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Offline Dr. Martin Gooter Bling

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Re: Rugby World cup 'Top Try scorer' bet.
« Reply #30 on: July 24, 2024, 05:09:01 pm »
you used to work in a gambling shop didn't ye ken.
can i ask what was the biggest amount of lolly you saw someone win and lose.

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Re: Rugby World cup 'Top Try scorer' bet.
« Reply #31 on: July 24, 2024, 06:48:53 pm »
you used to work in a gambling shop didn't ye ken.
can i ask what was the biggest amount of lolly you saw someone win and lose.
I think I posted those real stories already DMG, but I'll have a root around to see if I can find them and re-post them again here.

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Re: Rugby World cup 'Top Try scorer' bet.
« Reply #32 on: July 25, 2024, 11:52:17 am »
Not Du Pont!
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Re: Rugby World cup 'Top Try scorer' bet.
« Reply #33 on: July 25, 2024, 01:12:28 pm »
you used to work in a gambling shop didn't ye ken.
can i ask what was the biggest amount of lolly you saw someone win and lose.
Biggest or Best winner was a fella nicknamed 'Crystal Ball' fer obvious reasons, he used to do long odds Each-way ante-post accumulator bets, usually staked 5 or 6 Tenner EW accum bets a few times a week and every week or fortnight he would get one up fer between 5 and 10 grand.

One of my biggest bets taken was on a horse called African princess in circa 1992, the opening show/price was 25/1 and I laid a 'Whale' over the phone £3,600 Irl punts EW @ 25/1, not knowing that the horse was 'Live' and the top pick of the 'Winning Line' team which was a subscription tipping service that was doing really well on recent tips. The horse shortened in price from 25/1 to 2/1 Fav at the Off.
The race was originally a 16 horse handicap meaning 4 places but 1 horse was withdrawn making it a 15 horse race with just 3 places. African princess was 4th, a loser to the Whale/punter.

I had that same 'Whale' on the line fer about 2 years, took about 120k off him in the end, even after writing off a few of his debts whilst playing him, prob could have got more if I had played it better.

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Re: Rugby World cup 'Top Try scorer' bet.
« Reply #34 on: July 25, 2024, 01:32:47 pm »
Back in the late Eighties I was managing a bookie shop in Cork, the shop was the most westerly shop in the city center and quite often the old age pensioners with the free travel and the farmers from west Cork would frequent the premises as it was the first city bookie office that they would come across.
One particular customer who was probably an old age pensioner and definately a farmer by the stink off him arrived in one morning, a heavily set man who never spoke, he just put his docket and dosh up on the counter, his bet was;
"LOOTO, First number drawn Even, 5/6, £10" (Ir Punts at the time).
His bet won and he was in the next Monday morning to collect his £18.33.

A few days later he was back in to do the same bet, but this time it lost, so a week later he was back in again but this time he had Doubled up to £20, it lost again, and again a week later he Doubled up again to £40, which won.
Then a week later he was back in again and started again with a £10 bet always misspelling the word Lotto fer Looto and this all went on fer about Two years with him Doubling up week after week before he got a winner, £160 was the highest he got to before he got his winner and he was making a tidy profit from it.

But then thing's changed as they do in the gambling world, all his smaller bets lost fer weeks and after his biggest so far £160 bet lost we wondered would we ever see him again ?  Sure as' he was in like clockwork the next week with his £320 bet, it lost, the week after he was in again with £640, that too lost, £640 turned in to £1,280, £1,280 turned into £2,560, all losers.

Then senior management got involved discussing what best next to do, there really wasn't an option, if we refused the next bet on humanitarian grounds then he would just have walked down the road to the next bookie and had his wager with them. I hoped, prayed that he had given up his quest, but he hadn't, he again was in on the next Friday morning with £5,120 in cash fer his usual Looto bet, it lost and we never saw him again !

