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« on: November 01, 2023, 07:04:32 am »

No babies aged 0-3 years have yet been named amongst the dead of Hamas’s October 7th attack. The stories of beheaded babies, it now seems likely, were in fact weapons of mass destruction launched by experienced Israeli and American media warriors to enflame emotions and soften the ground for genocide. It’s not the first time this has happened. It is time we learnt the lessons of history.

Within hours of the October 7 attack Israeli Defence Force spokesmen reported that babies had been beheaded by Hamas fighters. The story was obligingly flashed across CNN, the Guardian, BBC, countless front pages, and shot out via a billion complicit or gullible Facebook and X posts. Within another few hours the story had mutated into “40 babies beheaded” and flew out of the mouths of influencers on countless news channels.

“Stranger Things” star Noah Schnapp was one who fuelled the fire, sending his 25 million Instagram followers this post: “40 babies were beheaded and burned alive in front of their parents by Hamas.”

President Biden said he had seen images of them, and said “I have been doing this for a long time, I never thought I would see – have confirmed pictures of – terrorists beheading children.” The White House quickly retracted his claim. The Hill warned that Biden is a “serial fabulist” – but the old boy had done his job: genocide is now easier for Israel to commit. 3000 Palestinian children now lie dead, along with a number of Israeli children, including at least one four-year-old killed in the Hamas attack. All civilian lives, especially children's, should be inviolate. No exceptions.
 
 
Parts of the media are now rowing back their claims. CNN anchor Sara Sidner said: "Yesterday the Israeli Prime Minister's office said that it had confirmed Hamas beheaded babies & children while we were live on the air. The Israeli government now says today it CANNOT confirm babies were beheaded. I needed to be more careful with my words and I am sorry."

Unlike the real victims of October 7 and unlike the hundreds of Palestinian babies who have been slaughtered by the Israelis, whose shattered bodies we’ve actually seen, these 40 fictive infants survived the attack and will be boxed up, ready for repackaging next time a monstrous lie is needed to justify war crimes.

Haaretz, Israel’s leading newspaper, which has been filled with war cries since the attack, has published details of over 930 named dead from the October 7 attack. As of the time of writing, not one baby aged 0 to three years old has been publicly identified. Not one. Let alone a beheaded one. Let alone 40.

Does that matter? Wasn’t what Hamas did sufficiently bad, evil, enough of a war crime to justify the revenge we are witnessing? Apparently not. But don’t ask me; ask Biden, Netanyahu, Ursula Von Der Leyen, Rishi Sunak and the thousands of western journalists who spat it into the faces of people trying to stand up for now-dead and soon-to-die Palestinians. When I raised my voice in defence of innocent Palestinian civilians, I was shouted down by friends, incandescent with rage over dead babies. Now when I raise my voice after hundreds of babies have been slaughtered in Gaza, I’m greeted with indifference by many of those same people. But the tide is turning … the arc of history must surely turn towards justice. Justice is the seed; peace is the flower.

Here is why this particular lie was so important to tell: When your business is genocide you want your victims to appear as evil as possible.

I’m Irish: we know what it is to be vilified, treated and described as animals, forbidden fundamental human rights, bombed and burnt into submission, to be driven off our land and to be starved into death or exodus. Dehumanising us was part of the project.

Back to dead babies as tools of propaganda.

The Bible tells of the Jewish King Herod slaughtering new-borns as he tried to eliminate the little Babe Jesus. Mary and Joseph fled into Egypt (where the Israelis would like to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians of Gaza). The rest is history. Or not.

The bible story mutated over centuries into the famous Blood Libel that blamed the Jews not only for the death of Jesus but said Jews sacrificed, even ate, Christian babies in secret rituals. It was a Convenient Untruth used to justify mass murder and persecution of Jewish populations throughout Europe from the Middle Ages to the 20th Century.

But times change and the dead babies are assigned new duties.

Who remembers the dozens of babies thrown out of incubators by Iraqis soldiers at the hospital in Kuwait City in 1990? Millions of people across the world, me included, sat riveted by the testimony of a tearful young Kuwaiti woman called Nayirah who gave evidence at a crucial Congressional hearing that helped build support in the American mind for a holy war against Satan Saddam Hussein. Nayirah was working as a volunteer in a hospital when Iraqi soldiers burst in, removing the babies from incubators and tossing the wee mites onto the floor to die. Immediately following her testimony, which created a global media storm at the time, Chairman Rep John Porter, said: “We have never heard in all this time, in all circumstances, a record of inhumanity, brutality, and sadism as the ones the witnesses have given us today.”

