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Is McGregor the Irish Trump?
« on: December 05, 2023, 07:19:42 pm »











The flamboyant, ridiculous mixed martial arts fighter Conor McGregor is considering a run for the Irish presidency. ‘Potential competition if I run,’ he tweeted yesterday, along with a picture of Gerry Adams, Bertie Ahern and Enda Kenny, the three septuagenarian current favourites for the job. ‘Each with unbreakable ties to their individual parties politics… Or me, 35. Young, active, passionate, fresh skin in the game. I listen. I support. I adapt. I have no affiliation/bias/favoritism toward any party. They would genuinely be held to account regarding the current sway of public feeling. I’d even put it all to vote. There’d be votes every week to make sure. I can fund. It would not be me in power as President, people of Ireland. It would be me and you.’ No less a person than Elon Musk, the owner of the X platform, replied: ‘I think you could take them all single-handed. Not even fair.’

Like Trump, McGregor is energetic, unpredictable and a born fighter

It’s tempting to dismiss McGregor’s bid as a typically absurd PR stunt from an athlete who, while young enough for politics, is past his prime as a fighter. He’s a publicity addict who spends a lot of time promoting various businesses on social media. But that would be to overlook the madness of global politics at the moment, the appeal of wrestling to the popular psyche, and the strangeness of what has been happening in Ireland in recent weeks.

More than Gerry, Bertie and Enda, Conor appears to have his finger on the Irish pulse. Shortly after a deeply distressing incident in Dublin two weeks ago, in which a mother and three children were stabbed, he took to social media in bombastic fashion, writing: ‘Ireland, we are at war’. The city then experienced its worst riots in recent history, with anger at suggestions that the attacker was a foreign national. Authorities are now examining McGregor’s social media posts to determine if his colourful comments could have incited hatred.

That is, of course, up for discussion. What can’t be denied is that many of my countrymen are fed up. Ireland has already lost faith in its religious leaders. Now it is losing faith in the ruling political class. Recent polling found that half of the republic no longer trusts its government. Meanwhile, immigration into the country has increased by 50 per cent year-on-year, now at a higher rate than even the UK. McGregor knows what he thinks of this, telling his followers: ‘You reap what you sow’.



Michael D. Higgins, the current president, has historically been a popular figure. In 2019, he was found to be the third most admired man in Ireland after David Attenborough and Barack Obama. However, he has started straying into more politicised territory, contentious given the president is the head of state and, as such, is expected to sit above politics. Last year he pointedly called the country’s housing market a ‘disaster’, echoing Sinn Fein, whose leader described that intervention as ‘noble’. The next presidential election takes place in 2025 and Higgins, who by then will have finished his second term, will not be permitted to run again.

Of course, it would be a huge leap for McGregor, who has had a large number of legal troubles in the past, to even get into the ring of a presidential showdown. He himself seems to realise that. Earlier today, he responded to Musk’s praise, with a fairly detailed description of the qualifications he’d need just to get on the ballot. ‘Then the waffle begins,’ he said. ‘Hope all is well bro, congrats on the App and rebrand to X, it is flying like those rockets!’

McGregor’s election would not be all that much more ridiculous than that of Donald Trump to the White House in 2016. Like Trump, McGregor is energetic, unpredictable and a born fighter. He is a can of Monster in human form. Both men love to trash talk. And, like Trump, McGregor is excellent at insults.

Ireland is renowned for its stale, spineless politicians, the type of people who spend their entire lives dodging important questions and ironing their pants. McGregor is different. He’s a wild man – and when it comes to the Irish political scene, there’s a growing desire for something different, something wild.

To understand why McGregor could defy all odds to become the next president of Ireland, it helps also to go back to 1957, when Roland Barthes published an essay titled ‘The World of Wrestling’. The general public, he wrote, is well aware of the distinction between boxing and wrestling, which is a sort of semi-scripted act. The former is – or at least was – seen as a noble sport, with a set of specific skills and rules that all participants must master and abide by. Boxers can train in order to improve their technique and fitness. Wrestling is an entirely different animal. It is, by design, almost lawless and contestants are encouraged to improvise, even cheat, to win matches. Wrestling, Barthes wrote:

Is a sum of spectacles, of which no single one is a function… a sort of unrestrained fantasia where the rules, the laws of the genre, the referee’s censuring and the limits of the ring are abolished, swept away by a triumphant disorder which overflows into the hall.

In 2015, the journalist Judd Legum noted that Trump, a member of the WWE Hall of Fame, deploys this wrestling psychology. ‘In the current campaign, Trump is behaving like a professional wrestler while Trump’s opponents are conducting the race like a boxing match. As the rest of the field measures up their next jab, Trump decks them over the head with a metal chair.’

