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Title: MG5 top gear review
Post by: John m on March 18, 2024, 09:27:23 pm
https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/mg-motor-uk/5-ev (https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/mg-motor-uk/5-ev)
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: silverbullet on March 19, 2024, 03:03:19 pm
https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/mg-motor-uk/5-ev (https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/mg-motor-uk/5-ev)
Nice.
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: John m on March 20, 2024, 12:40:57 pm
Picked up me motor this morning .A lot of car for 15K .
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: Jack Meoff on March 20, 2024, 12:54:31 pm
Did you get the SEAI grant also ?
What’s the selling price of it
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: watty on March 20, 2024, 12:55:54 pm
Congrats  ::clap. You'll have a big grin on your face for the next week as you accelerate the shit out of it!
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: Octavia1 on March 20, 2024, 01:05:03 pm
Picked up me motor this morning .A lot of car for 15K .

Well done John.....its a "no brainer"....as they say down the flats,  beside the church , near the bookies  :D
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: mercenary for hire on March 20, 2024, 01:27:25 pm
Best of luck with it John.
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: John m on March 20, 2024, 01:49:05 pm
Just got a quote 1300 for a charger fitted .It seems you need all sorts of certs to access the reduced rates for Electricity .So might not bother getting our kid to fit it .
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: mercenary for hire on March 20, 2024, 02:39:41 pm
All you need is a smart meter AFAIK.
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: John m on March 20, 2024, 02:59:42 pm
down to 699 after grant for charger .
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: watty on March 20, 2024, 03:23:33 pm
All you need is a smart meter AFAIK.

Every house in the country is getting one eventually but the ESBN smart meter is a bit of a con for EV owners.  There are none (or very few) rates on the smart meters that cater for people charging the EV (or using their washing machine) during the night.  Stick to the day/night meter for the moment if you can.

And, oopsie, they've been overcharging some people:  Thousands warned over ‘malfunctioning’ smart meters leading to overcharging – ESB admits ‘connectivity issue’ (https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/thousands-warned-over-malfunctioning-smart-meters-leading-to-overcharging-esb-admits-connectivity-issue/a872442693.html#:~:text=Thousands%20of%20homeowners%20who%20have,to%20them%20receiving%20bumper%20bills.)

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Thousands of homeowners who have smart electricity meters have been warned the devices may be malfunctioning, leading to them being overcharged.  A string of householders have been in contact with the Irish Independent claiming that faults with their smart meters have led to them receiving bumper bills.  They have been sent estimated bills despite the fact smart meters are supposed to automatically send real-time information on their electricity usage to ESB Networks.  Smart meters use a mobile phone signal to relay information on electricity use.  Now ESB Networks, which is responsible for the installation of the new meters, has admitted up to 80,000 meters may suffer from “intermittent connectivity” issues due to weak mobile signals.  But it strongly denied a batch of faulty meters had been installed in homes.

We really are a 3rd world country when it comes to planning the 'big stuff.'
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: Shallow Hal on March 20, 2024, 04:37:54 pm
Every house in the country is getting one eventually but the ESBN smart meter is a bit of a con for EV owners.  There are none (or very few) rates on the smart meters that cater for people charging the EV (or using their washing machine) during the night.  Stick to the day/night meter for the moment if you can.


Very true....I stuck with the 24hr rate....I record all my weekly usage from home charging and convert it into a € cost which I'll claim against my tax liability as I would have done with my petrol costs...no point having cheap night rate when you're paying(in most cases) a higher daytime rate especially between 5pm and 7pm(really expensive) which is when most activity happens...certainly in our house....cooking/showers etc.
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: John m on March 20, 2024, 04:50:05 pm
Thanks Hal .Went for a BG Sync EV (Un-tethered I dont have solar pannels or special rate so no Zappi needed .Cost me 699 screwed to the front wall .Local lad works for the crowd
Andrew@fokearn.com

They seem to be reliable and certified .
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: John m on March 20, 2024, 04:51:27 pm
Bullit be on giving out about him Ken in SKAN in Cabra a gent and does quality work neat and tidy .
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: John m on March 20, 2024, 04:54:24 pm
Did you get the SEAI grant also ?
What’s the selling price of it
15200 to drive away .I didnt apply yet for the SEAI didnt know if I was going to get our kid to fit it or a company
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: mercenary for hire on March 20, 2024, 05:05:07 pm
Most of my charging is between 2am and 4am on the electric Ireland night boost thingy(Currently about 10 cent per kWh) now and whatever else it needs on the night tariff (about 18c per kWh).My battery is rarely lower than 70% after a shift so it doesn't need a whole lot to get back to 100%.Maybe 20~22Kwh

My gaff pays a little bit extra during the day but we really don't use that much anyway so it's still far cheaper overall to take the cheap rate for the car in my situation.I reckon it's costing no more than €3 euro per shift.

