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john m

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When are rules rules
« on: March 21, 2018, 12:31:26 am »

 So here is a question does anybody know the answer .If you decide not to charge the metered fare you are supposeed to get the passenger to sign a waiver ,By not charging the PUC you were not charging the metered fare so were we breaking the law ?By not charging the Full metered fare by offering free Waiting Time are we breaking the Law ?OR did the regulator Ok this practice by using this rule {(i) the operation of booking services for small public service vehicles and fees for such,}Read a article last week where taxi drivers got done by the regulator for undercharging on local jobs .Whats the story do the rules apply are have they been changed .How can some drivers be charged for undercharging while others done it for years and still do it and get away scott free .

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Re: When are rules rules
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2018, 12:46:13 am »
that article about some hellhole in donegal was'nt about drivers being caught undercharging.
it was about pisshead penny pinching cunts making complaints of "overcharging" because they encountered a proper driver charging the proper fare for a change.

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Re: When are rules rules
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2018, 12:53:52 am »
There is an issue .The taxithingey done the drivers for undercharging .Not charging the PUC or free waiting time is not charging the metered fare you are required to get the passenger to sign a waiver .Agreeing to a companies T&C s is not the same as meeting the legal requirements to operate a taxi within regulation .

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Re: When are rules rules
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2018, 02:55:30 am »
The fare including the PUC is the maximum fare.
According to the Taxi regulator we don’t have to charge the full metered fare.

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Re: When are rules rules
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2018, 03:39:11 am »
The fare including the PUC is the maximum fare.
According to the Taxi regulator we don’t have to charge the full metered fare.

As long as the passenger agrees and signs a waiver/document agreeing to to such discount prior to commencement of the journey AFAIK, otherwise, technically all or any extras and fare should be run on the meter.

Bit like when a gaggle of kids jump in with their mother, I sometimes decide not to add the extra for every second child. Is that operating contrary to the the maximum fare without a written waiver?, if it is, I am committing an offence and liable to a fine for being a decent human being.
« Last Edit: March 21, 2018, 03:49:30 am by U Wha »

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Re: When are rules rules
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2018, 03:58:26 am »
Joe, i dropped a little aulone home the other day. The fare was €11.20 and she only had a tenner on her. I told her not to worry about the €1.20 but I found out that she had a daughter who works for the NTA who reported me for undercutting other drivers Joe.
Joe, I'm not obliged to accept the full fare that I'm entitled to.
Joe, under no circumstances are you allowed give somebody a discount.
Joe, i submit all my receipts to my accountant and The Revenue would be after me if they saw lots of discounts.
Joe, I sat down the other day and worked out that I give about five grand in discounts every year. I can't afford to be doing it either Joe.
Joe, I picked a woman up there the other day. I agreed to drop her home for €50. When we got there she told me she did'nt have to give me anything because she did'nt sign a wafer. Brand new BMWs and Audis in the driveway and all Joe.
Joe, i picked up a traveller fella the other day. I agreed to drop him home for twenty euro but insisted he had to sign a wafer. I did'nt know the fella was illiterate and i'm after getting a letter from Pavee Point's legal department saying i tried to shame him or something Joe.

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Re: When are rules rules
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2018, 04:28:11 am »
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Re: When are rules rules
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2018, 04:34:53 am »
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« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2018, 06:31:08 am »
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Re: When are rules rules
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2018, 06:43:24 am »

 So here is a question does anybody know the answer .If you decide not to charge the metered fare you are supposeed to get the passenger to sign a waiver ,By not charging the PUC you were not charging the metered fare so were we breaking the law ?By not charging the Full metered fare by offering free Waiting Time are we breaking the Law ?OR did the regulator Ok this practice by using this rule {(i) the operation of booking services for small public service vehicles and fees for such,}Read a article last week where taxi drivers got done by the regulator for undercharging on local jobs .Whats the story do the rules apply are have they been changed .How can some drivers be charged for undercharging while others done it for years and still do it and get away scott free .

The rules are pretty simple John M;
"Unless otherwise agreed with the customer in advance and in writing, must not charge more than the national maximum taxi fare."
https://www.nationaltransport.ie/public-transport-services/taxi/taxi/

"As a taxi driver, you have the right to charge the amount calculated on the taximeter, but you may charge less if you wish. You should record any discount in writing on the receipt. You may not charge more than the national maximum taxi fare, as calculated on the taximeter (plus any permitted extras that apply)."
https://www.nationaltransport.ie/taxi-and-bus-licensing/taxi/operating-an-spsv/taxi-fares/discounts/

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Re: When are rules rules
« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2018, 01:00:27 pm »
The fare including the PUC is the maximum fare.
According to the Taxi regulator we don’t have to charge the full metered fare.

As long as the passenger agrees and signs a waiver/document agreeing to to such discount prior to commencement of the journey AFAIK, otherwise, technically all or any extras and fare should be run on the meter.

Bit like when a gaggle of kids jump in with their mother, I sometimes decide not to add the extra for every second child. Is that operating contrary to the the maximum fare without a written waiver?, if it is, I am committing an offence and liable to a fine for being a decent human being.

It’s a discount on a meter fare as in the OP says.
No need for the punter to sign a waiver on a meter discount ie The PUC

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Re: When are rules rules
« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2018, 01:02:41 pm »
Provided you run the meter you're alright, erm. If you don't run the meter you're supposed to have a waiver signed by both parties and witnessed by a notary public, I think. However, in practice drivers don't bother with the waiver. In rural areas, such as the beautiful seaside resort town of Balbriggan, fixed fares are the norm and, for the most part, the driver knows the client. The clever lads probably stick the meter on if they don't know the client - if he's local he'll ask what the fuck you're putting that on for and, if not, you might get the full metered fare outta him.
If it doesn't have a roof sign and door stickers it's not a taxi.

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Re: When are rules rules
« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2018, 02:43:07 pm »
Don’t think I ever heard of a taxi driver asking the punter to sign a waiver.
Back in me hackney days I was often asked by a Garda to produce my log book.
The ol jotter where you wrote down where you picked up a punter and where you dropped them, think I had to have the price on it also.

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Re: When are rules rules
« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2018, 05:21:32 pm »
Joe, i picked a fella up who started haggling with me. I agreed to drop him home for a tenner even though it would be about twenty on the meter. When we got there he suddenly whipped out a badge and said "NTA. You're under arrest." My wife had to bail me out this morning Joe.
Joe, theres a scam going around Dublin at the moment. When you're signing a wafer with a customer they'll say "Ah we'll use my piece of paper." You sign you're name to it but unknown to you, you've agreed to sign your plate over to them when you've died Joe.
Joe, a fella told me theres underground wafer trading operating on the black market.
Joe, I failed my license renewal because the back of my seats are like a graffiti wall after drunk people trying to sign their wafers.
Joe, you do often get people pretending to be Christy Brown so they don't have to sign their wafer.
Joe, I had Bono in the car a while ago. I was trying to explain he had to sign a wafer but he accused me of trying to hound him for his autograph or something. I was arrested and brought in for questioning the next day Joe.
Joe, the Nigerians are applying grease to their pens, making it very difficult for people to sign their wafers.
Joe, you have to be very careful out there. I know a driver years ago who lost the rag after telling his customer to sign his wafer when he was taking too long. Turns out your man in the back was Jeremy Beadle.

 


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