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Offline Bob Shillin

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Re: New Improved Taxi Saver
« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2026, 02:52:53 am »
I guess we'll have to wait until it's implemented to see what the riders are charged, Ken.

What I've heard suggested is that the riders will get the same discount as now i.e. €3/job with the firm using the extra commission on higher fares to subsidise the extra discount on lower fares.

It seems to satisfy what drivers' prefer, at least 64% of them. In fact, BS suggested on another thread that he (for one) doesn't care how much commission is charged provided he gets the maximum metered fare before deducting said commission.
It's not that I don't care, I suggested that competition should/might take care of what the apps charge us. What I want is the NTA to enforce it that we always get the metered fare, noting that app use is ubiquitous, and all are seeking market domination leaving no option to earn a living wage but to use them. Ideally an NTA app introduced.
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Re: New Improved Taxi Saver
« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2026, 08:13:19 am »
That's the circle that the NTA have to square.  Every 2 years, the NTA spends a lot of money to come up with a fancy 70 page detailed report on taxi fares.  In simple terms, it calculates what an average taxi driver doing an average job needs to make an average living.  At the same time, the NTA has acknowledged that discounts exist and can be a good thing.  Maybe they were thinking about drivers discounting the odd few euro here and there or maybe a discount for regular work.  I can't imagine they envisaged the apps taking a wholesale 15-30% off the bulk of the taxi market's earnings.

With a regulated metered fare structure, the taxi drivers can plan for safe working hours, plan for their families, and plan for their replacement taxis.  If the apps can take out 20-30-40%-whatever % of the fare, all that goes out the window and you'll be left with exhausted drivers driving dangerous defective vehicles for a pittance with no concern for anybody or anything, just the next fiver.

The NTA have to pick a side: a quality- & safety-focused industry or a free-for-all, dog-eat-dog one?
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Re: New Improved Taxi Saver
« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2026, 10:36:05 am »
The future?

Private hire union backs second Uber strike this week as drivers escalate pay dispute

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... That stoppage was organised in response to new terms and conditions introduced by Uber [UK] for drivers operating outside London, which came into force on 5 January.

... Under the revised agreement, Uber introduced a variable service fee model, with commission rates fluctuating between 3% and 49% per trip. Drivers were required to accept the updated terms in order to retain access to the platform, a change that has prompted concern across the private hire sector about income stability and transparency.

... Uber has previously said changes to its pricing and fee structures are necessary to reflect local market conditions and ensure the sustainability of the platform.
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Re: New Improved Taxi Saver
« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2026, 01:47:36 pm »
That's the circle that the NTA have to square.  Every 2 years, the NTA spends a lot of money to come up with a fancy 70 page detailed report on taxi fares.  In simple terms, it calculates what an average taxi driver doing an average job needs to make an average living.  At the same time, the NTA has acknowledged that discounts exist and can be a good thing.  Maybe they were thinking about drivers discounting the odd few euro here and there or maybe a discount for regular work.  I can't imagine they envisaged the apps taking a wholesale 15-30% off the bulk of the taxi market's earnings.

With a regulated metered fare structure, the taxi drivers can plan for safe working hours, plan for their families, and plan for their replacement taxis.  If the apps can take out 20-30-40%-whatever % of the fare, all that goes out the window and you'll be left with exhausted drivers driving dangerous defective vehicles for a pittance with no concern for anybody or anything, just the next fiver.

The NTA have to pick a side: a quality- & safety-focused industry or a free-for-all, dog-eat-dog one?

Nail on the head,great post.,

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Re: New Improved Taxi Saver
« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2026, 01:54:08 pm »
That's the circle that the NTA have to square.  Every 2 years, the NTA spends a lot of money to come up with a fancy 70 page detailed report on taxi fares.  In simple terms, it calculates what an average taxi driver doing an average job needs to make an average living.  At the same time, the NTA has acknowledged that discounts exist and can be a good thing.  Maybe they were thinking about drivers discounting the odd few euro here and there or maybe a discount for regular work.  I can't imagine they envisaged the apps taking a wholesale 15-30% off the bulk of the taxi market's earnings.

With a regulated metered fare structure, the taxi drivers can plan for safe working hours, plan for their families, and plan for their replacement taxis.  If the apps can take out 20-30-40%-whatever % of the fare, all that goes out the window and you'll be left with exhausted drivers driving dangerous defective vehicles for a pittance with no concern for anybody or anything, just the next fiver.

The NTA have to pick a side: a quality- & safety-focused industry or a free-for-all, dog-eat-dog one?