All the lights in the gaff are LEDs and the kitchen uses a bit but it's really not that much.

If your paying 30c per kilowatt it's not much cheaper than running a Prius IMO.If I had your money lads I'd burn me own.
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: watty on March 20, 2024, 05:07:42 pm
@JohnM - if you've already installed a smart charger, I think technically you can't apply for the SEAI grant.  I think you apply for the grant first and then get it installed.

To get the SEAI grant, the electrician has to be registered on the Safe Electric (https://safeelectric.ie) website.  Plus a lot of 'local' sparks don't want the hassle of the SEAI paperwork. 

And of course, the Safe Electric electricians know you're €600 of a grant in your back pocket so the price goes up.  Fecking gangsters  >:D
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: John m on March 20, 2024, 05:29:59 pm
@JohnM - if you've already installed a smart charger, I think technically you can't apply for the SEAI grant.  I think you apply for the grant first and then get it installed.

To get the SEAI grant, the electrician has to be registered on the Safe Electric (https://safeelectric.ie) website.  Plus a lot of 'local' sparks don't want the hassle of the SEAI paperwork. 

And of course, the Safe Electric electricians know you're €600 of a grant in your back pocket so the price goes up.  Fecking gangsters  >:D

Crowd doing the job will fill in the forms .
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: watty on March 20, 2024, 06:00:59 pm
Looks like the grant is only €300 now   :'(

People laugh when I say they're all gangsters...  They write the rules to benefit themselves  >:D

https://www.seai.ie/grants/electric-vehicle-grants/electric-vehicle-home-charger-grant/ (https://www.seai.ie/grants/electric-vehicle-grants/electric-vehicle-home-charger-grant/)
- Do not commence any work before the start date on your Letter of Offer otherwise this expenditure will be deemed ineligible and you will not receive grant support for it.
- The work can only be performed by a fully qualified electrician who is registered accordingly with Safe Electric Ireland.
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: silverbullet on March 20, 2024, 06:57:17 pm
Bullit be on giving out about him Ken in SKAN in Cabra a gent and does quality work neat and tidy .
Did Ken in Skan do the meter change over, or did you get a new fangled mirror meter?

I would have gone the same road as yourself with the EV charger, but I still have to get the house upgrade.

I'm waiting on clearance from the CU. 

The CU seem to only consider covering the €20,000 bridging loan AFTER you purchase the car. Sheesh!

Happy motoring with the new car.
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: C5 on March 20, 2024, 07:55:13 pm
Charge your external combustion engine as far away from your house as possible. Your house insurance might rise now too.
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: John m on March 20, 2024, 11:57:42 pm
Bullit be on giving out about him Ken in SKAN in Cabra a gent and does quality work neat and tidy .
Did Ken in Skan do the meter change over, or did you get a new fangled mirror meter?

I would have gone the same road as yourself with the EV charger, but I still have to get the house upgrade.

I'm waiting on clearance from the CU. 

The CU seem to only consider covering the €20,000 bridging loan AFTER you purchase the car. Sheesh!

Happy motoring with the new car.

Changeover it was a newish mirror meter .Silver you dont need to rewire a whole house .If you can get motoring for 15K use on street like Watty car comes with a three pin plug in slooooooow charger you can plug in beside the telly get you enough poke to get to on street charger .The Grim Reaper is not to far behind us so can you really justify putting big coin into a car or rewiring and justify it .If you are over this side of town drop in and you can take my thing for a spin .We will get Rapppppppppid chargers in a few years and both our cars and home chargers will be obsolete like a Nokia .Dont waste real money on imaginary technology .Think of it this way even if on street costs a bit more than home charging you are still in a new car for 15K and still probably cheaper to run than the hybrid.
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: Belker on March 21, 2024, 12:35:08 am
Thanks Hal .Went for a BG Sync EV (Un-tethered I dont have solar pannels or special rate so no Zappi needed ......
Why did you go Untethered ?
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: John m on March 21, 2024, 12:43:24 am
Thanks Hal .Went for a BG Sync EV (Un-tethered I dont have solar pannels or special rate so no Zappi needed ......
Why did you go Untethered ?

Car came with a  lead so dont need one .they look for about a ton and a half more if it comes with a lead ..Like I said to Bullit the tech will move rapidly new battries and special chargers you will be able to full charge in minutes .VCR recorders .Compact Discs mobile phones .Two year old is out of date .I think home chargers will be obsolete in two years .They will have super chargers Most people on earth do not have drive ins at home live in appartments so to serve them is the aim not lads with off street parking .Imagine you and your hen both with Evs needing to charge from home its a nightmare so on street or forecourt rapit charge is the future .
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: Belker on March 21, 2024, 12:59:15 am
I think your making a mistake by not installing the proper tethered home charger fer the sake of 699.
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: John m on March 21, 2024, 01:16:55 am
I think your making a mistake by not installing the proper tethered home charger fer the sake of 699.

