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eSPSV25
« on: July 24, 2025, 03:02:16 pm »
As I may have mentioned in other threads I did apply for a grant when the second round of eSPSV25 opened. I'm still undecided whether it's a practice run for eSPSV26 (assuming there will be an eSPSV26) or whether I'm going to panic buy 5-6 months before my licence expires and 7-8 months before the current last permissible date of operation for my current vehicle which is in showroom condition with relatively low kilometreage and one careful owner, 2 owners in total.

Anywaysanall, here's where I'm at with the application process:

June 23 - completed initial application on tinternet and received acknowledgement email advising that the application would be processed within 10 working days.

July 07 - having received no further correspondence I contacted NTA by telephone and was advised that my application was then marked priority and would be dealt with that very day.

July 09 - having received no further correspondence I contacted NTA by telephone once again, was put on hold while the lady spoke with the relative department and was then advised that my application was being processed as we spoke. To be fair, I received the initial grant offer letter by email c.24 minutes later.

July 18 - printed the 21 page agreement letter and sent the same by snail mail as required.

July 22 - received second "provisional" grant offer letter.

July 24  - telephoned NTA to seek clarification on a number of points and find out what the next steps in the process are. Briefly, the discussion covered:

The latest "provisional" offer letter states that the offer will expire on the earlier of 09/09/2025 or funds no longer being available*. The extremely helpful gentlemen I spoke with advised that there is a chance that no funds will be available to reimburse my €20,000 as they had c.500 applications with funding potentially being limited to 400 payments. He noted that some applicants might apply for a lower level of grant than they eventually qualify for and get paid hence it's not an exact science at the offer stage. When pressed to quantify in percentage terms the risk of losing one's €20k he suggested a maximum of 5% risk with virtually no risk if one complies with the T&Cs sooner rather than later so, essentially, a sliding scale of 0% to 5%.

I did recall Watty recently opining that we are running businesses and ought to think like businessmen so despite finding it difficult to think of what I do (or don't do) on a day to day basis as a business I did ask if we are supposed to be running a business or chucking €20,000 on a roulette table. In any event, the gentleman wasn't prepared to commit the risk percentages - most likely no more than guesstimates intended to be as helpful as possible - to paper and advised that audio recordings of telephone calls are only available to supervisors and not to clients. He advised that the terminology in the letter is considered to be adequate in alerting applicants to the potential financial risk. He also stressed that it's extremely unlikely that any extensions will be granted in respect of round 2 offers simply because the funding is unlikely to be available... which suggests that despite what one may have read in newspaper reports extensions may have been available during round one?

Interestingly, he did ask what car I intended buying. I suggested Tesla was among the options with the qualification that the salesman in Tesla had advised me that, in his experience, NTA are extremely difficult to deal with particular reference to inflexible deadlines where certain lead times are required for delivery. The gentleman in NTA similarly advised that Tesla can be slow in fulfilling orders so it became quite apparent that there's no love lost between NTA and Tesla. Perhaps Tesla just don't invest such time/effort/money in building relationships as other dealer(s) might.

On the positive front, the gentleman advised that the 2 month time limit doesn't apply to satisfying the scrappage element of the grant. The next step is to provide them with a registration number for the new car, then within 10 working days you'll (hopefully) get another approval and can book an Initial Suitability Inspection and will receive the payment form provided there's still funding available. Then you're home and hosed, you can return the payment form and vehicle destruction certificate (if claiming scrappage) pretty much at your leisure.

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This Provisional Grant Offer lapses on 09/09/2025 or when there is no longer any amount available under the
 2025 Available Funding to be made available as an eSPSV Grant, whichever is earlier.
« Last Edit: July 24, 2025, 03:06:03 pm by Rat Catcher »
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Re: eSPSV25
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2025, 09:30:42 am »
Did you order the car ?

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Re: eSPSV25
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2025, 12:34:38 pm »
No. Like I said, I'm still undecided whether it's a practice run for eSPSV26 (assuming there will be an eSPSV26) or whether I'm going to panic buy 5-6 months before my licence expires and 7-8 months before the current last permissible date of operation for my current vehicle which is in showroom condition with relatively low kilometreage and one careful owner, 2 owners in total.

If you had asked me yesterday I woulda said I'll probably buy one now. Today I'm more leaning towards holding out 'till next year. I'm not a hard worker and don't want to be so if I hold out and for some reason don't get another grant offer in Feb it wouldn't be the end of the world, I'd still do what I do using a diesel or hybrid.

With my OCD the gamble is a concern. I like a bet but I don't believe in gambling with money I can't afford to lose... and I can't afford to lose €20,000... in fact, I'll have to borrow the €20,000 if I buy now so I'll be gambling with someone else's money. If I hold out till next year I'd expect to have the guts of it from my own resources. Also, I usually go on holiday at this time of year... with the 10 day wait for another bit of paper before one is allowed book the ISI a new car would rule out the holiday. I haven't booked anything so that's not a huge concern. I did think of just going away during the 10 day wait but I wouldn't be able to enjoy myself wondering if it's really going to be 10 days and if it doesn't happen (my initial application was seemingly ignored beyond the 10 days that was supposed to apply to that) am I going to lose €20,000 that I don't have.

