Talk To Joe

[Shallowhal]

https://youtu.be/C9oiO6RVKrU

[Charmschooldropout]

Joe, I had a lovely fella in the car a few years ago. "I do feel sorry for you fellas out working all the time. I don't have to work", he said to me. "How much money do ye have in your pocket right now." I had about three hundred euro Joe. "See that", he said, "I can make triple that in only an hour down the bookies", he said. He had the nicest house in Darndale so you can't tell me there is'nt people out there making money from gambling Joe.

Joe, myself and three of my mates used to go playing poker on a Monday night in the casinos. We're all ex professionals and one night we were refused entry. We were told we could'nt win anymore money off them because apparently there was reports that four Dublin taxi drivers had cleaned out a few casinos in the Cayman Islands Joe.

Joe, I know a driver that used to make a steady income off the casinos. They could'nt bar him I don't think so they tried to stop him going in to places by firing all the attractive women dealers and only hiring men. All the casino customers went round to picket his mother's house to make him stop going in to places. I don't even think the mother knew he had a gambling problem Joe.

Joe, the staff at my local bookies are terrific. I often ask them to let me know when I've lost a few hundred and they always do. They'll even say "Sorry love, we can't take anymore of your money tonight" if I'm too drunk Joe.

Joe, I often pick up this black taxi driver fella at various casinos around town and I do ask him how he did. "Ah", he does say, "I only won two grand tonight", Joe.

Joe, I picked a fella up one night and he was telling me he won fifteen hundred euro in the bookies. The fare was only a fiver and I told him by right he should give me at least twenty. I got reported and lost my license and now I'm forced to gamble in the bookies myself to make a few quid.

Joe, I know a fella that won twenty five grand in the bookies but he'd hardly nothing left after paying tax and commission.

Joe, I know a fella that won two hundred grand in a casino. They could'nt pay him so they gave him a share in the business and he ran it in to the ground on purpose.

Joe, I picked up this American fella outside a casino one night. I told him he was wasting his money and he laughed. "Do ye know who I am", he said. "I'm such and such, the greatest poker player in the world." I got my daughter to Google him and it was him Joe.

Joe, I picked up a very clever business man going to the airport a few years ago. "Do ye gamble", he said. I told him I did'nt because I thought it was a waste of money. "Ye do gamble", he said. "When you go out working ye can get two fares or twenty fares. That's gambling. I'm Sheikh Mohammed something", he said. "I'm a member of the Saudi royal family and we own thousands of casinos all over the world." When he was getting out he leaned forward and stuffed something in my trouser pocket. When I was changing my trousers a couple of weeks later I found out that it was four hundred euro Joe.

Joe, my primary income comes from wagering money on horses. I'm a gambler with a taxi driving problem Joe.

Joe, I know a driver that got a twenty grand loan from the credit union to buy a new car and he ended up losing it all in the bookies. He had the car he had sprayed a different colour and told the wife it was a new car.

Joe, I picked a fella up a few years ago and he asked me to put a fiver bet on in a bookies for him because he was barred himself. When I came back out my car was gone Joe.

V Funny. All of them.You gotta know what you're getting into when you make a bet-Going toe to toe with Lucifer.No point talking to bleedin Joe when he rips the shirt of your back. Joe doesn't give  a mebollix. Nobody does really. And none of those bozos were calling Joe when their shaggin Accys came up and they walked out of Paddy Powers thinking they were the Cincinnati Kid. Don't get me wrong. I like the odd bet and I have sympathy for addicts. Just don't have much time for the Talk to Joe response. Poxy RTE make megabucks out of betting sponsorship. Talking to Joe is just more publicity for the scumbags

[Charmschooldropout]

https://youtu.be/C9oiO6RVKrU

V Funny too-says it all. Joe is a wildly overpaid misery Ho.

[john m]

Since Jack swapped the Cow for Magic beans man has thought he can get something for nothing .Bookies is simply a maths game .You want to get good odds on a Dublin V Cork game  You want to backDublin then go to Cork as the local bookie will of laid the local team .If the book is balanced where the bookie collects no matter the result he will probably not lay you or quote you rotten .Bit like Tuesday night in the taxi lad wants town to Balbriggan for 40 you take it but not on Saturday simple supply and demand and balancing the book .Then you have people like Rodent who plays the stsyem they are  just not wanted just like taxi drivers dont want Junkies .We close our doors the bookies close your account .

[markmiwurdz]

They didn't get back to me, just an automated reply. Joe doesn't listen anyway, he just loves the sound of his own voice. He started the programme on Tuesday by asking if there was any precedent for a gambling firm refunding money lost by an addict - actually, there is... it came up on his very show, possibly about 12 years ago... a caller told him that his son had done a small fortune on a credit card and after some discussion with the firms he lost the money to and the bank that facilitated the line of credit some money was given back by the gambling firms and some was written off by the bank. I remember thinking at the time that they only done that to avoid the enforceability of gambling debts accruing on credit cards being tested in court.

