Aspinall has that look...........you see it in the eyes. Don't know anything about his traveller roots nor care. Cross comes across as reasonable enough man, I suppose, so I was being a little hard on him. However, Chisnall, Bunting, Durrant, Norris, Anderson(aside from the tats) and possibly all the Belgians and Dutch don't have that hardened look. I'd say the roughest of them is Suljovic......but he knows the game and he kow-tows to the ruling classes....being from a former Communist Bloc country helps. It's a sad day if one can't open one's mouth about Dart players..........this touchy-feely crap that Guerney goes on with can't take the game over entirely...........abject effeminisation of men has to be stopped....it has already destroyed soccer.