Rugby World cup 'Top Try scorer' bet.

[Belker]

I got a winner on here at last !

Won easily in the end, a lot of the players with outside hopes didn't even play in the last of the games, Henry Arundell (Eng) was my main danger but as usual England played the Kicking game in the 'Bronze' final.

I'll post the bet photos later in the week when me small fella finishes cashing them all in piece-meal.

[Belker]

'Great Buzz' going this morning when me small fella called to me at 6.30am on his way to work to cash in the first half of the many mutiple bets with a nice wad of 'used notes'.
I'm feeling like Paul Newman from 'The Sting' ! 

[Belker]

All bets finally cashed in today, all were done in-shop paid fer in cash with cash pay-outs.
Main bets (non-hedge) were all done in small amounts in 4 different Boyles shops.

€280 EW Damien Penaud (Second on 6 Tries) all @ 13/2, showed a small €84 profit.
(Not worth posting photo evidence).

Five saving (Hedge) bets were all losers showing an €85 loss.
€25 Win on Henry Arundell (5 tries) (Eng) @ 33/1.
€5 Win on Mark Telea (3) (NZ) @ 100/1.
€25 Win on Cobus Reinach (4) (SA) @ 25/1.
€20 Win on Leicester Fainga'anuku (5) (NZ) @ 33/1
€10 Ardie Savea (3) (NZ) @ 66/1.

I also had €165 EW on James Lowe (Irl) which was a Loser fer another €330.

[Belker]

€280 EW Will Jordan (The winner on 8 Tries) was the icing on the cake showing a €2304 profit.









In summary;
The Will Jordan bets showed a €2304 profit.
The Damien Penaud bets showed an €84 profit.
The James Lowe bets showed a €330 loss.
And the saving Hedge bets showed an €85 loss.

Total stake invested €1535,
Total Returns €3508,
Total profit €1973.

[silverbullet]

€280 EW Will Jordan (The winner on 8 Tries) was the icing on the cake showing a €2304 profit.









In summary;
The Will Jordan bets showed a €2304 profit.
The Damien Penaud bets showed an €84 profit.
The James Lowe bets showed a €330 loss.
And the saving Hedge bets showed an €85 loss.

Total stake invested €1535,
Total Returns €3508,
Total profit €1973.

Take the night off.

[Rat Catcher]

Interesting exercise, Ken. While it was the 1/5th odds for 8 places that attracted you, backing each way actually cost you the guts of a grand*... probably more ifn you had saved the shoe leather and backed on Betfair.

*€400 @ 7/1 + €160 @ 13/2 would have returned a profit of €3,840 less €890 for the two LOSERS equates to €2,950 clear profit. Even with the additional LOSERS from hedging you woulda won €2,865.

[Belker]

Interesting exercise, Ken. While it was the 1/5th odds for 8 places that attracted you, backing each way actually cost you the guts of a grand*... probably more ifn you had saved the shoe leather and backed on Betfair.

*€400 @ 7/1 + €160 @ 13/2 would have returned a profit of €3,840 less €890 for the two LOSERS equates to €2,950 clear profit. Even with the additional LOSERS from hedging you woulda won €2,865.

I would disagree Stephen, granted the result as it turned out would show you to be correct, but I was doing a NO-LOSE bet, all I needed was fer 2 of the 3 players I backed to be placed in the top 8 fer my money-back and hoping to get the winner to get a decent pay-day.

By using your Betfair stategy if I did Not get the winner then all stakes would be lost.

As fer 'Shoe-leather' me small fella wore off a lot of it, I reckon between placing bets and cashing in he hit about 10 different Boyles shops, and he it all fer cash, even though I did not insist of him on all cash payouts, he did.

In the end we got a 'Bag a Sand' each outta it fer 6 weeks entertainment..... And a Good Buzz !!

[Belker]

My stategy on the bets was to lay out Approx 1.5K on the extra generous Boyles offer of 8 places;
(With the full knowledge that all my bets would not be accepted in one go).

If all 3 were unplaced I lose Approx 1.5K.
If only 1 is placed, I lose 1K.
If 2 are placed I break Even.
If all 3 are placed I win 0.5K.
If I get the winner and 2 unplaced I win 1.5K.
If I get the winner and 1 placed I win 2K.
If I get the winner and 2 placed I win 2.5K.