Powerful. Moving. But a pack of utter lies.

The knowing and cynical Rep. Porter had asked that only Nayirah’s first name be used to protect her family. Good reason for that: Nayirah was the daughter of the Kuwaiti Ambassador to Washington. She was a member of al-Sabah family, the ruling house of Kuwait, had never worked in a hospital, and, as she admitted much later, had never witnessed any babies being thrown out of incubators. Not one. What she had done was sit for days with Hill & Knowlton, the American public relations company used by the Pentagon to build war lust amongst the US population. Not a difficult thing to do. They scripted the story, coached the young princess and set the dead babies to work on gullible minds.

Rep. Porter told listeners that people in the “civilised” world must do everything in their power to remove this “scourge”. Shortly after Nayirah’s testimony A-10 Warthogs, Abraham tanks, cruise missiles and all the same sort of instruments of death now being used on Gazan civilians were unleashed on the Iraqis. Hundreds of thousands were killed or maimed. When challenged over the deaths of thousands of real Iraqi babies in a subsequent US blockade, Secretary of State Madeleine Albright said: “This is a very hard choice but we think the price is worth it.”

The Incubator babies had helped lay the groundwork for such monstrous inhumanity. The beheaded babies of Israel have done their job too - allowing Netanyahu to say the assault on Gaza is a “holy mission”. Fellow Knesset MPs have called for a non-nuclear Hiroshima, a second Nakba, another bombing like that of Dresden - praising the resolution of the British and Americans in committing these acts. “It is time to be cruel,” Cabinet Minister Bezalel Smotrich, who leads the Religious Zionist Party, told the world last week.

The Americans and Israelis have two comparative advantages over any of their adversaries. Unrivalled ability to kill people. And storytelling. Nobody does it better.

So beware of dead babies. They can kill millions
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Re: I bet two babies .I see your two and raise you four more .
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2023, 09:18:14 am »

So beware of dead babies. They can kill millions


Very true.  That's the problem with modern 24 hour news; they have to fill that space and both sides know if they can push out their version first, it might become 'true'.

Another example.  In America, they're using social media to make "Hamas = ISIS".  But ISIS hates Hamas because they're too 'liberal'.  And Hamas, aside from killing Jewish people, is apparently a social justice organisation, relatively liberal for that part of the world, and helps some/most people out.

There's no nuance in the news anymore.
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« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2023, 09:35:05 am »
For a bit of Balance .Whos Gaff is it ?Palastine or Israels ?

The story of the Jewish people begins with Abraham, who is considered the father of Judaism. According to the Hebrew Bible, God made a covenant with Abraham, promising him numerous descendants and the land of Canaan (modern-day Israel and Palestine). This covenant marked the beginning of the Jewish people's unique relationship with God.

During the Exodus they were forced off their Land to roam the deserts before Moses led them back .Then they were evicted again by the Romans  So the history of Israel is God promised them {the Promised Land }they got ran off it got it back got ran off it again then got it back .That sort of explains why they will defend it .They have already lost it a few times and wont let it happen again .

So the issue is the Modern State of Israel was set up by the Brits and Yanks after WW2 along old lines in the Sand of the old State of Canna where Jesus turned water into Wine when he worked as a barman at a wedding .They evicted the Palastinians from a large part of it and the Palastinians/Arabs tried to wipe out the New Israeli State before it got up and running .They Failed .Now I am seeing the issue differently and from the Israeli side .They see Palastinians/Hamas /Hisbollah as a threat to their State and Security and are thinking rather that sharing the Land with the Palastinians two State Solution we need to push them out into the Deserts from which they came for our own Security and Peace .


It is some mess but if you go back to pre Jesus Times or Pre Islam .The Jews owned the Land and even 3000 years later they say they still own it .Is the endgame Israel will push the Palastinians out and the Palastinians will force Israel to destroy the thing they love .Really the more you look into this the more you see there is no Good outcome for anybody .Imagine having squatters in your Gaff and thinking that burning the house down is the best way of getting it back .

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« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2023, 09:48:37 am »
“Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. “1 Samuel, 15:3

Netanyahu reffered to the Amalekites in his press conference 2 days ago live on sky news translation. He said “ you must remember what the Amalekites did to you” Meaning that’s exactly what he is doing now. John you are good with bible history you can tell us the rest..


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« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2023, 09:55:41 am »
For a bit of Balance .Whos Gaff is it ?Palastine or Israels ?

The story of the Jewish people begins with Abraham, who is considered the father of Judaism. According to the Hebrew Bible, God made a covenant with Abraham, promising him numerous descendants and the land of Canaan (modern-day Israel and Palestine). This covenant marked the beginning of the Jewish people's unique relationship with God.

