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Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
« Reply #60 on: October 04, 2017, 05:09:54 pm »
The legal limos are their biggest Achilles heel...Uber would have sunk them eventually.Just like the taximen without deregulation would have been sunk by the smelly hacks.

Hailo adoption by US cabbies just would have slowed the sinking down a bit IMO.

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Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
« Reply #61 on: October 05, 2017, 05:33:46 am »
A lot of diverse opinions and sensible ones at that. You see, harking back to the past is futile really, as the man looking over his shoulder seldom sees the truth as it was, just as it appeared to him back then. Embracing change is something most people are reluctant to do. I see a lot of the past attitudes even in recent entrants to the game...lads wanting to pull the ladder up after themselves was a huge issue, if not THE issue before Molloy got to work and it's still there. Just because some guy has passed a driving test doesn't mean the guy driving for 30 yrs who never had to pass said test has inferior knowledge. If anything, the Quango(s) set up to "regulate" just needs people to pay for it's existence hence the need for repeat business and high failure rates.

The biggest issue with guys investing minimum outlay for their desire for "self-employment" is they expected and still do expect maximum return on investment. With the advent of Apps and "progressive" technologies, people are finding that they're still someone's bitch after all, just as they were and always will be...same as they would be if they were wearing a suit or cutting someone's hair.

And for the record, this new "tough" test will be dumbed down...you can bet on it...

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Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
« Reply #62 on: October 05, 2017, 09:17:19 am »
The job is open for anyone who wants in.I'm not against new drivers but there should be some sort of limit on numbers.The new test works fine for that purpose.Wheely plates are almost free.Nothing stopping new drivers except a bit of hard work and a map.I'm no genius as I'm sure yis can tell and passed it.Allowing everyone access to the taxi industry just because they had a few quid was never gonna end well and it didn't.

The ten year rule is probably expediting the retirement of our older drivers who don't wanna reinvest the last few quid they have left on a hobby.I think it should be revisited.The taxi that brought be from the airport in Tenerife was a twenty year old Peugeot 409.Only one Superb in the whole place and loads of fat customers...oh the hardship. Didn't bother me at all.Ireland has some of the most expensive car taxes in the world but still we insist on age rules that don't make any difference but increase our costs.As things stand you need about 3 or 4 thousand a year before fuel just to stay afloat in this business.I consider that a lot of money.


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« Reply #63 on: October 05, 2017, 09:34:08 am »
Merc what we need to protect the viability of the industry and I called for it years ago is an environmental impact statement .to many dirty diesel motors running around empty spewing out exhaust dirt The sight of tens of thousands of empty taxies returning from the airport is an environmental Holocost .If we were serious about a professional service we would follow London and go all electric or at least hybrid a 5 year rule should be introduced with no VRT on purchase of new vehicles .That would sort out the taxi drivers from the casual traders reduce the fleet then tier 2 taxi licences should be issued for weekend or event casual taxies and as we are in the process of going cashless as a society the SUITABILITY should also read your meter .

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« Reply #64 on: October 05, 2017, 09:45:14 am »
Merc what we need to protect the viability of the industry and I called for it years ago is an environmental impact statement .to many dirty diesel motors running around empty spewing out exhaust dirt The sight of tens of thousands of empty taxies returning from the airport is an environmental Holocost .If we were serious about a professional service we would follow London and go all electric or at least hybrid a 5 year rule should be introduced with no VRT on purchase of new vehicles .That would sort out the taxi drivers from the casual traders reduce the fleet then tier 2 taxi licences should be issued for weekend or event casual taxies and as we are in the process of going cashless as a society the SUITABILITY should also read your meter .

Where's the money for the Govt, John? No VRT and no 3/4's taxation on fuel if we all go electric. We all know the future is Hybrid and eventually fully electric...but they've still to work out how they're going to recoup billions lost to revenue. One thing is for sure, they're going to jump all over diesel and the DPF thing next week.
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Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
« Reply #65 on: October 05, 2017, 09:52:56 am »
Merc what we need to protect the viability of the industry and I called for it years ago is an environmental impact statement .to many dirty diesel motors running around empty spewing out exhaust dirt The sight of tens of thousands of empty taxies returning from the airport is an environmental Holocost .If we were serious about a professional service we would follow London and go all electric or at least hybrid a 5 year rule should be introduced with no VRT on purchase of new vehicles .That would sort out the taxi drivers from the casual traders reduce the fleet then tier 2 taxi licences should be issued for weekend or event casual taxies and as we are in the process of going cashless as a society the SUITABILITY should also read your meter .