I think you might be mixed up Ken Tethered means it comes with a charging lead permently attached .I have a removeable lead that you use to power up from your home charger or on street charger it comes with the car .
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: C5 on March 21, 2024, 01:56:33 pm
@john m, EV lithium batteries cannot take rapid charging all the time because of the heat generated pushing that much power into a small box basically. The battery's life will be cut in half and your advised not to plug an EV to a rapid charger after a long drive to plug it in after 30 mins when it has cooled down enough to lower the risk of overheating and fire.
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: mercenary for hire on March 21, 2024, 02:41:47 pm
The technology has improved a fair bit C5.

All the new batteries are liquid cooled.In fact the Lithium batteries in the Chinese cars take a lot of abuse.Watty on here mostly uses faster chargers and so far has had minimal degradation AFAIK.I'm not saying they're gonna last 500000km but they should last as long as you need to keep the taxi.The cooling systems kick in while you're fast charging to keep the temperatures down.

For 15k after grants it only needs to last 5 years.I doubt John will even have 150000km on his by that stage.

Dublin is full of electric taxis.So far we haven't had the mass failures or fires that were predicted.

Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: watty on March 21, 2024, 03:48:17 pm
Yeah, the battery management system keeps an eye on things.  And I/the software 'balances the battery' every month so all the chemicals are put back in the right place (hard core tech explanation!). 

As MfH says, I fast charge all the time and am losing about 1% battery a year.  In practical terms, that means that after 5 years, my MG5 will go ~300km instead of the original ~350km.  Since I almost never do more than 150km per shift, I should be alright.
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: C5 on March 21, 2024, 11:26:26 pm
It's early days to make a call on there quality. I'll be watching, yer the Guinea pigs for me. I know of 3 people who have thrown in the towel on them. The 3 of them didn't pass 250,000 kms, that's not good.
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: MK on March 22, 2024, 12:35:28 am
Bullit be on giving out about him Ken in SKAN in Cabra a gent and does quality work neat and tidy .
Did Ken in Skan do the meter change over, or did you get a new fangled mirror meter?

I would have gone the same road as yourself with the EV charger, but I still have to get the house upgrade.

I'm waiting on clearance from the CU. 

The CU seem to only consider covering the €20,000 bridging loan AFTER you purchase the car. Sheesh!

Happy motoring with the new car.

Changeover it was a newish mirror meter .Silver you dont need to rewire a whole house .If you can get motoring for 15K use on street like Watty car comes with a three pin plug in slooooooow charger you can plug in beside the telly get you enough poke to get to on street charger .The Grim Reaper is not to far behind us so can you really justify putting big coin into a car or rewiring and justify it .If you are over this side of town drop in and you can take my thing for a spin .We will get Rapppppppppid chargers in a few years and both our cars and home chargers will be obsolete like a Nokia .Dont waste real money on imaginary technology .Think of it this way even if on street costs a bit more than home charging you are still in a new car for 15K and still probably cheaper to run than the hybrid.
John, are you saying its still a good idea to go electric if you live in an apartment.  To fast charge in the streets? Most motoring commentators don’t recommend that


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Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: John m on March 22, 2024, 09:22:03 am
Apart from Working Class families in Britain and Ireland how many other car owners have their own parking space .China are the biggest users of EVs and most of them live in appartments .Unlikely they are designed not to take fast charge .Remember the Oil business have a vested interest is starting rumours .
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: watty on March 22, 2024, 04:08:27 pm
SEAI - Apartment Charging Grant (https://www.seai.ie/grants/electric-vehicle-grants/apartment-charging-grant/)

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The apartment charger grant assists residents and owners of apartments and other multi-unit developments who want to install a home charger for their Electric Vehicle (EV) and which are not covered by the pre-existing grants. The grant is designed for bulk installation of chargers at a single location, and supports cabling, infrastructure, labour, and construction costs. Owners’ management companies, housing bodies, local authorities, commercial and private landlords can apply. 

There have been teething problems though.  Don't know if this was an SEAI grant but a comrade lives in an council flat in Finglas and they installed communal EV chargers in his complex.  Problem is everybody took a cut along the way and the quoted price for charging is the same as the external chargers in petrol stations etc.  He's adamant he's not gonna pay more than his house/flat electricity rate and there's a stand-off.
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: John m on March 22, 2024, 04:22:46 pm
Car passed out this morning Now I did not drive it for two days Because .MD motors had covered the 20K grant up front on my behalf I only handed over 15K and Bits instead of 35 .Now what would happen if I pranged the car before it was passed out as a taxi I would not qualify for the Grant .I have taxi insurance for 35K but would the insurance pay out as it would be a private car until it is passed out .?
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: silverbullet on March 22, 2024, 05:03:00 pm
Car passed out this morning Now I did not drive it for two days Because .MD motors had covered the 20K grant up front on my behalf I only handed over 15K and Bits instead of 35 .Now what would happen if I pranged the car before it was passed out as a taxi I would not qualify for the Grant .I have taxi insurance for 35K but would the insurance pay out as it would be a private car until it is passed out .?
Congratulations on your new car. Just don't sweat the small stuff.