Anywaysanall, I think Joe was more interested in the depressing tales of addicts with an uplifting ending from a recovered (or recovering) addict to finish off. He seemed happy to promote the organisations that help tackle the problems such as Gamblers Anonymous but less willing to get to the cause of the problem. Sure, Paddypower and Boylesports employ lot's of people but their business model is aimed solely at preying on addicts hence I used the word parasites and I stand by that description!

The real Joe   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9oiO6RVKrU

[Dr. Martin Gooter Bling]

Joe, a fella told me gambling has always been illegal in this country but the government collect too much tax from it or something Joe.

Joe, I had a fella in the car that won a million euro in the lotto but he decided to not collect his winnings as a protest against all the poor people that have debts as a result of gambling.

Joe, every casino in Dublin has a picture of me in their back room on the wall. All they had to do was open the Driver Check app. I would advise drivers to cover up their roof numbers if they're going to a casino after they finish their shift Joe.

Joe, I had a terrible gambling problem for years. After therapy I only play the slot machines or buy scratch cards every now and then Joe.

Joe, myself Paul O'Brien and my mates David Walsh, Peter Doyle, Gregory Clarke and Kevin O'Leary all attend Gambler's Anonymous every week Joe.

Joe, the buzz you got from winning a bet was fantastic. It was like finding a dickie diver on the floor of your taxi the morning after.

Joe, did'nt James Joyce or someone say you could'nt walk through the city without passing a Paddy Power on every corner.

Joe, I know a driver that would bet on two pidgeons running down the street. He blew up like a balloon due to all the stress I think Joe. Towards the end he was near thirty stone and he could'nt fit through the door of any of the bookies Joe.

Joe, I had a poor fella in a tracksuit with the hood up in an awful state in the car one day. "I've had a terrible life", he said. "I was born with an addictive personality. First the gargle, then the drugs and now the gambling", he said to me Joe. I gave him a tenner to go in the bookies. Your heart would go out to the poor fella listening to him Joe.

Joe, I encouraged my kids to start gambling as soon as possible so they get to know their limits and not be taken advantage of in the bookies Joe.

Joe, the gambling business is a 24/7 industry that's in your face all the time. It's not like the taxi industry for example Joe.

Joe, gambling is actually a disease. You're never fully cured of it Joe.

Joe, I had a fella in the car one night going back years ago. He seemed very angry over something and the fare was thirty euro. We pulled up outside a casino and he said "Your money is in there", and jumped out of the car. I went in to the casino and they did'nt know what I was talking about Joe.

Joe, there used to be a lovely fella off our rank who got involved in the gambling. He ended up owing fifty grand to a local drug dealer I think. A gang of us stood up for him and told the drug dealer fella he'd get his money when your man had it. But he started coming after all of us as well Joe.

Joe, I had a Chinee fella in the car years ago who worked in a casino in town. "Waitin' I tell ye something", he said. "I thought we had a problem with the auld gambling 'till we saw yous Irish", he said. "When there's more Irish than Chinese going in to a casino you know your country is riddled", he said. And that was twenty years ago Joe.

Joe, years ago my niece worked for this fella who went to Atlantic City in America and gambled the company payroll. I went round his fabulous house and gave him a hiding and she got her money in the end Joe.

Joe, I had a woman in the car a while back and she was telling me her husband had a terrible gambling problem. I know all the outreach groups and I arranged an intervention for him. We went round to where he lived the next day but we could'nt find the house and we did'nt even know his first or second name. We knocked on a few doors and asked the people did they know where the fella with the gambling problem lives. After he got word he would'nt let us in the house even though we tried to force entry. A lot of these addicts don't want help. It was terrible sad Joe.

[Rat Catcher]

I like the odd bet myself, CSD. In fact I had a nice little win over at the darts last November and clicked the biggest place pot I've ever heard of in Bellewstown last year - dividend was €414, €828 for my €2 winning line. However, I only do throwaway bets these days so it's nice when they win and inconsequential when they lose.

Of course bookmaking is a numbers game 'erm. The bookmaker builds his margin into the book hence, mathematically, he can't lose. However, they aren't happy to rely on their bookmaking skills any more. They want to squeeze every last cent by ensuring they only deal with hopeless addicts who are going to give every penny back when they get a winner. My point is that they should be able to rely on their bookmaking skills and lay their advertised prices regardless of who the intending punter is.

The UK has made some progress insofar as they are regulated in the UK for UK clients. Ireland has not made any progress and never will simply because our Govt is comprised of halfwitted morons who might have been good with a hurley stick once upon a time. To adapt the old story, Paddy Power would only have to ask the relevant minister if he would like a small glass of whiskey and a large stack of used notes or a properly regulated industry.