Where's the money for the Govt, John? No VRT and no 3/4's taxation on fuel if we all go electric. We all know the future is Hybrid and eventually fully electric...but they've still to work out how they're going to recoup billions lost to revenue.

They know how to make money .I picked up a head from the 4 seasons about 6 years ago and posted it on Roys he was meeting with Government reps .He was selling Road Pricing .How it works ..Every type of road has a user price per kilometer eg M50 4 cent but at peak times the rate might go up to 20c this then allows the government to control traffic flow by road pricing .If its 20 c per Km you will use the cheaper option but as soon as that road becomes congested then your in car screen will show cheaper alternatives .By introducing road pricing they can remove all fuel duty and change over to the user pays principle .This idea has a lot of support in the EU as some countries get no revenue from out of state cars using their infrastructure as they pass through .

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Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
« Reply #66 on: October 05, 2017, 10:00:54 am »
That's one valid method alright. Travelling from one of France to the other costs a lot of money but they have the roads.

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Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
« Reply #67 on: October 05, 2017, 10:20:17 am »
I'm not sure they need to soften the test to accommodate immigrants. The majority of new entrants are immigrants. I guess there's a range of possible explanations for that depending on your point of view. Many believe that the streets of Dublin cannot be learned, being knowledge that one can only acquire by being born in Ireland hence they conclude that the immigrants' exam papers aren't marked as stringently as papers submitted by men who are Irish by accident of birth. Others might conclude that (as Joe Herron noted) there are plenty of higher paid jobs available for unskilled workers so the trade simply doesn't appeal to many outside of the immigrant community, who may have skills that aren't recognised in Eire.

Copying London makes no sense, erm. Taxis account for c25% of SPSVs over there, the other 75% being PH (minicabs) use similar vehicles as us.

The standards introduced by Kathleen Doyle are effectively artificial barriers to entry. Quantitative controls based on infrastructural constraints ought to introduced, following the lead taken by DAA.
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If it doesn't have a roof sign and door stickers it's not a taxi.

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« Reply #68 on: October 05, 2017, 10:32:19 am »
{The standards introduced by Kathleen Doyle are effectively artificial barriers to entry. Quantitative controls based on infrastructural constraints ought to introduced, following the lead taken by DAA.}Did I not say that .Environmental Impact survey .Its not only taxies that are destroying the environment get private cars off the road would increase the amount of taxi work ..Its a virtuous circle Rodent .Wont be long now as soon as the LUAS is joined up that transport thinking gets joined up as well .The Mungbean chewing sandal wearing tree hugging bicycling hippies in DCC will spring into action when total gridlock hits the big smoke at Christmas .Monty and Cuffe will decide to get both an Environmental impact survey and an Engineers report on infrastructure done as a basis for banning traffic from the City Center .The Canal Corridor will be beautified with bikes flowerpots skinny blokes reciting poetry Cello Players and Taxies and Busses only during business hours .

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Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
« Reply #69 on: October 05, 2017, 10:44:00 am »
Electric cars will come and attitudes to car ownership will change, that's what the motor trade is gearing up for.

We still need quantitative controls on taxi numbers based on infrastructural constraints, following the lead taken by DAA. DAA bases it's controls on rank space available, not sure where you got the idea that it is leading the way in reducing emissions. In fact it's bias towards 8 seater taxis does the exact opposite, I think you got the erm end of the stick.
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« Reply #70 on: October 05, 2017, 11:09:00 am »
{The standards introduced by Kathleen Doyle are effectively artificial barriers to entry. Quantitative controls based on infrastructural constraints ought to introduced, following the lead taken by DAA.}Did I not say that .Environmental Impact survey .Its not only taxies that are destroying the environment get private cars off the road would increase the amount of taxi work ..Its a virtuous circle Rodent .Wont be long now as soon as the LUAS is joined up that transport thinking gets joined up as well .The Mungbean chewing sandal wearing tree hugging bicycling hippies in DCC will spring into action when total gridlock hits the big smoke at Christmas .Monty and Cuffe will decide to get both an Environmental impact survey and an Engineers report on infrastructure done as a basis for banning traffic from the City Center .The Canal Corridor will be beautified with bikes flowerpots skinny blokes reciting poetry Cello Players and Taxies and Busses only during business hours .

Duncan what's his name from Ecodick on RTE couldn't have put it better. I can almost hear Joan Baez singing a melody with her soiled thong flapping in the breeze.
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Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
« Reply #71 on: October 05, 2017, 04:30:44 pm »
I'm not sure they need to soften the test to accommodate immigrants. The majority of new entrants are immigrants. I guess there's a range of possible explanations for that depending on your point of view. Many believe that the streets of Dublin cannot be learned, being knowledge that one can only acquire by being born in Ireland hence they conclude that the immigrants' exam papers aren't marked as stringently as papers submitted by men who are Irish by accident of birth. Others might conclude that (as Joe Herron noted) there are plenty of higher paid jobs available for unskilled workers so the trade simply doesn't appeal to many outside of the immigrant community, who may have skills that aren't recognised in Eire.