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Re: Rugby World cup 'Top Try scorer' bet.
« Reply #35 on: July 25, 2024, 02:00:52 pm »
Circa 2006, I was head compiler on the day in my family bookie headquarters in Cork, at about 11am I got a call on the internal phone system from one of our city branches, it was Evan the shop manager, a nice young lad, very straight-laced and honest lad, he said to me; "There's a fella here wants Ten Grand @ 2/5 on the Fav in the 11.15 at Bloemfontein (South Africa)". I ask Evan; "Does he look like he has Ten Grand ?". Evan replies; "Eh, No". I say to him; "Fine, let him have it, I'll bet he hasn't the price of a cup of tea in his pocket !".

Ten Grand is always the magic figure and we used to get it a few times every year that some idiot would be sitting at home thinking to himself 'I'll really show those bookies up today, I'll ask fer a Ten Grand bet and when they refuse me I'll tell the whole of Cork about it !', most usually I will always say "Fine" to them and watch as they turn tail and leg it out the door looking like a fool.

A minute later Evan rings me back; "Yea, he had that Ken, all paid up in cash", I was surprised, I turned on my T.V. monitor and watched the horse lose the race. Five minutes later Evan rings again; "Yer man want's 5 Grand on trap 1 @ 6/4 in the 11.28 at Romford". "Fine" I say "Give it to him, actually give him anything he wants, take the bets first and ring 'em in to me After you take them".

I knew I had a 'Whale' on the line and a good manager in Evan running the show on the ground and I sure wasn't gonna let My Whale slip-off My line. The dog won and the customer continued trading in 5 and 10 Thousand Euro bets fer the rest of the morning. When he was all done at about 1.30pm he was down about Thirty-five grand and he left just as quietly as he had entered, never to be seen again.

I rang Evan later in the afternoon fer a chat because I knew that kind of very aggressive trading can be harrowing on a young lad, I didn't say much to him, but allowed him the opportunity to express his thoughts and concerns to me. I arranged fer the money to be off-counter and out of that shop within 15 minutes of the Whales departure. During our chat Evan told me; "A few of the regular punters had been chatting to yer man and he was an ex-Docker and he got his redundancy last week, his Dream all his life had been to go in to the bookies and bet in Tens of Thousands !".

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Re: Rugby World cup 'Top Try scorer' bet.
« Reply #36 on: July 25, 2024, 02:12:53 pm »
you used to work in a gambling shop didn't ye ken.
can i ask what was the biggest amount of lolly you saw someone win and lose.
I think I posted those real stories already DMG, but I'll have a root around to see if I can find them and re-post them again here.
That should keep ya busy fer a bit DMG, I didn't answer much on biggest losers fer me as a bookie but I have a few thoughts and if'n your interested then I will dig them out fer you.

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Re: Rugby World cup 'Top Try scorer' bet.
« Reply #37 on: July 25, 2024, 04:56:00 pm »
very interesting thanks for that. a few questions.
do you gamble.
why do you think people gamble. do you consider gambling a mental illness.
have yever hadta ban a persistant winner.
have yever heard of a bookie that got bankrupted after takin on a winning bet.
why are there still physical bookie shops when it can all be done through an app.
have yever had wifes/girlfriends/family comin imta the shop pleadin to return the husband's/boyfriends money he lost.
are there tricks bookies use to entice people inta the shop and keep them in there. i know casinos have fancy lights, dolly birds employed inside, no windows so you lose track of time, gargle/drugs to keep cunts gambling etc. etc.

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Re: Rugby World cup 'Top Try scorer' bet.
« Reply #38 on: July 26, 2024, 11:34:23 am »
Ireland are out.
Too many handling mistakes and poor throw-ins and terrible lack of kick conversions.
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Re: Rugby World cup 'Top Try scorer' bet.
« Reply #39 on: July 29, 2024, 06:46:44 am »
very interesting thanks for that. a few questions. ....

