Taxi driver has conviction for IRA membership quashed on appeal

[Taxi driver42]

Aaah, the good old days. Times were much simpler back then. How could a man like Connolly who was born the son of Irish immigrants in Scotland, joined the British army to earn a crust, returned to Ireland and emigrated to the US where he learned German and Italian to preach trade unionism to exploited immigrant workers have any conception of multi-cultured society? How could de Valera, born the son of a Basque immigrant in the US, think there may be a future beyond a Roman Catholic Church dominated republic?

Of course, if our heroes of 1916 had a quarter of the support in life as they acquired in death things may have been different. One possibility is that the Germans would have lent greater support which may have led to a Federal Europe dominated by German culture and policy. Hang on, I thought I said things could have been different!

I've fuck all against the immigratis
In fact I was one myself in 2 countries
But 1916 men couldn't have predicated the amount of African s here or Indians in England
It wasn't a issue
And devalera shaped Ireland with archbishop MC quad right up to their deaths they both life long friends
Look to the constitution it was written by Catholics for Catholics only changing recently

[Taxi driver42]

i don't entertain the memory of the "heroes" of 1916 in the slightest.
irish power mad arseholes wanting to take over from english power mad arseholes.
that's all it was.

Power mad hero's ? Or just sick of British guns pointed in their face day after day walking around Dublin?

[Octavia1]

I think if the good doctor forgive me but I think he means the cunts in power are all the same no matter who they from where they are..... Ehh
...I mean the other way round....
An the workin class get shited on no matter who's in charge

[Dr. Martin Gooter Bling]

i don't entertain the memory of the "heroes" of 1916 in the slightest.
irish power mad arseholes wanting to take over from english power mad arseholes.
that's all it was.

Power mad hero's ? Or just sick of British guns pointed in their face day after day walking around Dublin?

i'll stick with power mad arseholes.

[Rat Catcher]

I see the signatories to the Proclamation as heroes. Their bravery and courage is beyond question. I don’t think any of them believed that they would live to seize power. They marched into a battle that they couldn’t, by any stretch of the imagination, win… in the belief that the war would be won pursuant to the principles established. Of course, one can (and, in the interests of healthy debate, should) question the rationale to some extent. Pearse, for example, was an advocate of Home Rule so it seems fair to ask if they believed they could achieve anything that wasn’t already on the table. The eventual establishment of the Free State, limited to 26 counties, swearing allegiance to the Crown and relinquishing control of ports and borders arguably added no more than a little word play to home rule.

Connolly, in my mind, was a truly great man. Throughout his life he put his commitment to championing the rights of working men, including immigrant workers, before himself. The fact that the taxi rank at the train station named in his honour is predominately worked by immigrants often strikes me as a fitting tribute.

Mentioning de Velera always promotes healthy debate. He was a devout Catholic so there is no way in the world that he would honour any commitment to Government free of religious interference. He became a traitor in the eyes of many Irishmen the day he refused to accept democratic ratification of the Free State Treaty by his own Government. There are even some who believe he became a British spy to save himself from martyrdom. However, there are few who would disagree that self-promotion and self-preservation are what really made him tick, (lack of) principles passed on through generations of FF leaders.

[silverbullet]

Most of the so called freedom fighters would have just been
Common or garden criminals had they not been given an excuse to pick up a gun.
Now that the cause is over ( in exchange for debt), they have reverted to type.

[dalymount]

I tend to respect the men of 1981 even more then the men of 1916

[dalymount]

The cause is not over silver,we are still living in an occupied country

[Dr. Martin Gooter Bling]

if they did'nt have notions of power then why did'nt they just go on hunger strike and starve themselves to death to raise awareness to whatever the fuck they wanted, foregoing the hundreds of civilian deaths.
de valera, collins, brugha, macneill etc. all ended up installing themselves as presidents and ministers. i rest my case. "we're doing this for the Irish people" load of bollix. you're doing it to satisfy your own notions of grandeur and the civilians suffer and die for the pleasure.

[dalymount]

I was not in town yet,but are the bum boys all over the kip ?

[Rat Catcher]

The cause is not over silver,we are still living in an occupied country

The Good Friday agreement recognises that the majority of the population of the six counties is of Ulster Scots descent. One has to consider why we should want to inflict the incompetence of ROI Govt on people with whom we share little cultural commonality. Given that the vast majority support the peace process and respect each others civil liberties, it seems difficult to find any good reason to upset the equilibrium. Demographics may bring about a united Ireland at some time in the future but it won't happen without further bloodshed. Of course, Scottish independence (should that ever happen) would throw a spanner in the works.

[dalymount]

I stopped respecting sinn fein the day their leadership shook hands with the British queen

[Rat Catcher]

Had that not happened I'd say they woulda lost your support once they started running African immigrant candidates at local elections in the Republic Of Ireland.

Even if I had any respect for the shiners I couldn't support their taxi policy. They want to ban men from driving taxis in the Republic Of Ireland on foot of convictions handed down by the British courts, the same courts that convicted the Birmingham Six and the Guilford Four. Worse than that, they want to follow the vetting procedures of the Private Security Authority. I don't have to tell you that the security trade is the only trade that can boast more immigrant licensees than the taxi trade, largely due to it's blind acceptance of "declarations" from applicants with unverifiable criminal histories. The latter is clearly very heavily influenced by the party's African immigrant membership.

[silverbullet]

The cause is not over silver,we are still living in an occupied country

It is for Normal people Whackos like the 32  county  sovereignty committee still have an agenda, 99% of the population don't agree, preferring to concentrate on Mortgages and education instead.

[Taxi driver42]

 Some

I see the signatories to the Proclamation as heroes. Their bravery and courage is beyond question. I don’t think any of them believed that they would live to seize power. They marched into a battle that they couldn’t, by any stretch of the imagination, win… in the belief that the war would be won pursuant to the principles established. Of course, one can (and, in the interests of healthy debate, should) question the rationale to some extent. Pearse, for example, was an advocate of Home Rule so it seems fair to ask if they believed they could achieve anything that wasn’t already on the table. The eventual establishment of the Free State, limited to 26 counties, swearing allegiance to the Crown and relinquishing control of ports and borders arguably added no more than a little word play to home rule.

Connolly, in my mind, was a truly great man. Throughout his life he put his commitment to championing the rights of working men, including immigrant workers, before himself. The fact that the taxi rank at the train station named in his honour is predominately worked by immigrants often strikes me as a fitting tribute.

Mentioning de Velera always promotes healthy debate. He was a devout Catholic so there is no way in the world that he would honour any commitment to Government free of religious interference. He became a traitor in the eyes of many Irishmen the day he refused to accept democratic ratification of the Free State Treaty by his own Government. There are even some who believe he became a British spy to save himself from martyrdom. However, there are few who would disagree that self-promotion and self-preservation are what really made him tick, (lack of) principles passed on through generations of FF leaders.

Some Believe that Gerry Adams was a  informer put in at an early stage to turn the conflict around Martin McGuinness was also turned somewhere along the line

Devalera never  a British agent he wasn't executed because he was a American citizen and Britain didn't want to upset USA during ww1

SF today is useless  and shaped by British agent s