Copying London makes no sense, erm. Taxis account for c25% of SPSVs over there, the other 75% being PH (minicabs) use similar vehicles as us.

The standards introduced by Kathleen Doyle are effectively artificial barriers to entry. Quantitative controls based on infrastructural constraints ought to introduced, following the lead taken by DAA.

It is a matter of fact that many African taxi drivers from the Dundalk region were simply handed licenses for Dublin because they claimed Dundalk was a racist town and they couldn't get work there, they never sat the area knowledge portion of the Dublin test.

It is also true that many successful asylum seekers and immigrants from the third world did not have to reach the same standards on the area knowledge test as native Irish people, this is all a matter of record and was widely shared at the time of the occurrences, I can't be arsed to find links right now.

Also, an Indian man was relatively recently caught charging up to €400 per person to get them through the current harder area knowledge test, he was using a communication set up to give the cheaters all the answers while they were in the test room. No doubt he serviced thousands of these recent migrants and helped them cheat their way through the test.

Also, why are non EU students still allowed to circumvent visa rules by driving taxis, I thought they were not going to be allowed to get tax clearance which would stop them driving taxies.

Then there is the issue of blatant illegal taxi drivers, in the past I have found myself in a couple which when considering how rare it is I use a taxi myself it leads me to believe they are far more prevalent than we are lead to believe, I had one who openly admitted they had no spsv licence, he was an Algerian who had absolutely no idea where he was going or how he would get there, didn't know where Fairview was, Didn't know where Connolly station was, Didn't know where the Malahide road.

The Kathleen Doyle test is 100% essential to maintain the integrity of the taxi industry if it is dumbed down then literally overnight there will be tens of thousands of new entrants to the industry which is simply unsustainable, there are limited resources and limited fares, if it is an open free for all then expect it to become a 100% low skilled, terribly paid, newly arrived immigrant job.

The test should be kept hard but there should be a better administration of the test, a model similar to the London knowledge would be better suited whereby it is done in stages and spread out over time.
Entry to non-citizens should be totally prohibited.
Entry to non EU students should be totally prohibited.


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Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
« Reply #72 on: October 05, 2017, 04:38:43 pm »
The test is easy to get if you know the questions
Learn the questions that come up just like the theory test
One place in dublin around along time has%95 of the questions and answers
Like what most students do learn past questions and answers
I know a guy got it last month through a taxi school I wont say what one

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Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
« Reply #73 on: October 05, 2017, 05:09:25 pm »
The test is easy to get if you know the questions
Learn the questions that come up just like the theory test
One place in dublin around along time has%95 of the questions and answers
Like what most students do learn past questions and answers
I know a guy got it last month through a taxi school I wont say what one

Not true at all, I done the course you're talking about and although it was of some help they certainly do not have anywhere near 90% of the questions.

There is a random database of questions that can come up in any order, it is next to impossible to rote learn the answers which is proven by the over 90% failure rate.

Some people get lucky with the range of questions they are presented with but they're are in the minority. To say the test is easily passed proves that you have not done it yourself.

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Re: Uber stripped of license to operate in London
« Reply #74 on: October 05, 2017, 07:52:41 pm »
Your understanding of the Dundalk situation is incomplete, Tim. Before there was any restriction on working areas drivers from Fingal were generally issued with Louth-Meath SPSVDLs as they applied to Garda Stations in the Louth-Meath Garda district. Hence they were deemed to be entitled to Dublin licences as parts of Fingal were never in any taximeter area before the county border system was adopted. Similarly, many Dublin licensed drivers are entitled to Wicklow licences because the Dublin Taximeter Area extended into parts of Wicklow back in the 90s.

Student visa holders are not entitled to be self-employed. They are allowed work as employees (subject to certain restrictions) for up to 20 hours per week. A while back a number of our unions worked together (CTA, SIPTU TB,  ITDF and probably a few more) to establish the principle that taxi drivers are only working when engaged by a client. This was accepted by Social Welfare and remains the only recognised definition of working hours for the trade.

The obsession with copying London is not well founded. London Taxis account for less than 25% of SPSVs in that jurisdiction. Following their procedures would therefore require re-establishing a significant hackney sector with (as is the case in London) no test for drivers.
If it doesn't have a roof sign and door stickers it's not a taxi.

 


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