Langer refused to have bank account to facilitate card payments.

[silverbullet]

He obviously never heard of MyPos card readers. with MyPos you don't need a bank account.

Sheeesh!

Cork taxi driver in the trade for 42 years appeals revocation of licence for refusing to accept card payments
The crux of the matter is that Mr Wyse refuses to have a bank account and this makes it impossible for him to take card payments in his taxi. He has signs up in his taxi to say he takes cash only.
Cork taxi driver in the trade for 42 years appeals revocation of licence for refusing to accept card payments
Judge Mary Dorgan said the state was issuing fixed penalty notices on William Wyse of Onslow Gardens, Commons Road, Cork, where there were complaints of him not accepting card payments in his taxi.

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Liam Heylin
A taxi driver who faces the loss of his taxi licence for refusing to accept card payments came to court today to appeal against the revocation and the presiding judge asked the state to consider the proportionality of its response in effectively taking away the man’s livelihood.

Judge Mary Dorgan said the state was issuing fixed penalty notices on William Wyse of Onslow Gardens, Commons Road, Cork, where there were complaints of him not accepting card payments in his taxi.

But the judge questioned the proportionality of the state’s response in going further and revoking the taxi driver’s licence as well.

The judge adjourned the appeal until November 28 for submissions from the state to see if the matter could be resolved without taking the licence from a man who has been in the taxi trade for 42 years.

The crux of the matter is that Mr Wyse refuses to have a bank account and this makes it impossible for him to take card payments in his taxi. He has signs up in his taxi to say he takes cash only. And he said at Cork District Court that he tells every passenger sitting in to his car that it is cash only.

While the judge said that anybody could take the view that they did not want to have a bank account, the regulations required taxi drivers to take card payments.

The judge said she presumed the rational behind the regulations was to allow for people to get home safely by tapping their payment when they had run out of cash late at night.

While the judge invited the state to be ‘proportionate’ in its response to Mr Wyse, she did add as an aside to Mr Wyse when she adjourned the case, “It would be great in the meantime if you got an old bank account because that would sort it out.”

Garda Conor McDermot said the regulations required that taxi drivers would accept payment by card but added, “We have tried everything we can to try to get Mr Wyse to comply with the regulations.”


The judge did say to Mr Wyse during the hearing that anyone could decide not to have a bank account, “but if you are a taxi driver you have to have a bank account to facilitate cashless payments.”

Mr Wyse said that since the financial crash he had no bank account, post office account or credit union account since 2010. He has two functioning card machines in his taxi but cannot use them in the absence of a bank account.

Among a number of arguments against taking card payments he said there was discrimination against taxis because in some other modes of public transport cash payments were allowed and bank card payments were not.

The National Transport Authority previously stated, “It is a legal requirement for each taxi to have a functioning cashless payment device and for drivers to accept cashless payments. The law was introduced on 1st September 2022 At one stage during the hearing at Anglesea Street courthouse this afternoon he said that if he won the Lotto the millions would have to go into his wife’s bank account. To laughter in court, Judge Dorgan said that had gone on the record now.

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/arid-41475262.html

[watty]

Fair play to the wyse Judge for giving him a last chance to sort himself out.

It could get interesting if some constitutional rights lawyers get involved though:
- Another paper mentioned the judge saying something about his constitutional right to work & the fine being a bit of a sledgehammer to crack a nut...
- As the driver says, there's no law that says you have to have a bank account so is a card machine an unfair burden?  And nobody's looking for buses/trains etc to get card machines.  So why should the sPSV part of public transport be 'discriminated' against? 
- And cash is legal tender and he's telling people pre-contract that he is cash-only.  If another business (eg restaurant) stuck up a cash-only sign on their front door, that would be perfectly legal.

Tis funny though.  When the law first came in, I used to joke to the passengers that the rules were specifically written that you had to have a *working* card machine because the NTA knew there'd be a lot of fukking around.  And here we are 2 years later...

[silverbullet]

Fair play to the wyse Judge for giving him a last chance to sort himself out.

It could get interesting if some constitutional rights lawyers get involved though:
- Another paper mentioned the judge saying something about his constitutional right to work & the fine being a bit of a sledgehammer to crack a nut...
- As the driver says, there's no law that says you have to have a bank account so is a card machine an unfair burden?  And nobody's looking for buses/trains etc to get card machines.  So why should the sPSV part of public transport be 'discriminated' against? 
- And cash is legal tender and he's telling people pre-contract that he is cash-only.  If another business (eg restaurant) stuck up a cash-only sign on their front door, that would be perfectly legal.