...  have yever heard of a bookie that got bankrupted after takin on a winning bet. ....

You have a lot of questions there DMG, but I will answer them all .. in time.

The first question above I'll take on, brings back very sad memories.

Back when I started work in the family bookies in the early Eighties, Dermot Buckley was a senior colleague of mine, while he wasn't the brightest tool in the shed his father and my father (the owner) were close friends and so Dermot got his promotions up through the ranks quicker than most.

Back then the bookie game was very lucrative and as the early Ninties turned Dermot took his few quid from his shares in our business and his misses took her redundancy from her teachers job and he set up his own bookie shop close by where he lived in Macroom, which didn't do as well as he had expected it to, which was hardly a surprise to anyone as he wan't really the most Work generated kind of guy !

When he was almost done in 1992 he laid a stupid bet on a GAA football team to win the Cork county championship.
£500 (Irl punts) @ 33/1, O' Donovan Rossa to win the county senior football championship.

Read the Southern Star report on the match/bet here;
https://www.southernstar.ie/sport/skibb-plan-was-simple-get-the-ball-to-mick-as-fast-as-possible-4147179

In reality the seemingly hopeless team should have been 1,000/1 shots but when the money was down the O' Donovan Rossa team from Skibereen in West Cork played like men possesed and won the County championship.

Dermot to be fair to him paid out on the bet when by Irish law he could have 'Welshed' on the bet and run very Far away as gambling debts are not recoverable by law.

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Re: Rugby World cup 'Top Try scorer' bet.
« Reply #40 on: July 29, 2024, 07:12:24 am »
I heard rumours over the next few years as seemingly Dermot Buckley was still trading in Macroom, the rumous were that he had spent the last of his misses redundancy in paying off the winning GAA bet, and also rumours that his misses had left him. I dunno how true any of them were and it was none of my business.

Then one day a good few years on circa 2005, I would have been in senior management by then and a young employee of ours from Macroom commented to me; "I seen Dermot Buckley again this morning drinking flagons a cider down the lane with the Alkie's !".
I was fairly shocked and exclaimed out loud; "WHAT !"......

But it was all true, Dermot had lost all and taken the Alco street route, a year or 2 later he seemingly fell down the stairs of an alco homeless shelter and died aged 52.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-20060560.html

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Re: Rugby World cup 'Top Try scorer' bet.
« Reply #41 on: July 29, 2024, 07:44:13 am »
very interesting thanks for that. a few questions.
do you gamble. .....
No, not anymore, I won/shared about 2k last Nov as posted and proven already earlier on this same topic and I retired gracefully on a winning note.

I know full well that I had a lot of well publised Losing big bets after posting on here, Trump in 2020 after me spending weeks getting every Bobo Free offer from Every online bookie to bet on the Orange Prick @ 1/2 and then he lost !

Brazil with a huge online new customer 20% Bobo offer fer the world cup outright, 1-0 up at half-time in extra time to Fookin Croatia and they still managed to lose ! ... I still have the 'Hump' over that !!

And then the Girl's world cup Double, I really fancied the Aussie girls to qualify from their group and to me the betting was wrong, I thought they should have been 1/2 or 2/5, but they were 6/5 !
I went Large on them and they oblidged me winning by over 3  or 4 goals, but I got greedy and threw in the USA girls the next day @ 1/4 as a Double just to inhance my winnings as the Yanks usually take everything seriousely, but while the Aussie girls did the biz @ 6/5, the USA were lucky to get a draw after an abysmal performance. Another Lose fer me.

I don't bet fer fun, but to bet to win takes a lot of time and effort.

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Re: Rugby World cup 'Top Try scorer' bet.
« Reply #42 on: July 29, 2024, 08:34:38 am »
... have yever had wifes/girlfriends/family comin imta the shop pleadin to return the husband's/boyfriends money he lost...
No, never had that personally or ever heard of it, but in my younger manager days I did have a drunk Fookin Nordie scumbag come back in with a bally on and a knife looking fer his money back.
I'll see if'n I can root out that old story from somewhere.