Nail on the head,great post.,

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Re: New Improved Taxi Saver
« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2026, 05:13:18 am »
Seemingly according to Derek O Keefe we will have an Oireactas committee meeting on Taxi fares in the first 3 months of this year.

Hopefully they will ban the apps from discounting at the taxi drivers expense, and also ban the App 'Technology' fee.
http://intaxi.org/forum/VID-20251210-WA0009.mp4

I'll hold tough a while and see what happens ??

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Re: New Improved Taxi Saver
« Reply #21 on: January 17, 2026, 07:28:16 am »
Why the hell is a limo driver meeting with ministers on our behalf?

Am I getting wrong info here is yer man a taxi driver?

Discounts will never be banned BTW.

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Re: New Improved Taxi Saver
« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2026, 11:22:53 am »
Wasn't he also promised a meeting 'with Govt officials' before Xmas as a result of the last 'strike'?  Whatever happened to that meeting?
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Re: New Improved Taxi Saver
« Reply #23 on: January 17, 2026, 01:08:14 pm »
Seemingly according to Derek O Keefe we will have an Oireactas committee meeting on Taxi fares in the first 3 months of this year.

Hopefully they will ban the apps from discounting at the taxi drivers expense, and also ban the App 'Technology' fee.
http://intaxi.org/forum/VID-20251210-WA0009.mp4

I'll hold tough a while and see what happens ??


No Kenneth The Oireachtas has NO POWER TO SET FARES that was divested to the Taxi Regulator..These Clowns played right into UBER and Free Nows Hands I posted and Warned .The Goodbody report is the Bluepring for the taxi industry .Goodbody have done other reports on LUAS light rail Building homes loads of stuff these are then adopted by the Government departments .

in Goodbody .They mentioned Peak Demand not being Met .The suggestion in the report was a Half a Plate that could only work Peak times .

The report also suggested CCTV we rejected that but now that Garda have Body Cams and the legislation is in Place for Legal use of Facial Recognition in Car CCTV would give the State 16K plus mobile observation platforms paid for by us .

Goodbody also suggested ALL taxis should be Aligned to a Dispatcher .The Review will confirm this and both Free Now and Uber will be embraced along with any other Dispatcher .there might be some new rules about App Providers retaining 20% of your after commission earnings for tax reasons .This will be sold to drivers as preventing Casual UBER BLack drivers getting your Taxi fares ?

So Kenneth The Review is not of Fares but of the 2012 Act .In my humble opinion it will confirm that Dispatchers are Legal it will also confirm as suggested by Goodbody Off Street Ranks ie the You pay Holding Area in Dublin Airport possibly allowing Super Markets charge Drivers for Standing ,Hotels charging Drivers for Standing or Hospitals charging Any off street standing being Chargable  with the Apps controlling the Work . Cannot be cheap traveling from Cork to Dublin and possibly staying overnight and meeting TD .Who is financing this movement ?

If I was Uber or Free Now I would be laughing me bollox off at the fucking stupidity of asking to review legislation all that can happen is some new rules for the Issue of Dispatcher Licences but the Oireachtas or Taxi Regulator have Absolutely no legal powers to impose comission limits of independent dispatch businesses .Just like they cannot impose limits on the price of Drink oe Mobile Phones .

The Big danger with this review that some Hack from Cork got for us is Will UBER and others who are offering set fares say to Government in line with Goodbodys refrence to Prime time shortages .We can supply a metered fare and fully traceable taxi service ?

Now gents ask yourself why UBER and Free Now use to have Prime Time working hours .Do you really think they were not collecting Data to Show to Power that there was peak demand unmet even offering Existing Drivers big Bonuses the work could not be covered .Now Goodbody said more WATs and A moratorium on Saloon Plates .Unlikely as in there will not ever be any more Saloon Plates as they removed our Plate Values but that does not mean a New Fourth level not Saloon ,Not WAT,Not Hack but a new possibly CITY Hack licence be introduced as a result of the Review We asked For .

Unfortunately Taxi men playing Politics idiots who cannot find their way around without Tom Tom or Google Maps trying to navigate with sharks in a political Pool of their Making .Good luck with getting any sort of result out of the BIG REVIEW  rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

Did  you really think the Dispatchers wont be making representation to a Review ?

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Re: New Improved Taxi Saver
« Reply #24 on: January 17, 2026, 01:23:39 pm »
GOODBODY FINDINGS AND RECOMENDATIONS .

Service Quality & Consumer Findings

Consumers generally perceived service quality and vehicle standards as good, and uniform national fare structures provided better value for money.