[Rat Catcher]

I get what you're saying alright, Ken. Just, as a punter, I have been asked why I don't back each way. The answer is quite simple... Despite missing the odd one placed at a big price, if I do the math (and I do!) it never proves profitable on a medium-long term basis,

[Belker]

I would agree Stephen, but the above was an exception due to Boyles extreme generosity. I don't think the Boyles rugby odds compiler is the brightest, he was quoting odds fer players going in the the final 2 weekend matches who could not possibly win because they were behind on tries and not named in their team squad fer the last game.

If memory serves I rang him once before a few years back when they were quoting Ireland @12/5 fer the Triple crown and 5/2 fer the Grand Slam which was exactly the same thing back then as they had to play England and Scotland in their last 2 games, after they had beaten Wales, France and Italy, he took no notice and didn't change the odds.

[Belker]

My stategy on the bets was to lay out Approx 1.5K on the extra generous Boyles offer of 8 places;
(With the full knowledge that all my bets would not be accepted in one go).

If all 3 were unplaced I lose Approx 1.5K.
If only 1 is placed, I lose 1K.
If 2 are placed I break Even.
If all 3 are placed I win 0.5K.
If I get the winner and 2 unplaced I win 1.5K.
If I get the winner and 1 placed I win 2K.
If I get the winner and 2 placed I win 2.5K.

The above had 7 scenario's;
I lost in 2 of them,
Broke Even in 1,
And I won in 4 of them, which was most likely with 8 places.
And the very best of any scam is that the scammed don't even know that they were scammed ! 
We hit 5 different shops on 5 different days to get the bets on, all fer cash.
And hit 6 different shops on 5 different days to cash them in, all fer cash.

Most thankfully me small fella stuck ridgedly to the instructions I gave him about 'Placing' and 'Cashing in'.

[Rat Catcher]

They were quick to ban me from sports betting a few years back... in fact one of the first firms that didn't want my business. In fact, I asked one of their store managers if the odd €50 over the counter of an evening on the next days racing (BOG back then, most firms aren't BOG 'till raceday nowadays)would raise any eyebrows and he explained as it would be relatively unusual (multiples for the next days racing being the "norm") it would and using different branches would make no difference as they (like Paddypower) monitor everything centrally with calls from head office instructing staff to refuse or restrict bets from punters spotted on CCTV not being particularly unusual.

[Belker]

I know all that Stephen and that is why I was so careful about placing the main (non-hedge) bets.
I know full well that if I went in to a Boyles shop asking fer €280ew on 2 players @13/2 and €165ew on another @14/1, all at Super Bonus enhanced place terms, then I would have been shown the Door !

So I had to do it all piece-meal.
I hit 2 different Boyles shops fer a quarter of the stakes each on different days.
Me small fella hit 2 other Boyles shops 2 days later fer another quarter of the stakes in each on 2 different days.

And he did all the 'Cashing in' in 6 different shops, with him insisting on Cash from them all.
It wasn't the scam of the century but it was a nice scam and we trousered a 'Bag a Sand' each ! 

[Rat Catcher]

Makes one wonder how the fucking parasites are licensed at all. Under the terms of my taxi licence I'm obliged to accept any fare up to 30 kilos unless the intending passenger is likely to soil/damage my vehicle or cannot prove ability to pay yet a bookmaker can have a licence with no obligation to accept  relatively small bets and certainly no obligation to make a book.

[Belker]

In reading back over this topic earlier and then re-reading all of the texts (Because the Fookin ESB cut off me lecky fer an hour today !) between my self and me small fella + his/my newly adopted daughter-in-law, it's quite nostalgic to me in the way that we pulled it off.

Fer me personally to get Nowt from it all in the end was of no concern, me small fella got his 50% cut fer the shoe-leather worn and his next few car repair bill's paid fer and that was good enough fer me. To quote the Great Corkman Tony Murphy whom pulled off "Murphy's Stroke"; "T'was never about de money, t'was about de Craic of pulling it off !"...

I retired from gambling after those bets, going out on a Winning streak !
With a lasting enjoyable memory !!  ....