In any event, I reckon I'd have plenty of time next year assuming the scheme opens in mid February as usual and assuming they process my application within a couple of weeks. I actually thought you had to comply with the scrappage element before your current licence expires. That seemingly isn't the case, you just have to get the new car licensed. Finding that out has eased my mind a little.

All that said, tomorrow I could be back leaning towards buying a car that I don't strictly need... I really am in two minds but I've promised myself not to think about it over the weekend. I might well end up just tossing a coin next Monday or Tuesday.... and, possibly, a second toss to choose between an MGS5 and ID4/BZ4X with a further toss of the coin should the VW/BZ4X side win.
« Last Edit: July 25, 2025, 12:38:57 pm by Rat Catcher »
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Re: eSPSV25
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2025, 02:40:30 pm »
Ditto--I have till May 2026 and live in the hope there's another year extension and thoughts of being 71 while spending guts 50k(allowing for home charger/new meter etc)----that said turning down the 20k Grant would be bad economics !

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Re: eSPSV25
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2025, 02:50:38 pm »
Well, I only really applied this time round on foot of a colleague/competitor telling me that one could buy a Toyota EV for less than a VW. It's actually a little bit more but not much in it. Other than that conversation I wouldn't have looked at it at all but then it kinda grew legs in my mind.
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Re: eSPSV25
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2025, 05:45:49 pm »
They've fukked up getting the public into EV's and they've fukked up getting the public to retrofit their houses.  If you were an optimist, you could argue the taxi EV transition is a success and is likely to be repeated into 2026 because it's the only positive thing the Govt can point to in this space?

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A flagship scheme to encourage homeowners to retrofit is being reviewed after struggling to take off.  The €500m Home Energy Upgrade Loan Scheme provided loans to an average of only one household a day in its first year, with borrowings totalling just €17m.  If that rate of uptake continues, less than €50m will have been provided by the time the scheme closes at the end of next year.

... The scheme was promoted as a solution to the fact that we are way behind on the 2030 target of having 500,000 homes retrofitted to BER B2 standard, and 400,000 heat pumps installed.  “A mere 355 loan approvals over an entire year are not going to make up for the shortfall.”

900,000 EV's & 500,000 retrofitted homes by 2030 rofl
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Re: eSPSV25
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2025, 07:50:09 pm »
It's certainly proved a success this year. All previous years you could apply and get a grant any time between mid Feb and mid Dec.
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Re: eSPSV25
« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2025, 11:03:10 am »
 Rats ,Can you still get the grand ,even if you are not scrapping the car ?

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Re: eSPSV25
« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2025, 11:07:07 am »
Rats ,Can you still get the grand ,even if you are not scrapping the car ?

YES .you get the coin that everybody gets for buying an EV and an extra 5k for being a taxi .
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Re: eSPSV25
« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2025, 11:10:27 am »
Ditto--I have till May 2026 and live in the hope there's another year extension and thoughts of being 71 while spending guts 50k(allowing for home charger/new meter etc)----that said turning down the 20k Grant would be bad economics !

With all the extra costs and increase in Electricity prices .If you could sell your present motor for decent coin and put it into a basic Diesel Dacia .Do the job without the stress .If you got 8 or 9 for what your driving 15 grand  more would put you in an x demo model .
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Re: eSPSV25
« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2025, 11:50:23 am »
Rats ,Can you still get the grand ,even if you are not scrapping the car ?

YES .you get the coin that everybody gets for buying an EV and an extra 5k for being a taxi .
Thanks  John .Have had the plate out on rental since Covid .My mondeo [15 reg} got rear end and written off .I bought a 21 megane 1.5 dci est.Circumstances have changed and was going to plate up the Megane in November .Mind hold off on the Elecky front for the time being .

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Re: eSPSV25
« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2025, 01:24:52 pm »
Rats ,Can you still get the grand ,even if you are not scrapping the car ?

YES .you get the coin that everybody gets for buying an EV and an extra 5k for being a taxi .
Thanks  John .Have had the plate out on rental since Covid .My mondeo [15 reg} got rear end and written off .I bought a 21 megane 1.5 dci est.Circumstances have changed and was going to plate up the Megane in November .Mind hold off on the Elecky front for the time being .

If the Plate is still attached to the Crashed vehicle it MIGHT be possible to get Scrapage BUT it might be the Licence Holder gets the Coin not you .?
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« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2025, 01:48:36 pm »
Quick Explination Golf .Your car is in the Plate owners Name .So it would be them who applies for the Grant .You would then need to Finance the Deal and hope when the check for 20K came through they handed it over .You could go through MD and they will do all the necessary at a price .You would not get Finance for a Vehicle that you would not own on Paper .
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Re: eSPSV25
« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2025, 01:55:09 pm »
It's €10k you get not €5k. The grant and VRT relief everyone gets is deducted from the sales price by the dealer... so the extra taxi grant is €10k + another €10k if you scrap a qualifying vehicle.
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« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2025, 03:41:18 pm »
Is there a qualifying time Requirement .Does the Licence need to be attached for a few years before you can qualify for the scrappage .If you crashed written off the car .Would you have to wait with the plate attached to the Wreckage to get the Grant as opposed to transferring the Plate on to another vehicle while you wait for the Grant .Meaning the time between you wrecking a car and getting the Grant and new vehicle you cannot use the Licence ? You could be off the road for months waiting .
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