During the Exodus they were forced off their Land to roam the deserts before Moses led them back .Then they were evicted again by the Romans  So the history of Israel is God promised them {the Promised Land }they got ran off it got it back got ran off it again then got it back .That sort of explains why they will defend it .They have already lost it a few times and wont let it happen again .

So the issue is the Modern State of Israel was set up by the Brits and Yanks after WW2 along old lines in the Sand of the old State of Canna where Jesus turned water into Wine when he worked as a barman at a wedding .They evicted the Palastinians from a large part of it and the Palastinians/Arabs tried to wipe out the New Israeli State before it got up and running .They Failed .Now I am seeing the issue differently and from the Israeli side .They see Palastinians/Hamas /Hisbollah as a threat to their State and Security and are thinking rather that sharing the Land with the Palastinians two State Solution we need to push them out into the Deserts from which they came for our own Security and Peace .


It is some mess but if you go back to pre Jesus Times or Pre Islam .The Jews owned the Land and even 3000 years later they say they still own it .Is the endgame Israel will push the Palastinians out and the Palastinians will force Israel to destroy the thing they love .Really the more you look into this the more you see there is no Good outcome for anybody .Imagine having squatters in your Gaff and thinking that burning the house down is the best way of getting it back .
That argument doesn’t work, its like christians all over the world going to Nazareth or Jerusalem saying this is a christian land. Or muslims in Africa going to take over mecca because it is a moslem land.

Jews, christians, muslims existed in palestine for ages in peace before they created the Israel state on the basis of holy land


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« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2023, 10:06:06 am »
Jaysus, JohnM, were you a seminarian in a previous life?  You knows your bible!

Both sides nearly had a deal with the 2000 Camp David Summit.  The end result is disputed but apparently Arafat got cold feet and pulled out.  Barak was the Israel PM then but Bibi (the current PM) was pulling strings in the background to collapse the deal.

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It is some mess but if you go back to pre Jesus Times or Pre Islam .The Jews owned the Land and even 3000 years later they say they still own it .Is the endgame Israel will push the Palastinians out and the Palastinians will force Israel to destroy the thing they love .Really the more you look into this the more you see there is no Good outcome for anybody .Imagine having squatters in your Gaff and thinking that burning the house down is the best way of getting it back .

It's a military tactic going back to 1000's of years.  Burn all the houses and crops so your enemy has no means to survive.

@ mkahawani:  As JohnM hinted,  a big part of the problem is the way the Allies divided up the Middle East (and Africa) after WW2.  They just drew lines on a map without thinking of the consequences.  A lot of the indigenous peoples lived basically in tribal groups.  Even now many of the Middle East Arab countries are just cities in the desert that call themselves countries.  Suddenly they lived in countries with real power and real weath to be had.  And then the internal civil fighting started.
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« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2023, 10:20:17 am »
Jesuit Education Watty .Amalekites were basically Egypts answer to Dick Turpin they ambushed the Isrelites on their way out of the Promised Land .Joshua tooled up and took them out .MKA I have no side in this War both sides offend me equally .Other Arab Nations who close their Border to Palastinians while Countries like Poland or Germany have taken in more Ukranians that the population of Palastine .I think the Palastinians are just Cannon Fodder between two versions of Islam Championed by Iran and Saud .If or when those people are murdered then the high pissing contest will be .We armed them to defend themselves while you stood by doing nothing .People seem to forget that the Americans supported the Removal of the Shah .Anybody noticed how little Rattle Can Zalezzny is on the telly lately .Getting Cold Europe needs a secure Gas supply .They thought Big Z would have been beaten by now or Vlad would be dead .Hisbollah seem to know the time for War is not Now .
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« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2023, 10:23:20 am »
Yes watty I understand how coutries got chopped up in pieces after WW1 and 2, but specifically Palestine wasnt like that, it was waves and waves of European jews immigrants that went over there, pushed people up and based on bible history created the Israel state, its an idea that was floating around for some time as John said.

I think Eu and America is losing credibility very fast in the eyes of the world if Bibi can stand on a podium and use bible history to justify Genocide. It is not great for world security atall.


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« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2023, 10:37:28 am »
Can't disagree with either of you other than to say America has been in terminal decline for some time now.  A lot of countries are pissed off with America lecturing them when America is just as bad/dirty as everyone. else.  And as JohnM wrote, America is quite happy to kill foreign politicians they don't like.

