younger brothers, William and James, are registered as attending the local St Bride's National School between 1915 and 1918, it is likely that he was also in attendance there. A close-knit family, Burdock's paternal grandmother, a Wicklow woman by the name of Mary, lived in the flat next door to the family until she died in 1903. By 1904 the Burdocks had moved the short distance to 95 Bride Street. The maternal grandmother, Ellen of Co. Tipperary, was also residing there.
In 1913 Bella, an astute businesswoman despite being semi-literate (and unable to write), opened a fish and chip shop in Inchicore in south west Dublin, and named it after her eldest son. Living on the edge of the district known as 'Little Italy' which stretched from Werburgh Street east towards Whitefriar Street, she might well have been inspired by the numerous Italian-run fish and chip shops close to her home. From an early age Burdock helped out with the business by collecting the fish and potatoes every morning from the city markets on his horse and cart. In 1916 the Burdocks opened a second shop close to their home in Werburgh Street, and over the next two decades they expanded the business to include a further five shops around the south inner city including the districts of Rialto, Dolphin's Barn, Marrowbone Lane and Cornmarket. The idea apparently was to leave one shop to each of their children, and while the sons managed the various businesses in the early years, the 1940s proved a difficult time due to shortages of food and other raw materials such as coal. By the late 1950s all but the Werburgh Street shop had closed.
From a political perspective, the period from 1916 to 1922 was a coming of age time for Burdock who, as a sixteen-year-old youth, had witnessed first-hand the Easter rebellion as it unfolded in Dublin. Moved by what he saw in the ensuing years, he joined the Dublin Brigade of the Irish Republican Army (IRA) in November 1920 to fight for Irish independence. He was a private in C. Company III Battalion, and as a 'very efficient volunteer … always ready for action' (Military Service Pensions Collection), Burdock carried out armed patrols of the C. Company district of the south inner city. In April and May 1921, he was involved in a number of ambushes on Black and Tan lorries at Redmond's Hill, Grafton Street, Harcourt Street and Dartmouth Road where he fired shots and lobbed bombs and hand grenades into the moving vehicles. After the war of independence Burdock continued fighting in the civil war on the anti-treaty side and in September 1922 was involved in two attacks on the intelligence department of the Free State Army at Oriel House, Westland Row. At the end of the war Burdock was arrested and imprisoned for a short spell in Mountjoy gaol.
After the establishment of the Irish Free State in 1922 Burdock's involvement with the republican movement continued. When the IRA took the decision to support the transport workers in a major strike against the Dublin United Tramway Company in March 1935, the government ordered the arrests of over forty prominent IRA members including Burdock, who subsequently served six months in the Curragh military prison. The Burdock family supported his involvement in the republican movement and evidence from the national press suggests they had strong republican allegiances. Two of the Burdock brothers, James and Joseph, were arrested in 1934 and 1941 respectively, for possession of arms and ammunition. In the latter case a pram containing revolvers, rifles, hand grenades and ammunition was found during a police search of the fish and chip shop at Marrowbone Lane. Joseph, when questioned over the find, denied knowledge but claimed responsibility in order to keep his father's good name intact.
On his release from prison at the age of thirty-five, Burdock met Annie Doyle, a messenger's daughter from Griffith Terrace, South Earl Street, in the Liberties. Despite being the second eldest of his siblings, Burdock was among the last to wed and on 13 September 1937 he married Annie at the nearby St Catherine's church, Meath Street. After the wedding Burdock moved from Marrowbone Lane to set up home with Annie at Griffith Terrace and it was at this address that he remained for the rest of his life. In 1946 he applied for and was awarded a military service pension of £21, 11s. per annum for his IRA service. This helped maintain financial stability for his family after the closure of most of their shops in the aftermath of the war. It was a welcome addition to the Burdock household income since Annie had just given birth to their only child, a son named Brian. Despite challenges from rivals, particularly in the 1950s when many Italian-owned 'chippers' opened in Dublin, 'Leo Burdock's' on Werburgh Street continued to prosper.
In 1954 Burdock's mother Bella, then resident at 28 Southern Cross Avenue, Inchicore, died from cancer in Harold's Cross Hospice. Her son continued to work in the family shop until he died on 23 September 1966, also from cancer. He was survived by his wife Annie and son Brian, and after his funeral mass in St Catherine's, Meath Street, was buried with full military honours from the 'old IRA' in Mount Jerome cemetery. Annie died twelve years later on 25 November 1978, at which point the running of by-then famous Werburgh Street chipper was continued by Brian and his cousin Paddy Burdock. Towards the end of the twentieth century the company name was sold to a franchise and a number of Leo Burdock outlets opened up around the city, the first of which was in Rathmines in 1994.
Biographical text by Frank Cullen for the dictionary of Irish biography and shared under creative commons license attribution 4.0 International
https://www.dib.ie/biography/burdock-patrick-leo-a10134
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Re: Know your Dublin
« Reply #27 on: May 08, 2023, 11:47:51 pm »
Many Dublin 8 residents will be very familiar with Dublin's oldest chipper Leo Burdock's, nestled just inside our Dublin 8 boundary at Werburgh Street. A solid choice for fish Friday of old or a stop off on the way home from town, or an evening besode in the Lord Edward. Its reputation has spread globally and always a recommendation for visitors and there is a long and varied list of high profile visitors on the walls. But what about the lesser known life story of Leo Burdock himself?
