Rugby World Cup ?

[silverbullet]

New Zealand  V England or South Africa.

Should be South Africa .You can have a bet on South Africa and whichever wins you collect a few quid .

A shite game overall. A friend of mine, a Man Utd supporter, ex-drug dealer, and armed robber, allegedly, now full-on Sinn Féin supporter cheered because England lost. Doesn't see the irony.

[watty]

NZ beat us by kicking the ball over our heads and making us turn around. Engerland nearly won by doing the same.  Is a new style of rugby emerging? Should be an 'interesting' final...

[John m]

Its Ali Fraser NZ have all the craft SA ha e the brawn.I still think NZ are to old SA will finish the stronger.Great final .

[watty]

I think you're allowed 8 subs in this comp.  SA had several men in their 30's doing 30-40 min shifts last night. Age is not the barrier it once was.

I'd favour NZ myself. They were savage at Irish breakdown and SA couldn't cope with similar from Eng for a long time yesterday.

But who knows? Argentina are playing for 3rd spot!

[Belker]

Its Ali Fraser NZ have all the craft SA ha e the brawn.I still think NZ are to old SA will finish the stronger.Great final .

@ John m, I dissagree, I think NZ are far superior.

You can have all you want today on SA (80 mins) @ 5/4.
https://www.oddschecker.com/rugby-union/rugby-world-cup/new-zealand-v-south-africa/winner

Or SA 'Lift the Trophy' @ 11/10.
https://www.oddschecker.com/rugby-union/rugby-world-cup/winner

[silverbullet]

NZ beat us by kicking the ball over our heads and making us turn around. Engerland nearly won by doing the same.  Is a new style of rugby emerging? Should be an 'interesting' final...

Why is a Garryowen in rugby called a Garryowen?
Adam Hathaway
Adam Hathaway February 3, 2022
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Also known as an 'up-and-under' or 'bomb', we dissect the high kick

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New Zealand's Ben Smith and Louis Picamoles, of France, contest a Garryowen kick (Getty Images)

Why is a Garryowen in rugby called a Garryowen?

Those of a certain vintage will remember Bill McLaren’s commentaries, which had many, many highlights when he was the ‘Voice of Rugby’.

One of his favourite phrases involved former Ireland fly-half Tony Ward, who won 19 caps for his country between 1978 and 1987 before turning to journalism. Whenever Ward launched a high up-and-under McLaren would say something like ‘there’s the Garryowen from the man from Garryowen’.

Ward, played for Garryowen, in Limerick, who currently play in AIB League Division One, and the kick – otherwise known as an ‘up-and-under’ or a ‘bomb’ – is named after that club.


A Garryowen kick is used to launch the ball high in the air, giving the chasers of the attacking side time to get to the catcher and tackle them, hopefully, at the same time as they try to collect the ball. It can cause carnage with huge forwards and speedy wings and centres homing in on the unfortunate person underneath the ball or giving them time to knock it back.

The tactic was popularised by, you’ve guessed it, Garryowen RFC in the 1920s when they won the Munster Senior Cup in 1924, 1925 and 1926. So, the Garryowen was born at the Market’s Field although the club have played at Dooradoyle since 1958.

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Jonny Wilkinson and, currently, Leicester fly-half George Ford are masters of the Garryowen. Ford has also tweaked it by reviving the spiral bomb, a kick that was used a lot in the 1970s, where the ball comes down unpredictably and often dips away from the catcher.


It can be a nightmare for defenders, just ask Anthony Watson, one of the best high ball receivers in the world, who was tormented by Ford at Welford Road in 2021 by a series of wicked spiral bombs raining down on him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F39NgggvsOU

[watty]

When I wondered about a new style of rugby, I didn't mean 'new, new'.  I was thinking that up to now, the Garryowen was only used a few times in a game.  But it seemed to be almost the default tactic for both teams in their matches.  I was wondering if, instead of the old-fashioned way of bashing your way through the opposition before going to the wings, are these teams bypassing the whole 'attack' thing and just kicking the ball over the defence line? 

Nowadays games are lost on the penalty counts.  Any penalty inside the oppisition half is a near cert 3 points.  Are NZ/Eng being cynical and playing the odds.  Why bother playing when you can do a Garryowen and hope for a fumble or holding in the tackle...  England didn't get a try and relied entirely on Owen Farrell's boot (4 penalties and 1 dropgoal).

I'm not a mad sports fan but I'm thinking of Tyrone (?) 10 or 20 years ago where they adopted zone marking tactics.  Every time the opposition got the ball, he was immediately tackled by 2 or 3 Tyrone players and the opposition guy had no idea what to do.  The old tradition of fixed positions (left back, full forward etc) was done away with by the super-fit Tyrone players who roamed all over the pitch and it confused all the other teams for a year or two.

[silverbullet]

When I wondered about a new style of rugby, I didn't mean 'new, new'.  I was thinking that up to now, the Garryowen was only used a few times in a game.  But it seemed to be almost the default tactic for both teams in their matches.  I was wondering if, instead of the old-fashioned way of bashing your way through the opposition before going to the wings, are these teams bypassing the whole 'attack' thing and just kicking the ball over the defence line? 

Nowadays games are lost on the penalty counts.  Any penalty inside the oppisition half is a near cert 3 points.  Are NZ/Eng being cynical and playing the odds.  Why bother playing when you can do a Garryowen and hope for a fumble or holding in the tackle...  England didn't get a try and relied entirely on Owen Farrell's boot (4 penalties and 1 dropgoal).

I'm not a mad sports fan but I'm thinking of Tyrone (?) 10 or 20 years ago where they adopted zone marking tactics.  Every time the opposition got the ball, he was immediately tackled by 2 or 3 Tyrone players and the opposition guy had no idea what to do.  The old tradition of fixed positions (left back, full forward etc) was done away with by the super-fit Tyrone players who roamed all over the pitch and it confused all the other teams for a year or two.

Enough to Tyr-one out.

When you have an immovable object, better to go over it than try and bulldoze your way through it.