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« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2023, 10:47:17 am »
MAK BiBi can do what he likes because he controls the 3% .In the far far long ago when I studied Politics I wrote a Paper on 3% and it has turned out to be correct .Here is how it goes .If you can control 3% of the Vote you can take Power .in Ireland with our transferable vote system If you can get 3% more first prefrence votes than the next party you will get 9 more seats .It should be 5 as 3% of 166 is five seats but you will get 9 it just works that way .So Leo or Mick will always play any Minority Gay, Lesbian,Greens ,Protestants dosent matter what you represent as long as you can deliver 3% on Election Day .

Now look at America are there 3% Jews in America ..Whoever gets the Jewish vote wins the White House .More Jews with Votes in America than Arabs .In the UK most immigrants Jews .Arab ,Black who came to better themselves vote Tory not Labour .They see Dude or Goose Jacket tracksuited Homies complaining how they are victims and want more Houses ,Jobs Dole .To get the 3% Vote the Tories offer Less Tax and the lets do better brigade like that and vote Tory while the lad in the trackie listening to Drill Music never vote .So things happening in other parts of the World earn votes in far away Countries .Brits and Yanks know this .Watch how they become disinterested in Ukraine as there are few Ukranian Voters in UK or USA .Both Countries have Elections next year .

As long as BiBi can sell the narative its them or us and Quote the Bible .Koran,Tora Newsweek ,Playboy and the World buys it the slaughter will and can continue .Cutting the Internet is a master stroke cuts out Citizen Reporters .But dont forget Hamas fired the first Shots in this episode I think they were expecting more Support from other mmalitias .
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« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2023, 11:01:08 am »
Remember there was an Independent in the race .Now imagine if you win or lose the Jewish Vote by not supporting Israel .

Pennsylvania: Joe Biden won with approximately 50.0% of the popular vote.
Wisconsin: Joe Biden won with approximately 49.5% of the popular vote.
Michigan: Joe Biden won with approximately 50.6% of the popular vote.
Arizona: Joe Biden won with approximately 49.4% of the popular vote.

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« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2023, 11:07:50 am »
Yes watty I understand how coutries got chopped up in pieces after WW1 and 2, but specifically Palestine wasnt like that, it was waves and waves of European jews immigrants that went over there, pushed people up and based on bible history created the Israel state, its an idea that was floating around for some time as John said.

I think Eu and America is losing credibility very fast in the eyes of the world if Bibi can stand on a podium and use bible history to justify Genocide. It is not great for world security atall.


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« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2023, 11:18:17 am »
Remember there was an Independent in the race .Now imagine if you win or lose the Jewish Vote by not supporting Israel .

Pennsylvania: Joe Biden won with approximately 50.0% of the popular vote.
Wisconsin: Joe Biden won with approximately 49.5% of the popular vote.
Michigan: Joe Biden won with approximately 50.6% of the popular vote.
Arizona: Joe Biden won with approximately 49.4% of the popular vote.

The system in America is rigged so a Presidential candidate only needs to win (I think) 6 states - the rest are basically predetermined.
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« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2023, 12:01:52 pm »
Remember there was an Independent in the race .Now imagine if you win or lose the Jewish Vote by not supporting Israel .

Pennsylvania: Joe Biden won with approximately 50.0% of the popular vote.
Wisconsin: Joe Biden won with approximately 49.5% of the popular vote.
Michigan: Joe Biden won with approximately 50.6% of the popular vote.
Arizona: Joe Biden won with approximately 49.4% of the popular vote.

The system in America is rigged so a Presidential candidate only needs to win (I think) 6 states - the rest are basically predetermined.

Yep sure is .So you got to play the old Christain Judayo Christian .Protestant Roman Catholic ticket .If Trump gets the Nomination he will win .I was talking to two nuns over from the States who said the Catholic Church is very Pro Republicans telling the Faithfull that only the Republicans will protect the unborn and keep the ban on abortion .Its that 3% thing again .In some states just bring back the death penalty will win the state for you .In others legalise Cannabis gets you the 3% .Imagine Trump or Biden are the best the USA has to offer neither would get on the Pigeon Club Committee that organises cleaning bird shit out of transport crates .
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« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2023, 02:32:45 pm »
Yeah, there's something odd when a 77 yr old accuses an 80 yr old of being too old for the job and a lot of people nod their head in agreement.

Having said that, Trump is starting to lose it (verbally etc) in his public appearences.  Did you see that video of him just discovering that US (United States) is spelled the same as us (the American people)?  Not sure if he's finally cracked under the legal pressures or if he's setting himself up for an insanity/dementia plea.
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