Patrick Leo Burdock (1900–66), fish and chip shop proprietor and republican, was born at 219 Iveagh Trust Buildings, Dublin, on 20 May 1900, to Patrick Joseph Burdock (1873–1948), the son of a general labourer, originally of Townsend Street, Dublin, and Margaret (Bella) Burdock (née Bracken) (1878–1954), a shop assistant and packer. Patrick Joseph had a variety of occupations in the early 1900s ranging from shop assistant to porter, to tailor, to labourer, eventually describing himself as a merchant by the 1930s when the family fish and chip shop was becoming more established. Leo was the second of eight children born to Patrick and Bella between 1898 and 1909, one of whom, a boy, died aged three months in 1904. It is not clear what school he attended, but since his younger brothers, William and James, are registered as attending the local St Bride's National School between 1915 and 1918, it is likely that he was also in attendance there. A close-knit family, Burdock's paternal grandmother, a Wicklow woman by the name of Mary, lived in the flat next door to the family until she died in 1903. By 1904 the Burdocks had moved the short distance to 95 Bride Street. The maternal grandmother, Ellen of Co. Tipperary, was also residing there.
In 1913 Bella, an astute businesswoman despite being semi-literate (and unable to write), opened a fish and chip shop in Inchicore in south west Dublin, and named it after her eldest son. Living on the edge of the district known as 'Little Italy' which stretched from Werburgh Street east towards Whitefriar Street, she might well have been inspired by the numerous Italian-run fish and chip shops close to her home. From an early age Burdock helped out with the business by collecting the fish and potatoes every morning from the city markets on his horse and cart. In 1916 the Burdocks opened a second shop close to their home in Werburgh Street, and over the next two decades they expanded the business to include a further five shops around the south inner city including the districts of Rialto, Dolphin's Barn, Marrowbone Lane and Cornmarket. The idea apparently was to leave one shop to each of their children, and while the sons managed the various businesses in the early years, the 1940s proved a difficult time due to shortages of food and other raw materials such as coal. By the late 1950s all but the Werburgh Street shop had closed.
From a political perspective, the period from 1916 to 1922 was a coming of age time for Burdock who, as a sixteen-year-old youth, had witnessed first-hand the Easter rebellion as it unfolded in Dublin. Moved by what he saw in the ensuing years, he joined the Dublin Brigade of the Irish Republican Army (IRA) in November 1920 to fight for Irish independence. He was a private in C. Company III Battalion, and as a 'very efficient volunteer … always ready for action' (Military Service Pensions Collection), Burdock carried out armed patrols of the C. Company district of the south inner city. In April and May 1921, he was involved in a number of ambushes on Black and Tan lorries at Redmond's Hill, Grafton Street, Harcourt Street and Dartmouth Road where he fired shots and lobbed bombs and hand grenades into the moving vehicles. After the war of independence Burdock continued fighting in the civil war on the anti-treaty side and in September 1922 was involved in two attacks on the intelligence department of the Free State Army at Oriel House, Westland Row. At the end of the war Burdock was arrested and imprisoned for a short spell in Mountjoy gaol.
After the establishment of the Irish Free State in 1922 Burdock's involvement with the republican movement continued. When the IRA took the decision to support the transport workers in a major strike against the Dublin United Tramway Company in March 1935, the government ordered the arrests of over forty prominent IRA members including Burdock, who subsequently served six months in the Curragh military prison. The Burdock family supported his involvement in the republican movement and evidence from the national press suggests they had strong republican allegiances. Two of the Burdock brothers, James and Joseph, were arrested in 1934 and 1941 respectively, for possession of arms and ammunition. In the latter case a pram containing revolvers, rifles, hand grenades and ammunition was found during a police search of the fish and chip shop at Marrowbone Lane. Joseph, when questioned over the find, denied knowledge but claimed responsibility in order to keep his father's good name intact.
On his release from prison at the age of thirty-five, Burdock met Annie Doyle, a messenger's daughter from Griffith Terrace, South Earl Street, in the Liberties. Despite being the second eldest of his siblings, Burdock was among the last to wed and on 13 September 1937 he married Annie at the nearby St Catherine's church, Meath Street. After the wedding Burdock moved from Marrowbone Lane to set up home with Annie at Griffith Terrace and it was at this address that he remained for the rest of his life. In 1946 he applied for and was awarded a military service pension of £21, 11s. per annum for his IRA service. This helped maintain financial stability for his family after the closure of most of their shops in the aftermath of the war. It was a welcome addition to the Burdock household income since Annie had just given birth to their only child, a son named Brian. Despite challenges from rivals, particularly in the 1950s when many Italian-owned 'chippers' opened in Dublin, 'Leo Burdock's' on Werburgh Street continued to prosper.
In 1954 Burdock's mother Bella, then resident at 28 Southern Cross Avenue, Inchicore, died from cancer in Harold's Cross Hospice. Her son continued to work in the family shop until he died on 23 September 1966, also from cancer. He was survived by his wife Annie and son Brian, and after his funeral mass in St Catherine's, Meath Street, was buried with full military honours from the 'old IRA' in Mount Jerome cemetery. Annie died twelve years later on 25 November 1978, at which point the running of by-then famous Werburgh Street chipper was continued by Brian and his cousin Paddy Burdock. Towards the end of the twentieth century the company name was sold to a franchise and a number of Leo Burdock outlets opened up around the city, the first of which was in Rathmines in 1994.
Biographical text by Frank Cullen for the dictionary of Irish biography and shared under creative commons license attribution 4.0 International
https://www.dib.ie/biography/burdock-patrick-leo-a10134
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Re: Know your Dublin
« Reply #28 on: May 09, 2023, 10:54:31 am »
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« Reply #29 on: May 09, 2023, 05:05:35 pm »
Think they sell The Big Issue around Christchurch? Thr guy on the right does a bit of busking as well.
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