Mixed Martial Arts is more real than WWE – but the theatre is not dissimilar. And its viral online appeal is vast: McGregor’s tweet yesterday has already had 3.7 million views. While Higgins and Varadkar perform monotonously on the likes of RTE, the state broadcaster, McGregor can be found on Instagram and Twitter, swinging around the metal chair. Most Irish politicians excel at speaking boring, PC-friendly language, while McGregor speaks like a real Irishman. He is full of passion, confusion and rage. In his madcap way, he is the voice of an increasingly unsettled nation.



WRITTEN BY
John Mac Ghlionn
John Mac Ghlionn is a researcher and essayist. His work has been published in Newsweek and the New York Post


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Re: Is McGregor the Irish Trump?
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2023, 07:23:27 pm »
Ok doesn't mention rape allegations there
Also Trump doesn't do coke or drink it is alleged
Trump isn't on tik tok leaving crack dens on the barn

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Re: Is McGregor the Irish Trump?
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2023, 08:27:36 pm »
Well he was a promising footballer back in the day so anything possible.... ::fuck ::fuck ::fuck

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Re: Is McGregor the Irish Trump?
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2023, 08:53:26 pm »
For anybody Interested .Berty Aherne @ 12/1 .Why .You need to be nominated by TWENTY TDs or Senators so a useless piece of Shit like Mc Gregor has no Fucking Chance .Now for the REAL Politics .FG will never get a second Prefrence vote from a Sf voter .So FG would need to get 50% +1 vote from about 60% of the electorate so Mc Gregor probably has a better chance of being President than any FG candidate .

Who will represent the Left  Profit from the People + Labour + Social Dems could not agree on a Left Candidate .

So now you only have two options Sf or FF .Here is the Logic if they form the Next Coalition then they will Nominate a Single Candidate as the Government Candidate .Bertie worked with the Shinners on the Good Friday Agreement if he wants it he gats it and there will be no Election .He will be the only candidate .Half of all Irish Presidents never stood for Election .

Berty @ 12/1 is overpriced .If I was betting for a Bookie I would make Berty 4/6 and any other 1/1 .People forget FF did not contest the last two Elections so Councils could nominate candidates this time that will not happen .I think it will be a one horse race .

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Re: Is McGregor the Irish Trump?
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2023, 07:09:01 pm »
For anybody Interested .Berty Aherne @ 12/1 .Why .You need to be nominated by TWENTY TDs or Senators so a useless piece of Shit like Mc Gregor has no Fucking Chance .Now for the REAL Politics .FG will never get a second Prefrence vote from a Sf voter .So FG would need to get 50% +1 vote from about 60% of the electorate so Mc Gregor probably has a better chance of being President than any FG candidate .

Who will represent the Left  Profit from the People + Labour + Social Dems could not agree on a Left Candidate .

So now you only have two options Sf or FF .Here is the Logic if they form the Next Coalition then they will Nominate a Single Candidate as the Government Candidate .Bertie worked with the Shinners on the Good Friday Agreement if he wants it he gats it and there will be no Election .He will be the only candidate .Half of all Irish Presidents never stood for Election .

Berty @ 12/1 is overpriced .If I was betting for a Bookie I would make Berty 4/6 and any other 1/1 .People forget FF did not contest the last two Elections so Councils could nominate candidates this time that will not happen .I think it will be a one horse race .
Then I'll vote for Vauban! 8)

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Re: Is McGregor the Irish Trump?
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2023, 07:33:00 pm »
 I gave you two winners Silver Leister and O Briens Horse .If you can think of any other FF candidate let me know .They have been out of Real Power for years so no high profiler unless they go for Tubberdys Cousin .Andrews with the Shinner connection .
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Re: Is McGregor the Irish Trump?
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2023, 07:45:41 pm »
I gave you two winners Silver Leister and O Briens Horse .If you can think of any other FF candidate let me know .They have been out of Real Power for years so no high profiler unless they go for Tubberdys Cousin .Andrews with the Shinner connection .

I'd guess they'll opt for another woman if only to shut her up.

My money would be on someone like : http://catherineconnolly.com/


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Re: Is McGregor the Irish Trump?
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2023, 10:42:47 pm »
I gave you two winners Silver Leister and O Briens Horse .If you can think of any other FF candidate let me know .They have been out of Real Power for years so no high profiler unless they go for Tubberdys Cousin .Andrews with the Shinner connection .

I'd guess they'll opt for another woman if only to shut her up.

