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[John m]

Am I wrong or incorrect but can a taxi use ANY Buslane as long as it is not a contraflow .All the traffic at Education Corner travels in the same direction .Its probably assumed that Professional taxi drivers would at least know their own operational rules .

[watty]

That's what we're trying to figure out here.  The signs contradict what most of us think is correct and the signs seem to contradict each other as well.

[silverbullet]

If DCC don't hear anything during the installation by way of representation they'll assume we agree with the exclusion.

Dublin Chamber of Commerce should be up in arms. Who in their right mind goes to a restaurant, bar, or shopping with a damned bicycle?

[Octavia1]

If DCC don't hear anything during the installation by way of representation they'll assume we agree with the exclusion.

Dublin Chamber of Commerce should be up in arms. Who in their right mind goes to a restaurant, bar, or shopping with a damned bicycle?

That's wat I was tinkin ....whatever bout a temporary neon sign .....the big  metal one does not include "taxi" ....that means taxis are excluded.....100% ......why not a word from anyone ?
It's bit weird ......its kinda bringing in pedestrianised dame Street by stealth .....start wit the taxis cause everyone hates them cnuts 

[silverbullet]

If DCC don't hear anything during the installation by way of representation they'll assume we agree with the exclusion.

Dublin Chamber of Commerce should be up in arms. Who in their right mind goes to a restaurant, bar, or shopping with a damned bicycle?

That's wat I was tinkin ....whatever bout a temporary neon sign .....the big  metal one does not include "taxi" ....that means taxis are excluded.....100% ......why not a word from anyone ?
It's bit weird ......its kinda bringing in pedestrianised dame Street by stealth .....start wit the taxis cause everyone hates them cnuts 

Whatever about us f**ks with our roof signs, the Limos/Hackneys will get a hard time trying to drop civil servants off at Nassau Street and Kildare Street.

[Firewall]

I work only nights and I use every road available to me. Never been stopped once and asked where I'm going, and I drive a limo.
D'Olier Street to Dame Street
Dame Street to Westmorland Street
George's Street onto Dame Street(turning right)
Dawson Street to College Green via Nassau Street
Even go down Pearse Street to College Green.

[vandriver]

Taxis may use non contra flow bus lanes,so I'd say we're golden.

[silverbullet]

Taxis may use non contra flow bus lanes,so I'd say we're golden.

Goldin ya say?
https://www.independent.ie/regionals/wicklow/bray-news/golden-girls/27635773.html

[Belker]

Am I wrong or incorrect but can a taxi use ANY Buslane as long as it is not a contraflow .All the traffic at Education Corner travels in the same direction .Its probably assumed that Professional taxi drivers would at least know their own operational rules .

This is the actual full law from the NTA website;

Bus lanes

The Road Traffic Regulations 1997 permit taxis in the course of business to use normal (with-flow) bus lanes.

A taxi can use a normal (with-flow) bus lane only while it is operating as an SPSV – carrying a passenger, on the way to pick up a pre-booked customer, or plying for hire. Taxis must not use bus lanes if they are not operating as an SPSV – for example, driving home at the end of a shift, travelling on personal business, or transporting only goods and not passengers.

Taxis are not allowed to use contra-flow bus lanes (in which traffic travels in the opposite direction to the traffic beside it) under any circumstances.

https://www.nationaltransport.ie/taxi/operating-an-spsv/

[John m]

Taxi drivers complaining about signs .If the sign is not in the Rules of the road but is some sort of Notice put up by the Council does it have any legal standing ?Is it just a by law not a Road traffic act ?Councils seem to put up signs everywhere for everything .

[Rat Catcher]

I think the council are pulling these signs out of the parts bin! 

I went the other way today - from Dame St southbound towards Westmoreland St.
Right turn from Georges St onto Dame St:  Public Service Vehicles, Motorbikes, Bicycles
@ Pens Corner where private cars turn right: Buses, Taxis, Bicycles & Access
College Green @ taxi rank: Public Transport only.

And as a reminder:
Southbound from D'Olier St to Dame St, it's:  Buses, Trams & Bicycles
And RC spotted a mobile sign: Public Transport Only

I think I said Public Service Vehicle only but I did pass by a couple of times on Saturday evening and I think your interpretation is actually closer to the truth insofar as I'm pretty sure the neon info billboards use the term Public Transport... which - if a legal definition? - doesn't include taxis, hackneys or limousines.

Edit: there's actually two billboards displaying the same message - although both in rotation with other messages/graphics - one on D'Olier/Westmoreland St and the other right at the start of the restricted passageway.... at least there was on Saturday evening.

[Rat Catcher]

Am I wrong or incorrect but can a taxi use ANY Buslane as long as it is not a contraflow .All the traffic at Education Corner travels in the same direction .Its probably assumed that Professional taxi drivers would at least know their own operational rules .

You are wrong... but, however surprisingly, not entirely wrong.

In legal terms Taxis may use with-flow bus lanes i.e bus lanes within which traffic travels in the same direction as the traffic beside it.

NTAs interpretation of the same is as follows ( from https://www.nationaltransport.ie/taxi/operating-an-spsv/ ):

Bus lanes

The Road Traffic Regulations 1997 permit taxis in the course of business to use normal (with-flow) bus lanes.

A taxi can use a normal (with-flow) bus lane only while it is operating as an SPSV – carrying a passenger, on the way to pick up a pre-booked customer, or plying for hire. Taxis must not use bus lanes if they are not operating as an SPSV – for example, driving home at the end of a shift, travelling on personal business, or transporting only goods and not passengers.

Taxis are not allowed to use contra-flow bus lanes (in which traffic travels in the opposite direction to the traffic beside it) under any circumstances.

Hackneys and  are not permitted to use bus lanes.

As far as I recall College Green Northside to Southside narrows to one lane in which case there is no adjacent lane of traffic traveling in the same direction i.e. the only adjacent lane(s) are on the right hand side traveling in the opposite direction?

[John m]

Again who put up the Neon Sign does it have any legal standing .It could say Big Dommos Pitch and Toss School now open .

[Rat Catcher]

I don't think they have any legal weight at least insofar as they are not defined as regulatory signs. However, as I'm sure you are aware, they are referenced within the Rules of the Road as follows:

Variable Message Signs (VMS)
These signs provide information in an electronic format and are designed to inform you of a range of issues relating to roads, roadworks and road safety. The content of the sign will change, depending on the situation. You should pay particular attention to these signs and messages.

[watty]

Does a VMS sign over-rule the legal roadsign?

Not the same but I was coming back from Blanch S.C. the other day and where the N3 becomes the Navan Road (I guess), there's a 30km/hr sign stenciled on the road while just beside it, there was a 40km/hr road sign!  Now if I did either speed, someone would run into the back of me but I wonder which speed limit I'm supposed to adhere to?