The reform program sought to enhance vehicle and driver standards while keeping compliance costs relatively low.

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Re: New Improved Taxi Saver
« Reply #25 on: January 17, 2026, 01:30:40 pm »
Key Findings on Peak-Time Service and Coverage

1. Peak demand in the taxi market is concentrated on certain times
The report confirmed that demand for taxi/SPSV services is highly “peaked” — with most trips occurring between Thursday and Saturday, especially Friday and Saturday nights. This means supply needs vary sharply over the week.

2. Supply is less peaked than demand
Goodbody found that while supply does increase during busy periods, it doesn’t rise as much as demand does, especially at the busiest times. In other words: the number of drivers on the road at peak times doesn’t fully meet what passengers want.

3. Part-time drivers play a key role in peak coverage

Part-time drivers were much more likely to supply services on peak days (Friday/Saturday) compared with full-time drivers.

But because many drivers are part-time or hold another job, their overall contribution to peak supply is valuable but still less than demand at the busiest times.

4. Demand still exceeds supply at peak times overall
The report specifically noted that there was evidence that taxi service demand still exceeded supply at peak times, meaning some journeys might go unmet or waiting times could be longer.

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Re: New Improved Taxi Saver
« Reply #26 on: January 18, 2026, 05:27:03 am »
By God ! Ye really love Knocking everything !   ::fds


I'm not holding out much hope fer the Uber Fixed fares or the FN Saver jobs or the poxy app Technology fee to all be abolished in the upcoming Oireachtas taxi committee meeting, but still it's good that at least something is happening, if nothing else then it gives the Whingers something new to moan about.

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Re: New Improved Taxi Saver
« Reply #27 on: January 18, 2026, 10:55:04 am »
Na Ken Did you do any ancient Philosophy in School .Pandora's Box .The taxi issue was dealt with sorted we didnt exactly like it but sorted .Now who can benefit from a Review . The taxi industry is Godlike Three Divine Persons in the one God God the Driver ,God the Passenger ,God the Dispatcher .now what do you gain from that insight Kenneth ? We are outnumbered 2/1.In any REVIEW do you think the Passengers wont be involvrd or represented ,Do you think the Dispatchers wont be involved .The Drivers wont be we are already legislated for by LAW .

  Who asked for a Review ? and a review of what ? I am an independent business owner Kenneth I know what the rules were I could choose to pay extortionate rates support the companies who wished to extort my wages or not .That was a Business decision .Why would I ask some TD with possibly a vested interest in improving transport for his electorate to review my Business Conditions a Minister who had no imput into the Original Legislation as he possibly was in Secondry School at the time .

  Did you ever hear any other Licenced Business asking for a review of their Licencing who benifited from it .Do Publicans go around shouting review the Licencing laws so you can decide if more Pub licences are needed or price control is needed or restrictions on brands are needed .

 I have Stated on here and Roys loads of times ." IF YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING SAY NOTHING NOW YOU ARE TALKING .Silence speaks louder than words Kenneth we taxi drivers have NO Leaverage NONE .

Tell me this Kenneth as you support this nonsence .Who is behind this movement ,Who is funding it ,Who are on the Committee if any .Who appointed or elected them ,How many drivers do they actually represent .OH yeh did you come to Dublin to Support their protest .At the time I stated I would not work during any Protest as I am a Lifelong Trade Unionost but I also stated I did not support their actions .

  Let me explain a bit of Politics to you .By threatening to withdraw a licenced Service at the Peak time before Christmas we created a PR disaster in the eyes of both Politicians and the Public .Not a good starting point for any review .

  Im stating what I see .Who is behind this REVIEW and WHY ..Like I Said Ken Three parts to this industry and we are the weakest .The rules as they are gave us a small piece of protection why review that .The Oireachtas has NO power to set Fares as in NONE discounted or Metered ABSOLUTELY NONE .They have NO POWER to REGULATE COMISSION in a BUSINESS NONE .So how can taxi owner drivers gain ANYTHING from a Review ? WE CANNOT but the other two moving parts Dispatchers and Passengers can .

 Big Dommos ma use to give out to him for picking at the scabs on his knees if he fell saying .Leave well enough alone .She wasent really talking about the Scab she was giving a lesson in Life .

