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[John m]

Read that Again Golf .You rented out your Plate after Covid ?The car it was on was wrecked .Circumstances changed now you are replating a different motor .If thats the Story you would need the Wrecked motor to scrap .

Now for plate renters The lad who rents the Plate needs to put the Car in your name Probably has an FR2 change of ownership signed by you to let him regain his motor .Now He gets the plate holder to apply for the Grant but he pays the money for the car .So he now has a New EV in your name .You have a person wanting to rent the plate so win win .Now what happens if he Crashes before the 3 years are up will the Plate holder have to put another EV on the Road under the Plate or if the Car owner decides to stop working his car as a taxi .Where does the Plate owner stand .You might need to put another EV under it to rent it if the 3 year window for accepting the Grant is not reached or if its written off .

[Rat Catcher]

Car has to be the current car on the plate and it has to have been so licensed for at least 3 years and be either over 7yo or have over 300k kilos on the clock... but, as stated, you still get the other 10k without claiming the scrappage element... and it is €10k on top of the normal grants, if the erm got less he was done up like a kipper!

The car has to be registered before it can be licensed as a taxi hence it's a private car you're buying and registering. To qualify for the full (€10k + €10k) it must be under 3 months old with less than 3,000 kilos on the clock... so, technically, you you could buy it before applying for the grant but you'd want to be damn sure you're going to get the grant to do that, I guess.

[Rat Catcher]

I know one lad who put an EV on a plate he was renting. The platelord charged him (can't remember how much, probably a few grand) for facilitating the transaction. At the time I thought the platelord was taking a liberty but, on reflection, I guess it could potentially fuck him up. I guess they musta found a way of crossing the eyes and dotting the teas that protected both of their interests as far as possible.

[Rat Catcher]

Going back to the post before last...
 
When I last bought a new car back in 2004 they had just brought in a new system under which you had to pay road tax before you got the VLC (log book).

Given that we now need the VLC for the ISI which the car must pass to get the taxi licence how does it now work in practice?

It seems like a catch 22 i.e. you can't tax the car as a taxi without the taxi licence but you can't get a taxi licence without a VLC which, assuming the system hasn't changed since 2004, you can't get without taxing the car?

[Panel]

I know one lad who put an EV on a plate he was renting. The platelord charged him (can't remember how much, probably a few grand) for facilitating the transaction. At the time I thought the platelord was taking a liberty but, on reflection, I guess it could potentially fuck him up. I guess they musta found a way of crossing the eyes and dotting the teas that protected both of their interests as far as possible.

Ifn the lad renting the plate mullered said heep inte the side of the 29A, platelord would be on the line for the outstanding amount remaining on the 3 year service period of the eSPSV grant.

[Rat Catcher]

Maybe but he'd been renting from him for a good while. No reason he'd run away and he'd get the insurance or someone would, not sure what they agreed in the end but I did see him with the plate on the EV... When I was talking to him before he bought it I got the impression he wasn't going to go through with it.

[John m]

So for example John rents his plate to Paul both related to Big Dommo .Paul funds a new EV with Johns help as he needs to apply for the grant as its his licence ..Theres a Party for Big Dommos nieces second borns forst born in the Pub near the Flats beside the Chipper .It all kicks off and the two lads fall out Paul has a Change of ownership pre signed in an envelope at home drops it into the post gets the car in his name as he paid for it .Now its a Private car no longer plying as a taxi and the Grant people want a refund .from the PLATE owner as he got the grant


Now he cannot say he aided a fraud by pretending it was he who was purchasing the car in name only thats illegal .So Paul now has the upper hand on the PlateLord .And says "Here bud two scores a week to rent your plate is enough take it or I fuck off and leave you with the Bill .He is only offering the two scores a week because he needs your tax clearance to keep the plate live . Agreeing to facilitate an EV Grant by a plateholder for an Vehicle owner could get messy .

[Rat Catcher]

Nothing to stop the plate owner reporting the VLC lost or stolen and getting a replacement thereby invalidating the original. But you could extend that sort of logic to any situation where individuals trade in second hand cars. I guess there needs to be an element of trust in any business relationship and, quite possibly, further written contracts.

As a legalistic man I suspect you'd understand better than I what might amount to fraud. AFAIK the SPSV regulations only require the vehicle to be registered in the plate owner's name. They say possession is c.89% of the law but, as I'm sure you know, the registered owner of a vehicle is not necessarily the legal owner hence proof of registration doesn't necessarily equate to proof of ownership in a legal sense.

[Punter]

Even more complications if there is any "drip" on it !

