Air India.

[Rat Catcher]

if somebody refuses a tip it usually means you're an absolute cunt and they want nothing off ye or antin to do with ye. i hadda disgruntled passanger during the lockdown who forced a dirty big tip on me. it's dreadful isn't she says what's going on. where's your safety mask incidentally. it's all a loada bollocks i says and she turned on me rantin and ravin. fare was 12 and she threw a 20 at me makin sure to tell me it wasn't a tip.

I wouldn't be an unpleasant passenger. I know what to expect from Ryanair and, as such, I'm generally more than happy with the service and I certainly wouldn't waste any unpleasantness on the staff. Furthermore, I've never had a gratuity refused in any other situation although I did once draw criticism from locals I was dining with in a provincial Italian restaurant who suggested that in the particular type of family run restaurant a tip could be viewed as an insult and for future reference it'd be far more polite to give the tip to one of the kids who were running about the place. However, others in our party assured me they wouldn't take offence as they'd be aware that foreigners often leave gratuities to acknowledge good service. In the Ryanair situation I think they are just unaccustomed to passengers offering gratuities and just assumed I done so because they had no change... which is true but I didn't adopt a reluctant tone... It was just an amicable solution to the particular problem, in my mind. I don't generally tip flight attendants, not sure why but I don't.

[MK]

Another plane crashed into college campus today in Bangladesh. The Air India one also crashed into college campus!! Also apparently its not easy to toggle the fuel switches, they are spring loaded and you have to perform another manoeuvre before you can cut it off. But the pilot denied that he switched off  as recorded in the box. I think Boeing is trying to slide its way out if this, they aren’t being transparent.


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[Rat Catcher]

I read one suggestion that they may have switched off the wrong engine which has, apparently, happened before on similar aircraft.

[Octavia1]

I read one suggestion that they may have switched off the wrong engine which has, apparently, happened before on similar aircraft.

Alledgedly.... the cockpit recording tingy recorded the captain askin the copilot why he switched off both engine fuel supplies  an the copilot Alledgedly denied it ....
But who knows untill its made public ...

[Octavia1]

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/air-india-cockpit-recording-suggests-captain-cut-fuel-engines-before-crash-2025-07-19/

This account says it was the captain that snuffed everyone ... which counters wat i read earlier...

[Octavia1]

India's Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau (AAIB), which is leading the investigation into the crash, said in a statement on Thursday that "certain sections of the international media are repeatedly attempting to draw conclusions through selective and unverified reporting." It added the investigation was ongoing and it remained too early to draw definitive conclusions.

[silverbullet]

Another plane crashed into college campus today in Bangladesh. The Air India one also crashed into college campus!! Also apparently its not easy to toggle the fuel switches, they are spring loaded and you have to perform another manoeuvre before you can cut it off. But the pilot denied that he switched off  as recorded in the box. I think Boeing is trying to slide its way out if this, they aren’t being transparent.


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The FDR will show if the fuel cutoff switches were disengaged.

[Dr. Martin Gooter Bling]

anybody else love air crash investigation.
there was one when an airliner was cruising along at night when all of a sudden this mad psychadelic light show appeared out the window. then all the engines stopped. they didn't know if they were being abducted by a flying saucer or what the story was. they managed to get the engines going but then they couldn't see out the window at all for some reason.
turns out they had flown in to a volcanic cloud. millions of tiny particles were ricocheting off the plane creating flashes of light and the particles choked the engines and sandblasted the front window and all the paint off the plane. the light show phenomenon is known as st. elmo's fire.
i was lookin at a programme today about a b-17 flying fortress that sustained a direct hit from a flak cannon to the cockpit. took the front of the plane off and killed the bombadier and co-pilot instantaneously. the cockpit was gone but the captain was able to fly the yoke by pulling at the severed aileron cables. amazing stuff.

[Rat Catcher]

Great programme. Makes you realise how inept pilots are. If the automated systems fail they're about as much use as a lifejacket in the middle of the Atlantic ocean.

The odd one that manages to exercise a remedial level of competence is hailed a hero!

[mercenary for hire]

I used to watch them but it only brings home how close to death you are if one link in the maintenance chain is weak...

An old mate of mine used to be glued to those air crash programs but he developed a phobia of flying and now needs Xanax(or something similar)to get on the plane.Sometimes the less you know the better.

I fly a fair bit like most of us and I keep thinking every time I get home safely I've used up one of my chances and statistically the more you fly the higher the chances are of being burned alive on the side of a mountain.

Oh I watched Lockerbie recently and it was a good series but that one when I was a kid always the one stat stuck out.The thoughts of a 747 landing in front of your gaff in bits is terrifying.Enjoy yer holidays lads..

[Dr. Martin Gooter Bling]

there was one about a 747 cargo plane that caught fire and broke in half mid flight.
in the manifesto was a box of discharged oxygen canisters from a military base or sumtin. what they didn't know was that the canisters were'nt fully discharged and they were still venting sizable quantities of oxygen. they were stowed in a cargo area in the belly of the plane that didn't have any fire suppression system. they reckon a toaster or sumtin short circuited creating a tiny spark. the thinking was at 35000ft there's no oxygen for any fire to even start...

[Rat Catcher]

Great to download and watch on a flight. I've never come across them on any of the inflight movie systems!

[silverbullet]

I used to watch them but it only brings home how close to death you are if one link in the maintenance chain is weak...

An old mate of mine used to be glued to those air crash programs but he developed a phobia of flying and now needs Xanax(or something similar)to get on the plane.Sometimes the less you know the better.

I fly a fair bit like most of us and I keep thinking every time I get home safely I've used up one of my chances and statistically the more you fly the higher the chances are of being burned alive on the side of a mountain.

Oh I watched Lockerbie recently and it was a good series but that one when I was a kid always the one stat stuck out.The thoughts of a 747 landing in front of your gaff in bits is terrifying.Enjoy yer holidays lads..

My house was under the flight path leading to runway 16/34 all during the 70s, 80s.

Runway 10/28R was developed later ['89 I think].

We felt as though we could touch the undercarriage of some of the aircraft. It was a sight to behold when a 747/100 passed over. Waving like maniacs at the faces at the windows.

The noisiest ones were the Boeing 707 and the BAC 1-11, operated by both Aer Lingus and Ryanair. British Airways Tridents were ear-splitting, but which were hush-kitted in later years.

[mercenary for hire]

That would drive me nuts SB.When I lived up beside Ongar the planes were particularly loud even though it's a 40 euro taxi from the Airport.Apparently there's on resident up there bombarding the the authorities with thousands of complaints a year over the noise.

I can't remember where we were flying to but one year I could actually pick out my road up there from the plane we were so close.

[silverbullet]

That would drive me nuts SB.When I lived up beside Ongar the planes were particularly loud even though it's a 40 euro taxi from the Airport.Apparently there's on resident up there bombarding the the authorities with thousands of complaints a year over the noise.

I can't remember where we were flying to but one year I could actually pick out my road up there from the plane we were so close.

Around the time the new runway was proposed East/West 10/28R IIRC, the residents around Portmarnock were apoplectic.

They came up with the acronym UPROAR

United Portmarnock Residents Oppose Airport Runway it stuck with me. Still, Aer Rianta had their way simply by insisting aircraft flew with hush-kits.

BAC 1-11 aircraft were frequently fitted with engine hush kits to reduce noise, allowing them to continue operating under stricter noise regulations. These kits, primarily designed for the Rolls-Royce Spey engines, helped the aircraft meet Stage 2 noise limits. While hush kits were effective in reducing noise, the BAC 1-11s were still known for being quite loud, even with the modifications.