My money would be on someone like : http://catherineconnolly.com/


Good Shout Silver I have met her and her PPS who lives in Rathgar .If her name was on the ballot paper I would vote for her .Very clever level headed woman .Not one of the Clittorati who shout only Women Bleed .Again where would she get 20 members of the Oireachtas to Nominate Her .
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Re: Is McGregor the Irish Trump?
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2023, 05:27:57 pm »
I can see the connection.  One likes to see his name on the side of buildings while the other one writes it on his tummy...

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Re: Is McGregor the Irish Trump?
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2023, 05:50:16 pm »
I can see the connection.  One likes to see his name on the side of buildings while the other one writes it on his tummy...


I've always believed that tattoos are best suited for identifying corpses. Fingers crossed. 8)

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Re: Is McGregor the Irish Trump?
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2023, 06:21:58 pm »
my eyesight is absolutely gash.
the only time i wear my glasses is when i'm driving. i've never liked antin hangin on me watches, rings, glasses etc.
i walk round in a blur.
anyway i was round a friend's gaff and a friend of his was there when i arrived sittin across the table. my eyesight is muck as i say and i could'nt see him. he was darkey haired with a beard that's all i knew. very nice pleasant chap talkin to him all night. anyway the subject of tattoos came up. he musta brought it up. i fuckin hate tattoos i says. absolutely scaldy lookin yokes i says etc. bowsies, gougers and itinerants is all that get them and he kinda went quiet.
anyway at the end of the night i got up to shake his hand and when i got up close to him i realised he was covered in fuckin tattoos including on his chevy chase.
i wudda been mortified but then i realised i did'nt give a fuck. fuck ye i said.

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Re: Is McGregor the Irish Trump?
« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2023, 06:37:10 pm »
my eyesight is absolutely gash.
the only time i wear my glasses is when i'm driving. i've never liked antin hangin on me watches, rings, glasses etc.
i walk round in a blur.
anyway i was round a friend's gaff and a friend of his was there when i arrived sittin across the table. my eyesight is muck as i say and i could'nt see him. he was darkey haired with a beard that's all i knew. very nice pleasant chap talkin to him all night. anyway the subject of tattoos came up. he musta brought it up. i fuckin hate tattoos i says. absolutely scaldy lookin yokes i says etc. bowsies, gougers and itinerants is all that get them and he kinda went quiet.
anyway at the end of the night i got up to shake his hand and when i got up close to him i realised he was covered in fuckin tattoos including on his chevy chase.
i wudda been mortified but then i realised i did'nt give a fuck. fuck ye i said.
Innermost thoughts tattoo'd on the outside of a body...as if that would make a normal person want to talk to you.

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Re: Is McGregor the Irish Trump?
« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2023, 06:39:49 pm »
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Could Conor McGregor be Ireland’s Donald Trump? Absolutely
He has a fervent fan base, a genius for personal branding and the toxic narcissism that is the political style of our times

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Rapidly-changing performances of the masculine self – from Conor McGregor (above) to Donald Trump.

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Tue Dec 5 2023 - 06:00

Long before he entered politics, Donald Trump climbed into another sweaty ring: the world of pro wrestling. As the host of WWE’s huge WrestleMania (sic) events, he was immersed, out of sight of most politicians and journalists, in the workings of this peculiar performance art.

In 2015, when Trump was cutting a swathe through the Republican presidential primaries, Chauncey DeVega wrote in Salon that “the playbook employed by Trump over the past several months bears an uncanny resemblance to the storytelling and character-building stratagem of professional wrestling.” Which is why the idea of Conor McGregor as the figurehead the Irish far-right craves must be taken seriously.

Ireland does not have a Marine Le Pen, a Giorgia Meloni, a Geert Wilders. But I think we are looking in the wrong place. The model that might work in Ireland is American, not European. It is Trump, not Viktor Orbán.

DeVega, a WWE fan himself, pointed out that in the pro wrestling ecosystem, a new species had evolved. Typically, WWE had the “face” (the good guy) and the “heel” (the bad guy). But then came the “tweener”, the heel who is also the face.


“Villains who consistently entertain crowds”, DeVega wrote, “can come to command more respect and admiration than their benevolent counterparts, even in spite of behaviour that could be characterised, from a normative standpoint, as contemptible. What happens then, when the villain, because of their charisma, speaking ability, physical talent, or some intangible becomes popular with wrestling fans?”

What happens is Trump. This is why he is impervious to ignominy. So what if he’s a rapist, a fraudster and a coup-monger? The response of his fans to the revelation that their hero is a heel is “well, duh!” That’s the point of the performance: the thrill of falling for the villain.




