Speed Limits

[watty]

@RC:  What's 'the BBO'?


It might all be moot in a few years.  AFAIK, every car sold in the EU from this year or next has to have a speed limiter installed (along with a SIM card to call 999 after you crash).  I think they might be advisory at the beginning but eventually they'll be mandatory!

The EU has a very low opinion of it's drivers!

[markmiwurdz]

Without the benefit of your medical/forensic training/experience (delete as appropriate) one can only reitterate the BBO i.e. speed is always a factor when death occurs as a result of a RTA.

I don't disagree but I think the people who speed outside major Cities will just keep on keeping on.

[Rat Catcher]

BBO = Blatantly Bleedin' Obvious, Watty. I'm not sure the EU necessarily has a low opinion of drivers in general. It just makes sense to utilise technology to improve safety where practicable. In the UAE, for example, all taxis are fitted with speed monitoring devices and legislation accommodates automatic penalties. There's certainly a case for NTA and/or RSA at least undertaking a fact finding mission with a view to considering replicating such a system on our shores given that our RTA death rate is beyond crisis point and is still rising.

[John m]

I was down the Flats near the Church beside the Chipper with Big Dommo and his Granny and we were discussing Road Deaths and she said its the Governments fault .It use to be safe when they had a lad with a flag running ahead of the Car to worn people the car was comming ..Could we not have a lad on a bicycle or a Scooter riding in front of a car .A modern touch on an old Idea ?

[taxi1990]

We will have to buy speed camera detectors if they bring in these new speed limits.

saw a taxi in Germany using one, it warned him of cameras and an accident on my trip to the airport.

[silverbullet]

This might make interesting reading:
file:///C:/Users/Brian%20Madeley/OneDrive/Pictures/117530_9f07fa67-a283-4bb4-aeb5-5ca5a6de9eb6.pdf


ROAD TRAFFIC ACCIDENT HANDBOOK
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SECTION 3 RTA Procedure. 22. 3.1. Overall plan. 3.2. Incident Command at road traffic accidents. 3.3. Mobilising. 3.4. Arrival. 3.4.1 Approach to scene.

RTAs No longer exist [Read only] - Brentus
Having read the thread regarding cyclist and RTA's. I would like to pass on this very important information. I recently discovered after a local campaign regarding fire station closures. That Road Traffic Accidents no longer exist (RTA's). The emergency services in keeping with political correctness now have re-named RTA's to RTC's (Road Traffic Collisions). Fire services throught the country are currently implementing strategic plans and integrated risk management plans. To do this they need to utilise the fire service emergency toolkit computer model (FSEC). Why is this important because the FSEC computer does not recognise RTC's it would be overwhelmed. Again you ask why is this so important. Because you are 7x more likely to die in an RTC than an urban dwelling fire. So be reminded when they review the strategic plan in your area and the disposition of resources ask the question why RTC's are not included in FSEC. I do believe that one fire brigade has thrown the FSEC toolkit out.

The terminology RTA's and RTC's runs in tandem and it matters not which one is used. Everyone in that game knows what the meaning is. It will take a while for RTC to become the terminology of choice.

The reason it was changed was an 'Accident' can assume no one is to blame, whereas a 'Collision' does not. Many accidents/collisions are caused by poor driving and it is therefore important to establish this to try to prevent it happening again, by either punishing the transgressor or publishing penalties to others in the hope they'll take heed and be more careful.

I saw that in HOT FUZZ.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puK5CwThaq4

[Cool Boola]

Did anyone say that Wales have reduced the S.L. to 20 miles per hour. Is that near to 30kmp…………..Sorry!   cant keep up?   

[John m]

30 KPH is about 18.9 MPH .

[watty]

Did anyone say that Wales have reduced the S.L. to 20 miles per hour. Is that near to 30kmp…………..Sorry!   cant keep up?   

Yeah, it is happening in Welsh towns and villages.  And because the police are soft and cuddly, they'll only offer 'words of advice' to those caught 'speeding'    between 20-30 miles per hour during an introductory period.

I can't help but wonder if cyclists and scooters are going to get a free ride, if you'll pardon the pun, with these new rules?

[Rat Catcher]

More importantly, given the current crisis on our roads, people have a 90% chance of surviving being struck by a motor vehicle travelling at 30 kilos/hour compared to less than 50% chance of surviving being struck at 50+ kilos/hour.

Food for thought:

https://georgeruns30x30.com/speed-limit-of-30km-h-cities/

[watty]

Interesting article.  In places where they'd tried to quantify the cost-benefits, they reckon they saved 3 times the money it cost to implement the charges.

Based on a Welsh Government report, the direct estimated costs of introducing the 20 mph default will be £32.3M. This report estimates the casualty savings of 20mph, in the first year alone, to be just over £92M; nearly three times higher than the implementation cost. The benefits, over a three year period, are between eight and nine times higher than the costs of implementation (£275.8M). Road crash casualty savings in the first year alone are almost three times the implementation costs (Andrian Davis, 2022).

[silverbullet]

Interesting article.  In places where they'd tried to quantify the cost-benefits, they reckon they saved 3 times the money it cost to implement the charges.

Based on a Welsh Government report, the direct estimated costs of introducing the 20 mph default will be £32.3M. This report estimates the casualty savings of 20mph, in the first year alone, to be just over £92M; nearly three times higher than the implementation cost. The benefits, over a three year period, are between eight and nine times higher than the costs of implementation (£275.8M). Road crash casualty savings in the first year alone are almost three times the implementation costs (Andrian Davis, 2022).

Survivability surely increases costs as disabled provision doesn't come cheap. A funeral can be held under a grand if you go to the CWO...better still GoFundMe "Fly high in Paradise Bud"!!

[Belker]

The "Might as well be hung fer a Sheep as a Lamb" theory may come in to play if these new speed limits do get inforced.
The majority of folk do obey the speed limits but if they get reset to ridiculous low levels than quite a few may totally ignore them. Where once an ordinary Joe soap would stay under the 100kmph on secondary roads but if it get reduced to 80kmph then Joe just might ignore it completly and take a chance doing 120kmph+ thinking I may as well be hung fer a Sheep as a Lamb !

[Rat Catcher]

The lower penalty point limit ought to apply to "professional" drivers given that we're already subject to the lower drink drive limit.

[markmiwurdz]

The lower penalty point limit ought to apply to "professional" drivers given that we're already subject to the lower drink drive limit.

Self Flagellation and masochism your specialty Rat...