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Re: Rugby World cup 'Top Try scorer' bet.
« Reply #43 on: July 29, 2024, 09:11:49 am »
Disarming an intoxicated person with a knife; (True story).

It was circa 1989 and I would have been a young fit 24 year old with 2 years of teenage Shotokan karate training behind me.
I was the manager of a very busy Northside bookie shop in Dillons cross and it was my morning off.

I got a call on my house phone from my shop settler Mark about noon telling me that 'Jimmy from the North' had gone beserk in the shop. I knew Jimmy well, he was grand 99% of the time but if he had drink on him which was very seldom that he was a dangerous man to deal with.

I was Up, Dressed and across the city to the office within 20 minutes to find Mary the cashier weeping behind the counter, as Mark explained to me that there had been a discrepancy about a bet and Jimmy in his best nordie accent had told Mary that; "He would have her put against a wall and Shot !". Which had kinda upset Mary a tad, so I sent her off home fer rest of the day. All forgotten about, we worked on a tad under staffed but we managed.

It was a long counter layout facing out to the shop front with a side door (seldom locked), the staff inside the counter nearest to the side door is the settler, followed by the cashier in the middle (whom had been sent home) and lastly the shop manager (Me).

About 3pm Mark the settler runs past me screaming something or other, and I see a balaclaved man with a knife just behind him, inside of the side counter door, inside the counter, I know it's Jimmy behind the balaclava but he is drunk and he has a knife, not a very big knife, only about 3 or 4 inches long but he is coming at me very aggressively, there is no where to run, I am completely trapped within the counter and with my settler Mark quaking in his boots behind me.

I hold my ground (like I had a choice) as he comes toward me with the knife.
All my flash thinking within the 2 seconds I had was;
Firstly, no way was he getting a body shot at me to stab and maybe kill me. Then I thought; 'Give him a leg' but then thought; 'Naw, I'm kinda fond of that', Then I thought; 'Give him an arm', but again thought; "Naw, I'm fond of that too'.
Final thought being; 'STAND AND FIGHT CASH !'

With no other option available, I drew back in to Shotokan fight stance and Jimmy hesitates. I'm only seeing One prize and that is 'Jimmy's wrist' and as he hesitates, I lung fer it and grab his knife wielding hand bashing it off everything, counter, till's, drawers, anything in sight and we struggle fer a good long minute or more, an elderly customer from outside the counter leans in and grabs Jimmy's balaclava off him during the struggle. I had Jimmy's wrist held with both my hands and I was never letting go till the knife fell, I kinda felt like my life was depending on it.

With unexpectedly having his hood removed Jimmy relaxed his grip on the knife and eventually with all my bashing he dropped it. I picked up the knife and fired it away over the counter out of harm's reach, Jimmy turned tail and ran fer the side counter door, I rooted him One good kick in the arse as he fled.

Once outside the counter Jimmy spotted the elderly customer who had taken his balaclava off him during the struggle and 'Bopped' him One opening up a nasty gash on the old fella's forehead. I went out to the customers aid tackling and holding a drunk Jimmy in a 'Half-Nelson' fer about 5 minutes but eventually he struggled free and legged it out the door.

The Gardai and all that were called, and we went searching the Glen flats area and the dregs of Comeragh park fer him, with me in the back of a squad car on the lookout, but Jimmy took the 'Midnight Express' back to the North that night, never to be seen again.

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Re: Rugby World cup 'Top Try scorer' bet.
« Reply #44 on: July 30, 2024, 10:25:25 am »
very interesting thanks for that. a few questions. .....
.......  why do you think people gamble. do you consider gambling a mental illness. .....
No more so than people who drink, drug or smoke, they know it's not good fer them but they do it fer the Buzz anyway.

 


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