Tis funny though.  When the law first came in, I used to joke to the passengers that the rules were specifically written that you had to have a *working* card machine because the NTA knew there'd be a lot of fukking around.  And here we are 2 years later...

I use the MyPos card like a debit card everywhere.

[C5]

Why didn't he use his wife's bank account if he didn't want his own bank account?, the clown.

[John m]

More Moronic Sub normal educational Fucktards limited to drving taxis .You fucking Shit heads .Legal tender is Cash only Cash everything  else is a contract backed by a company not a Government to Pay you .Taxi drivers must be at least a billion IQpoints below Idiot If they think they are the only service provider who needs to accept Cards .Does a Whore or a Priest need to Accept Cards ,You pathetic no good cunts .You are selling your mates and industry down the swanney .FUCK OFF YOU PIECES OF PISS IF YOU THINK THIS MAN IS WRONG .

[Octavia1]

More Moronic Sub normal educational Fucktards limited to drving taxis .You fucking Shit heads .Legal tender is Cash only Cash everything  else is a contract backed by a company not a Government to Pay you .Taxi drivers must be at least a billion IQpoints below Idiot If they think they are the only service provider who needs to accept Cards .Does a Whore or a Priest need to Accept Cards ,You pathetic no good cunts .You are selling your mates and industry down the swanney .FUCK OFF YOU PIECES OF PISS IF YOU THINK THIS MAN IS WRONG .

John ... its called evolution.... or progress ....if you don't adapt ... yur left behind .... money is going on the internet .... has the crypto not showed you that ?
Most drivers now are turning off the "  accept cash " button ...why ?  Because they know they will get paid ....
Wat we are witnessing is a monumental  evolutionionary leap in " MONEY" ...how wealth is transfered ... ther are pros and cons .... the cons are " big brother" .. ther will be no tax evasion  in the very near  future ... avoiding is another science for which ya need a good accountant...
I put it to ya that this guy is fighting a losing battle....an he's fighting it cause he doesn't need his taxi to make a living ....that guy is retired I'm guessing.... probably has a cople of rental properties or a big company pension an he's havin fun fighting the system because he can ... he's made his money that's me guess .....
If yur going all cash today in yur taxi yull be fukin broke .... or like horse an yurself your already " arrived " ....mortgage
Paid ... ya don't need much to survive .... congratulations.... but .... as ya know thers blokes out ther workin 24 / 7 to survive wit a wife an yung kids an most of them are immigrant... they have to toe the line an take every opportunity to make money they can ... that entails basically  worse  slavery that they came to Ireland to escape from ther own country ...
You and I and most on here are comfortable... and can make choices ... but the majority of taxi drivers through design by the eec ....are fuking slaves to the system...a dirty rotton corrupted fuking hell hole we are going into   that  I remember you pointed out sometimes ago is puttin ordinary people back to the 18th and 19th century... wer the rich get richer ...an yu know the rest .... how do we prevent ourselves and more importantly our kids becoming slaves .... we get them to invest in the very thing that controls them ....." MONEY " ...I've bean tellin yis all for 3 yers wer money is evolving to.. the internet will control our lives beyond the imaginable ...
Wat are ya goin do about it ?
 

[John m]

Occi read this carefully He is Going to Be Enoched .The Judge said It would be nice if he could get a bank Account .Now this is an APPEAL against a Refusal to issue a Taxi Licence .He has no stand to leg on one of the Conditions to drive a taxi is you accept card payments a small increase in taxi fares was introduced to cover the cost to drivers .So is he trading Fraudulently by not accepting card payments ?

 This is another Enoch making a stand that has no real merit .Judge cannot really over rule the Licencing Authority .Unless she decides that its unreasonable to demand that Only the Taxi trade and No other Transport provider is required to accept card payments in fact no other business in the State is mandated to accept card Payments .No other business in the State is Restricted in demanding to be paid in Legal tender .

I have a Card holds Crypto Currency .Does a Taxi need to accept that card .They accept cards in British £or Yankee$ or Polish Zalotties .Would we be breaking the law if we accepted a card denominated in Roubles .Whats the Law .


As this thing stands this Bloke is going to have to get a card maching and accept cards or lose his job .Now if he loses his job and his income and goes bankrupt .Can a Bankrupt hold a Bank Account .Vicious Circle Sort of thing .

Sort of strange though Drunk gets a Bus home from the Pub he needs cash to pay the fare but he can pay a taxi by card .I am totally in favour of cards but One Man only in the Whole Country who loses his job because he hasent got a bank account seems like a slippery slope .Is there a chance he just carries on driving without a licence not accepting the ruling and joins Enoch ?

