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Re: And it's a YES from me
« Reply #45 on: May 21, 2018, 07:36:07 pm »
Can someone give me their explanation of the time limit of 12 weeks, why not 4 weeks?


http://www.thejournal.ie/12-weeks-abortion-ireland-3988241-May2018/

One of three major milestones
Speaking about why the 12-week limit was chosen, the Institute of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists noted that 12 weeks is “one of three major milestones in pregnancy”.

In a statement, the Institute explained: “The period up to 12 weeks is termed early pregnancy. The other major milestones are viability – or the possibility of survival outside the womb – at approximately 23 to 24 weeks, and term at 37 to 42 weeks when foetal development has been completed.”

The Institute noted that 12 weeks is a milestone because most miscarriages occur during this period, adding that this is “in fact usually 10 weeks after conception since pregnancy is dated from the first day of the last menstrual period and conception usually occurs two weeks after this date”.

“Up to 50% of pregnancies miscarry in the first four weeks, typically before a woman is aware that she has conceived. Of the 50% that progress beyond four weeks, there is a significant further rate of miscarriage heavily influenced by the age of the woman.”

For example, a 30-year-old woman has approximately a 10% chance of miscarrying, whereas a 40-year-old woman has at least a 35% of miscarrying. This risk increases sharply each subsequent year, reaching 75% from the age of 45.
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Re: And it's a YES from me
« Reply #46 on: May 21, 2018, 07:48:23 pm »
Its the last little peice of our Irish culture left,and we are being asked to give it away.the liberals must be doing fukking cartwheels.with the introduction of gay marriage (and im slow to use the word marriage in that context) the schools being taken of the catholic church to facilitate the influx of foreigners,the taxi industry taken over by Africans,etc etc there is very little of our culture left

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Re: And it's a YES from me
« Reply #47 on: May 21, 2018, 07:54:53 pm »
Can someone give me their explanation of the time limit of 12 weeks, why not 4 weeks?


http://www.thejournal.ie/12-weeks-abortion-ireland-3988241-May2018/

One of three major milestones
Speaking about why the 12-week limit was chosen, the Institute of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists noted that 12 weeks is “one of three major milestones in pregnancy”.

In a statement, the Institute explained: “The period up to 12 weeks is termed early pregnancy. The other major milestones are viability – or the possibility of survival outside the womb – at approximately 23 to 24 weeks, and term at 37 to 42 weeks when foetal development has been completed.”

The Institute noted that 12 weeks is a milestone because most miscarriages occur during this period, adding that this is “in fact usually 10 weeks after conception since pregnancy is dated from the first day of the last menstrual period and conception usually occurs two weeks after this date”.

“Up to 50% of pregnancies miscarry in the first four weeks, typically before a woman is aware that she has conceived. Of the 50% that progress beyond four weeks, there is a significant further rate of miscarriage heavily influenced by the age of the woman.”

For example, a 30-year-old woman has approximately a 10% chance of miscarrying, whereas a 40-year-old woman has at least a 35% of miscarrying. This risk increases sharply each subsequent year, reaching 75% from the age of 45.
Also no scientific doubt that, at 12 weeks, there are still no significant neural connections to provide consciousness, or to feel pain?
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Re: And it's a YES from me
« Reply #48 on: May 21, 2018, 08:01:05 pm »
The last little piece of our Irish Culture left???????? What’s that?
The fact that women are forced to travel to a foreign country to get rid of an unwanted child?
The fact that women buy tablets on the internet to terminate an unwanted pregnancy taking a massive risk to their own lives.
The fact that women have no choice over what happens their own bodies.
DM, you belong back in the early 1900s sending unmarried women to the laundries and their children getting sold off

What about the craic agus the coel?? Is that part of the Irish Culture?

