Bit harsh, Keith. I'm pretty lazy myself but I have done long hours back when I wore a younger man's clothes - Anthony Kally's to be precise. That doesn't mean I have any objection to anyone else working hard, it's just not for me anymore. Even when I try I can't do it... I've yet to work one single hour of Ken's Golden 8 despite all the good intentions... maybe this week! I'd say the erm's pretty much of a similar mindset. As I said on another thread we're a diverse lot with diverse interests. IIRC the erm didn't actually test drive the MG5, he was just a back seat passenger... assuming that was the time I went with my brother to test drive both of the MGs on offer at the time. We just picked the erm up as the dealer was in his neighbourhood and wasn't particularly bothered how long we kept each car for, within reason. Anywaysanall, I think what the erm disliked was the sloping body reducing access to the back seats. Sure he won't be sitting in the back when he's driving!