[Bob Shillin]

Dublin buses can't accept cash.

[John m]

Dublin buses can't accept cash.

Since When The last time i got the bus I paid 10p in Cash .

[Octavia1]

Yu an ratt  johnny  are amongst  the first in the country that can accept  instant payment wit zero fees on yur tangem ....imagine that ...yer years ahead of the apes 

[silverbullet]

Dublin buses can't accept cash.

Since When The last time i got the bus I paid 10p in Cash .

You can pay cash - but must have the exact fare.

From Citizen's advice:
Paying with cash
You must have the exact fare and only coins (not notes) are accepted. No change is given. You can pay the bus driver.

Leap Cards
You can save up to 30% by using a Leap Card compared to paying with cash. Leap Cards are accepted by all Dublin Bus services, such as Airlink, Xpresso and Nitelink. They are also valid for Bus Éireann city and town services, and commuter and rural routes (TFI Local Link). They can be used to buy tickets using Expressway services.

There are different types of Leap Cards:

Adult
Adult personalised
Child 5-15 years old
Child 16-18 years old
Young adult 19-25 years old
Student
Visitor
You can buy a visitor Leap Card and choose between a one-day or 3 days or 7-day pass. You can buy a ticket online or at various locations. See where you can buy a leap card on leapcard.ie.

Prepaid tickets
You can also pay your fare before you travel using a prepaid ticket. You can buy one ahead of time at the bus station or download it to your phone from the TFI app.

On Bus Eireann services, you also have an option to order your ticket online.

Free Travel Passes
Free Travel is available to some people who are permanently living in Ireland. You can use a Free Travel Pass on most Bus Éireann services and on Local Link services. You cannot use it on Airlink services.

Bus timetables
Departure times are available on the TFI website, at certain bus stops or through the smartphone app.

You can plan your journey and access bus timetables on the Dublin Bus website.

On the Bus Éireann website, you can plan your journey and check timetables.

Rural transport
TFI (Transport for Ireland) Local Link provides links between rural transport and national bus and rail services throughout Ireland.

As well as regular rural services, Local Link provides door-to-door services that can be pre-booked with your Local Link office.

Find out more about rural transport and Local Link services.

Complaints
Complain about a Dublin Bus service
If you have a complaint about a Dublin Bus service, you can:

Phone 01 873 4222
Email customercomment@dublinbus.ie
Write to their customer comment desk
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You should include as much detail as possible, such as:

The date and time of travel
The bus route number
The bus registration number and
Where you were leaving and going.
You can read the Dublin Bus customer charter on its website.

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Public transport companies offer a range of accessibility services.

You can find information on the Dublin Bus website about bye-laws and information for people with disabilities.

Read more about travelling on public transport with a disability or reduced mobility.

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[John m]

I hope some other taxi drivers are trying to warn this lad and are not pushing him into a place he wont back out of .Judge sort of pointed the way out .Get a Bank account .Cant see the Taxi thingey removing making it mandatory .Seems to be a touch of the Enochs he got a few fines for non compliance but didnt take the warning .

[silverbullet]

I hope some other taxi drivers are trying to warn this lad and are not pushing him into a place he wont back out of .Judge sort of pointed the way out .Get a Bank account .Cant see the Taxi thingey removing making it mandatory .Seems to be a touch of the Enochs he got a few fines for non compliance but didnt take the warning .

He could use the missusses' bank account, as Watty said, or as I keep preaching  - a MyPos debit card.

[John m]

I hope some other taxi drivers are trying to warn this lad and are not pushing him into a place he wont back out of .Judge sort of pointed the way out .Get a Bank account .Cant see the Taxi thingey removing making it mandatory .Seems to be a touch of the Enochs he got a few fines for non compliance but didnt take the warning .

He could use the missusses' bank account, as Watty said, or as I keep preaching  - a MyPos debit card.

I dont think thats the issue Silver .It reads like he thinks his civil liberties are being effected by the imposition of the requirement to have a bank account .Thinks he is fighting a Crusade against the man .Like I said I hope he dosent get Enoched digging a hole he cannot get out of .

[watty]

I've never seen one of these MyPOS cards but am I the only one who thinks 'Piece of Shite' instead of 'Point of Sale' when they see POS?



What if his wife bought a card reader and "lent" it to him?  He could use that machine and still maintain he doesn't own a machine/bank account?  I wonder would that compromise be ok with everyone?