[Rat Catcher]

Just a quick update on the OP.... On the erm's advice I rang to clarify what needs to be done within the specified time limit and/or the unspecified time limit that may apply if funds run out.

The lady on the phone confirmed that the next step is to submit a registration number. The technical team with then take up to 12 (it was 10 last time I asked) working days to confirm that the car is eligible to be subjected to an ISI. BTW, they enclose a list of vehicles that are suitable for use as taxis with the second "provisional" grant offer letter so they're taking up to 12 working days to confirm that a car that they've already told you is suitable is suitable... and that's up to 12 working days that come out of your time limit... although the lady I spoke with yesterday did suggest that they may make additional effort if required if things are getting tight. She also mentioned the possibility of a time extension where a delay might occur, something the first gentleman I spoke with ruled out, advising me that it's extremely unlikely that funds will be available to facilitate such extensions this time round.

The lady also confirmed that once your car from the list of approved cars is approved as being approved and from the list of approved cars within 12 working days you need to book an ISI and once the car passes that inspection you'll get your payment form. As far as the specified time limit is concerned the clock stops running at that point i.e. if claiming scrappage you can scrap your old car pretty much at your leisure but before the overall grant scheme end date in mid December.

I also enquired if the car you're scrapping has to still be licensed when you licence the new EV. She suggest that it doesn't but the late renewal fee would apply if it's lapsed i.e. lapsed since you applied for the grant but she did suggest that such theoretical queries might be better addressed to the relevant department by email.

[John m]

Ah thats clear .Great to get to talk to a real person that dosent know what the story is so will make up a story to keep you happy .Try ringing somebody to see if tablets are covered by the Drugs Refund Scheme .

[Rat Catcher]

Indeed. As they won't commit any of this to paper I would advise anyone pursuing the grant to phone up and get the call reference number for themself. The answers I got are obviously specific to my defined application... which I don't intend pursuing this time round. While the same answers are likely to be given in respect of any other equal set of circumstances the information I got is not clear from either of the grant offer letters except that there is an unquantified or unquantifiable risk of their funds running out before your specified expiry date. That they make perfectly clear in the first paragraph of both offer letters.

[silverbullet]

Indeed. As they won't commit any of this to paper I would advise anyone pursuing the grant to phone up and get the call reference number for themself. The answers I got are obviously specific to my defined application... which I don't intend pursuing this time round. While the same answers are likely to be given in respect of any other equal set of circumstances the information I got is not clear from either of the grant offer letters except that there is an unquantified or unquantifiable risk of their funds running out before your specified expiry date. That they make perfectly clear in the first paragraph of both offer letters.

Did you offer a registration plate number?

[Rat Catcher]

No. I'm going to wait until I really have to change the car next year. She did say you can use any registration number (i.e. from another car that's the same make/model as you're buying) in the first instance to check that the car they've already told you is suitable is suitable but you'd still have to go through the same process again with the actual registration number before they'll let you book an ISI so it seems that all that would achieve would be to add another up to 12 working days onto the process.

[John m]

In Simple English Rodent .You get an OFFER of a Grant .The OFFER is not really an OFFER as it states you only Get the Grant if there is money left to pay it .But you might possibly assume if they offered the Money they have it to pay out .But I suppose if 100% of offers are accepted they could actually run out of Grant Money ?

 Then to be sure of getting the Full Grant you would need to go through all the Stages of Finding a Car getting posession of the car getting meter and stickers getting scrappage cert ,getting passed out and getting all the paperwork back to the Grants office before the two months lifespan on the Offer Expires .(There is a possibility a late filing of all the paperwork could or could not result in you getting or not getting or only getting part of the Grant depending on who you talk to in the Grant office on the Phone ?

So if you are applying for the grant have an Idea what motor you want check on availability and delivery time even before you get the Grant offer .Salesmen want to sell cars so wont mind if you do not go through with any purchase .The vehicle you actually want most likely wont be available and even if it is on the list of acceptable vehicles it might take two weeks for the grants people to confirm that although it on the list they need to check its on the list .Then you need to allow a bit more time to have darkened rear glass replaced .Probably find Dealers will not actually change it until you part with a lot of coin .

You can see why the Offer is restricted to Two months to allow other drivers access to Grant Money that some Grant holders will not be drawing Down but the two month Window to complete the process is tight .Especially if you intend to do it all yourself ?


Just a Question on as long as the money lasts ..We know they run out of funding for WATs regularly  .Is there any way of finding out how many EV Grants have actually been drawn down so far this year ?