 Do you remember the last review we asked for 9 year rule ,Suitability ,Stickers , Some people never learn .
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Re: New Improved Taxi Saver
« Reply #28 on: January 19, 2026, 07:46:35 pm »
As you say, Watty... it's a round peg in a square hole exercise. Two points of note are that NTA has a statutory obligation to encourage competition on price and the National maximum taximeter rate was introduced as precisely that, a maximum. Forcing men to charge Temple Bar rates in every little rural backwater would/will adversely affect the entire trade as the men who lose that work will be forced up into the cities unless the current temporary moratorium on the issue of saloon hackney plates is lifted simultaneously.... particularly when the next recession hits.

In any event such a regime won't stop the rideshare platforms from giving discounts. They'll just increase commission to finance those discounts in the fullness of time. In fact, Free Now has already adopted that methodology albeit with relatively low (relative to what Lyft achieves globally) commission fees for the time being

What is required is maximum price regulation on fees charged by rideshare platforms coupled with a ban on below cost selling.



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Re: New Improved Taxi Saver
« Reply #29 on: January 22, 2026, 06:36:00 am »
https://www.rte.ie/news/2026/0121/1554302-taxi-regulation-uber/



The Oireachtas Committee on Transport has heard that Uber’s new fixed fare system has "changed the balance" for taxi drivers and passengers alike.

The Committee heard the FreeNow taxi app has also raised its commission to 25%, something the National Private Hire and Taxi Association called a "fundamental shift in control".

"App companies are no longer acting merely as booking platforms; they are now effectively setting fares, controlling work allocation, and influencing driver income," spokesperson, Jim Waldron said.

He called for the National Transport Authority (NTA) to be "explicitly empowered" to regulate taxi apps or if this is not possible, "develop a publicly regulated booking system".

In November, hundreds of taxi drivers protested Uber’s fix fare system in Dublin’s city centre.

The system allows Uber passengers to pay an upfront price calculated by the app’s own algorithm as an alternative to the NTA’s regulated meter fare.

The upfront price cannot go above the taxi’s maximum fare price, but it can go below it.

In statement at the time, Uber said its fixed price offer does not breach fare regulations outlined in the Taxi Regulation Act 2013 - noting that riders are "much more likely to book a trip" if they know what the fare is going to be, creating "more earning opportunities" for drivers.

The company added that drivers can see their estimated earnings before accepting a job - as well as various algorithmic factors that influence it.

The taxi meter is 'fair, transparent and trusted'

In his opening statement, Mr Waldron said the taxi meter is now being undermined.

He said it was a system "established by the NTA following extensive public consultation, designed to balance affordability for passengers with a financially sustainable career for drivers".

He called the taxi meter "fair, transparent, and trusted", adding that the system works in the public interest.

Mr Waldron criticised a market driven by "profit-driven algorithm" that threatens the "long-term vitality of the profession".

He said this is also a passenger issue as app companies "have no obligation to ensure rural coverage".

He called for clear assurances from the Committee that "driver livelihoods will be protected and that the NTA will retain full authority over fares, standards and market oversight".

The Committee's Chair Michael Murphy acknowledged that the taxi sector is facing "significant challenges".

"It is important to recognise the strength and consistency of concerns raised by taxi representative organisations across the country," he said.

'Predatory dispatch platforms'

President of the Irish Taxi Drivers’ Federation called for the taxi regulations to be updated to stop the "fast-moving app companies destroying the taxi industry in Ireland".

Alan Cooley said, "predatory dispatch platforms" have "ruined the lives of countless taxi drivers".

"We know from other countries that Uber and other app companies, that their business model is to dismantle the taxi industry in each and every country they gain entry into," he said.

He said Ireland’s "very successful regulated taxi industry" risks becoming a "part-time industry which is not controlled by the NTA".

Mr Cooley said the 2013 Taxi Regulation Act "has no legislation to protect the taxi industry because in 2013 the tech companies did not exist".

'Reduced rural availability'

The Committee also heard that rural taxi services have been affected.

The Chair of the Tralee Taxi Association said: "Rural taxi services operate on structure, not algorithms: phone bookings, regular customers, and local rosters that guarantee early-morning, late-night, and emergency cover."

"That structure is now being undermined," said Terry Boyle.

He said app platforms have no obligation to provide coverage, resulting in "reduced rural availability" and "drivers leaving rural counties to work in cities".

Tiománaí Tacsaí na hÉireann’s chairperson said technology companies have "gained a monopoly" in the industry.

David McGuinness called for legislation to be updated to "outlaw these practices and protect drivers' incomes and customers alike".

"It is our opinion on the evidence from other jurisdictions that this is only the beginning of the moves by these companies to force a totally unregulated taxi market into Ireland," said Mr McGuinness.

Uber and FreeNow have been invited to give their own statements to a future sitting of the Transport Committee.

 


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