Could McGregor be our Trump? Absolutely. He occupies a similar space now to the one Trump inhabited before 2015: immensely famous, with a fervent fan base, a persona forged in cod-gladiatorial showbusiness, a genius for personal branding and a toxic narcissism that is the political style of our times.

What the far-right in Ireland currently lacks is entertainment value. Its would-be Duces are dumb and dull. Its hard core is humourless zealotry. It does not have the “g’wan ya good thing” factor, the over-the-top performative outrage that is at once all a joke and deadly serious.

What Trump delivers to his fans is trash talk. Trash talk is a form of ritualised rhetoric that originates in sports: nasty, insulting, belittling, disparaging, often vile – but all in quotation marks. It is meant but not meant. Trump’s genius is to grasp how this form can work in democratic politics, how it can be used to insert fascist tropes into public discourse while simultaneously disavowing them.

The wrestler doesn’t “mean” to call his opponent’s wife a w***e – but he does. Trump doesn’t “mean” that Mexicans are rapists and his opponents are vermin – but he does.

McGregor has long used trash talk to licence similar forays into the unspeakable. He told Floyd Mayweather, “Dance for me, boy”. He called Nate Diaz, who is Mexican-American, a “cholo gangster from the hood.” Before fighting the Brazilian Jose Aldo, he announced that “I would invade his favela on horseback and would kill anyone who wasn’t fit to work”. But none of this is racist – it’s just trash talk.

And McGregor’s been testing the Irish market for political trash talk. “Ireland, we are at war.” “There is a grave danger upon us.” “Make change, or make way.” “A move must be made to ensure the change we need is ushered in. And fast! I am in the process of arranging.”


He uses the tweet-and-delete method to disseminate incendiary thoughts to millions of followers and then clean them from the digital record. A tweet that seemed to suggest “evaporating” properties before they could be used as accommodation centres for refugees and asylum seekers vanished into the ether.

What he’s doing is throwing shapes. He’s shadow boxing, trying out moves. And all of those moves are to the far right. Never mind that his primary political demand – that immigrants who commit crimes should be deported – would, if enforced in the United States, lead to his own deportation. (In 2018, he pleaded guilty to a single count of disorderly conduct in New York, having been filmed throwing a trolley through the window of a bus.) As Trump has shown, hypocrisy, in this kind of politics, is the new authenticity.

McGregor is not (as Aodhán Ó Ríordáin called him in the Dáil) a gobdaw. He is one of the most successful brand-builders of our times. Trump inherited his wealth; McGregor parlayed a talent for a minority sport, mixed martial arts, into worldwide fame and lavish wealth.

He has branded whiskey, stout, dining, underwear, ties, cryotherapy sprays, suits and training apps. And now he wants to brand Ireland itself with his X handles, which are #GOD #EIRE #FAMILY.

This brand fuses religious piety (Pray EVERYDAY!!, his X profile instructs his followers) with gangsta hedonism, macho-strut with family values, the old god of Irish-Catholicism with a gold-plated Mammon, bullying aggression with the promise of protection, chauvinistic nationalism with global celebrity, fame with notoriety. It’s a very American blend – and a potentially heady cocktail in an Ireland with a disenfranchised Catholic right and a social infrastructure lagging far behind its population growth.

It’s a long way from that potential to the reality of political power. McGregor’s rapid retreat from his more inflammatory rhetoric in the aftermath of the Dublin riot showed that too many of his would-be political followers do not have his fancy footwork and mistake the throwing of shapes for the throwing of petrol bombs.


Creating a voting public as fully attuned to the politics of trash talk as Trump’s fans are is not easy. But it is not so hard to imagine the night rallies with #GOD #EIRE #FAMILY on the branded banners.

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Re: Is McGregor the Irish Trump?
« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2023, 03:12:50 pm »

I have great admiration for a kid that went to the gym an worked extremely hard on himself an
Ended up in a mansion in dalkey.......when so many others in working class area ended up as junkies , dealers or dead ...say wat ya like about him ....but ya have to have tremendous discipline , motivation,  ambition and determination to do what he has done in  what most definitely is the most ruthless and extreme sport that exists .....
On top of that he now is the first and maybe even the only vocal opponent  celebrity to have the courage to speak out against a government that has lost reality and is completely at odds with the vast majority of citizens of this country and a government that is openly hostile to free speech ...and is weekly  bringing in oppressive  laws that are targeting the indigenous population and bringing in surveillance to be used to sanction those who express their democratic Right to protest ....
I wish there was more like him to bring hope to a country that is in grave trouble

Ide rather be a poor master than a rich servant

 


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