The bookies use technology to identify the addicts they want to fleece. Technology should be used in properly regulating the industry. They should be obliged to lay any advertised price to lose a predetermined figure on any account, simples! After that, "numbers products" (takes in lottery bets, casino styled games and virtual horse racing) should be banned. If that can't be done they have no place in society and should be completely outlawed.

[Belker]

I like the odd bet myself, CSD. In fact I had a nice little win over at the darts last November and clicked the biggest place pot I've ever heard of in Bellewstown last year - dividend was €414, €828 for my €2 winning line........

After taking some advice from an un-named Southern acquaintance of mine !

[Belker]

Of course bookmaking is a numbers game 'erm. The bookmaker builds his margin into the book hence, mathematically, he can't lose. However, they aren't happy to rely on their bookmaking skills any more. They want to squeeze every last cent by ensuring they only deal with hopeless addicts who are going to give every penny back when they get a winner. My point is that they should be able to rely on their bookmaking skills and lay their advertised prices regardless of who the intending punter is.

Like every Taxi driver should be obliged to take every customer ?

[Belker]

.....He (Joe) started the programme on Tuesday by asking if there was any precedent for a gambling firm refunding money lost by an addict - actually, there is... it came up on his very show, possibly about 12 years ago... a caller told him that his son had done a small fortune on a credit card and after some discussion with the firms he lost the money to and the bank that facilitated the line of credit some money was given back by the gambling firms and some was written off by the bank. I remember thinking at the time that they only done that to avoid the enforceability of gambling debts accruing on credit cards being tested in court.

In the USA they have a law called 'Gamblers Regret' where a losing gambler can retrieve his lost money through the courts, but that is only in exceptional circumstances and I don't know the full extent of it.  But I reckon it is possibly similar to our own 'Charge-back' system here where any Irish gambler can charge back any and all transactions on his bank account to his bookie, regardless if they are winners or losers or have been paid out in cash or not, any gambling transaction will get an immediate Charge-back from any bank with little or no question, the only stipulation is that the Charge-back must be done within 3 months, after 3 months everything is final.

[Belker]

As an ex-bookie myself and after dealing with Charge-backs from a semi-incompetent gambler who made a decent once-off killing from the system, there is a flaw in the system.

If a proper Pro were to take it on gambling on a daily basis in Tons on Fav's and cashing in daily whenever he was ahead in cash or card and then just before his 3 month limit Charge back all his transactions then he would make a nice few quid, there could be no loss as every card transaction would be refunded as a Gamblers Regret Charge back.

The case I had a few years back with the semi-incompetent gambler who attempted all the Charge backs was that he got them all that were within the 3 month timescale, I went to the Gardai, no interest, gambling debt. I went to the bank, no interest, gambling debt. I went to the Garda Fraud squad who did indeed inquire and made a phone call to the man before they told me, no interest, gambling debt.

[Rat Catcher]

Interesting.

[Belker]

As an ex-bookie myself and after dealing with Charge-backs from a semi-incompetent gambler who made a decent once-off killing from the system, there is a flaw in the system.

The case I had a few years back with the semi-incompetent gambler who attempted all the Charge backs was that he got them all that were within the 3 month timescale, I went to the Gardai, no interest, gambling debt. I went to the bank, no interest, gambling debt. I went to the Garda Fraud squad who did indeed inquire and made a phone call to the man before they told me, no interest, gambling debt.

The remaining details of that case that I had with the semi-incompetent punter in circa 2007 were that he used to punt away daily quite often using his credit card but then one day there was a dispute over a bet (which he had done by CC) and he point blank refused to accept the ruling as was laid out in our rule book, he got very cross over it to the point he rang his bank looking to stop the payment on his credit card fer that one bet. The bank then educated him on the Charge back system and the kount after learning how to do charge backs attempted to do a charge back on every transaction that he had ever done with us, the bank complied as they were all to a bookie, the only stipulation being that it must be within 3 months, and he did get his charge backs fer every transaction (regardless of winning or losing) fer a 3 month period. I fought it Tooth'n 'Nail fer months but got no satisfaction at all, the punter got all his charge backs and the only very poor consolation prize that I got was to get him Black-listed from every bookie office in the country on CC bets.

[Belker]

.....He (Joe) started the programme on Tuesday by asking if there was any precedent for a gambling firm refunding money lost by an addict - actually, there is...

Actually there is not, have a look at the Terry Ramsden case, the man lost millions to Ladbroke in the Eighties and most of it stolen or misrepresented from his stock broke firm, in 1988 he was "Warned Off" by the Jockey club fer failure to keep up his gambling debt repayments to Ladbroke, even though the Jockey club had severely Frowned upon Ladbroke fer taking all of Terry's bets without question of where all the money was coming from.

Here is Terry's story; https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2004/apr/03/horseracing.comment3

[Rat Catcher]

There is. The fact that there is also a contrary precedent doesn't alter that.