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Re: And it's a YES from me
« Reply #49 on: May 21, 2018, 09:46:41 pm »
This referendum is about changing the constitution to allow  “Provision may be made by law for the regulation of termination of pregnancies.” this is a wide open door for this government or future governments(the nature of which we  cannot know) to enact legislation to kill unborn babies (or as Vikkis put it)   "get rid of an unwanted child" this  could be used to allow in law for mothers to kill their babies should they be unwanted. It could  also allows future governments to make  abortions obligatory or mandatory  under whatever circumstances by whatever rationale they see fit. think overpopulation or eugenics or famine or war  or or ............ 
this  referendum is a Trojan horse.   
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Re: And it's a YES from me
« Reply #50 on: May 21, 2018, 10:26:04 pm »
I think you’re overthinking it TDH.
The referendum is to repeal the 8th a,endment which gives rights to all things human, no matter their size.

50% of all pregnancies end in a miscarriage in the first 4 weeks. A woman would only be knowing then that she is pregnant.

This isn’t going to end up with abortion on demand like most people think.
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Ike in the divorce referendum, every thought divorce would be willy nilly but the government said you had to be separated 4 years before you can get a divorce, I’m sure they will have a cooling off period if folk want an abortion

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Re: And it's a YES from me
« Reply #51 on: May 22, 2018, 12:20:44 am »
I think you’re overthinking it TDH.
The referendum is to repeal the 8th a,endment which gives rights to all things human, no matter their size.

50% of all pregnancies end in a miscarriage in the first 4 weeks. A woman would only be knowing then that she is pregnant.

This isn’t going to end up with abortion on demand like most people think.
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Ike in the divorce referendum, every thought divorce would be willy nilly but the government said you had to be separated 4 years before you can get a divorce, I’m sure they will have a cooling off period if folk want an abortion
Seriously ?

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Re: And it's a YES from me
« Reply #52 on: May 22, 2018, 08:26:56 am »
Having given the issue a Good Coat of Looking Over Here is what I came up with .A Man goes down the road with a weapon and kills another person he goes to jail for life but if we vote Yes then a woman can kill another person and thats OK .Im voting NO.

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Re: And it's a YES from me
« Reply #53 on: May 22, 2018, 08:29:56 am »
An embryo isn't a person, it's only a blob, it's only from a certain stage could it exist outside the womb.

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Re: And it's a YES from me
« Reply #54 on: May 22, 2018, 09:05:23 am »
And its from that blob (as you describe it)  that human life begins

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Re: And it's a YES from me
« Reply #55 on: May 22, 2018, 09:36:52 am »
I’m in two minds on this one, I absolutely agree that a woman with an unwanted pregnancy should be able to choose what to do at an early stage without my opinion mattering.. or that someone pregnant from rape/incest should not be forced to carry that pregnancy to term, and anyone who is diagnosed as carrying a fetus that has clear abnormalities obviously has tough decisions to make... In fact any woman who becomes pregnant should be able to choose how to deal with it without needing to scurry abroad or buy illegal pills on the internet.
That said, and this is self contradictory, and much to my shame,  I cannot bring myself to vote yes, I don’t know why, but I just can’t ..
That’s why I’m not voting on this one at all.

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Re: And it's a YES from me
« Reply #56 on: May 22, 2018, 09:40:32 am »
Serious question...where do all the unwanted babies go? And why would anyone in their right mind bring a kid into the world they didn't want. That's a shitty thing to do and unfair on the baby. The Catholic Taliban no longer runs the kip. You older lads had it relatively easy with yer cheap corpo gaffs and being able to run a home on one wage. Nowadays ya need two good earners to live comfortably and pay a mortgage. If ya want kids great stuff, but keeping them under yer roof until they get a Masters degree at 27 might not suit everyone.Lets face it there won't be the same reasonably well paid low skill jobs like taxi driving for the college drop outs of the future. I don't think any of us would make our fortunes from selling broken biscuits..


 
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Re: And it's a YES from me
« Reply #57 on: May 22, 2018, 09:44:28 am »
Hear hear MFH

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Re: And it's a YES from me
« Reply #58 on: May 22, 2018, 10:03:02 am »
The simplest solution of all is,if you dont want kids,then dont get fukking pregnant simple .use contraceptives

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Re: And it's a YES from me
« Reply #59 on: May 22, 2018, 10:06:44 am »
Contraceptives aren't 100% fool proof FFS DM, neither is any form of contraceptive.

Maybe you would like everyone to become a priest or a nun and be celebate and just wipe out humankind

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