Have the NTA released the grant to your account yet?
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: silverbullet on March 22, 2024, 05:05:29 pm
Car passed out this morning Now I did not drive it for two days Because .MD motors had covered the 20K grant up front on my behalf I only handed over 15K and Bits instead of 35 .Now what would happen if I pranged the car before it was passed out as a taxi I would not qualify for the Grant .I have taxi insurance for 35K but would the insurance pay out as it would be a private car until it is passed out .?
Congratulations on your new car. Just don't sweat the small stuff.

Have the NTA released the grant to your account yet?
Regarding my loan. The MFCU computer said no. I'm now asking MFI.

I rang M.D Motors and the guy said the stock of iD4s is gone. The New stock is €3,500 higher@ €47,000!!
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: MK on March 22, 2024, 10:02:22 pm
Car passed out this morning Now I did not drive it for two days Because .MD motors had covered the 20K grant up front on my behalf I only handed over 15K and Bits instead of 35 .Now what would happen if I pranged the car before it was passed out as a taxi I would not qualify for the Grant .I have taxi insurance for 35K but would the insurance pay out as it would be a private car until it is passed out .?
Its great if MD motor covers the 20k on your behalf untill you get paid.


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Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: John m on March 23, 2024, 11:31:34 am
Silver I read your replies and Is EV really for You .You have 2 years left on your present car that has a value lets say 3K per annum .Save a Pocket equal to what you would of had to pay in repayments you could have the guts of 15 to 20K saved in two years .Then buy a Hybrid .You need to consider your age ,Do you want to be on the hook for big bucks .If you think you should spend 20K to rewire a house just to charge a car that is a very expensive car .
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: silverbullet on March 23, 2024, 01:57:58 pm
Silver I read your replies and Is EV really for You .You have 2 years left on your present car that has a value lets say 3K per annum .Save a Pocket equal to what you would of had to pay in repayments you could have the guts of 15 to 20K saved in two years .Then buy a Hybrid .You need to consider your age ,Do you want to be on the hook for big bucks .If you think you should spend 20K to rewire a house just to charge a car that is a very expensive car .
Amen to that.
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: watty on March 23, 2024, 03:56:14 pm
+1 to what JohnM said.  Tesla (price drops) and the Chinese have shaken up the European market and prices can only get lower and lower.

I think the battery tech is pretty mature and sorted but it's the software inside the car that needs catching up.  So the longer you can wait, the better the EV you'll get.  Of course, that 20k might not be there in 2 years and that's the conundrum!   But you might not need it as there should be second-hand 5yr-old EV's (taxi and non-taxi's) for sale.
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: silverbullet on March 23, 2024, 06:13:59 pm
+1 to what JohnM said.  Tesla (price drops) and the Chinese have shaken up the European market and prices can only get lower and lower.

I think the battery tech is pretty mature and sorted but it's the software inside the car that needs catching up.  So the longer you can wait, the better the EV you'll get.  Of course, that 20k might not be there in 2 years and that's the conundrum!   But you might not need it as there should be second-hand 5yr-old EV's (taxi and non-taxi's) for sale.
Two things.

1. The credit union gave me a 6K loan over two years, that will be paid back in less than one year.
2. Yet they won't give me €25K  over 7 years, or less than €100 a week?

Purpose of Loan
GREEN CAR LOAN

Amount
€25,000

5.9%
€25000

Period of time
7



Monthly

MONTHLY REPAYMENT
€362.23
Support our Green Initiative and hit the road with a Green Car Loan for hybrid & electric vehicles.

Loan Details
APR

5.9%
Total Cost of Credit

€5,426.90
Total to Repay

€30,426.90

Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: silverbullet on March 23, 2024, 06:22:37 pm
+1 to what JohnM said.  Tesla (price drops) and the Chinese have shaken up the European market and prices can only get lower and lower.

I think the battery tech is pretty mature and sorted but it's the software inside the car that needs catching up.  So the longer you can wait, the better the EV you'll get.  Of course, that 20k might not be there in 2 years and that's the conundrum!   But you might not need it as there should be second-hand 5yr-old EV's (taxi and non-taxi's) for sale.
Two things.

1. The credit union gave me a 6K loan over two years, that will be paid back in less than one year.
2. Yet they won't give me €25K  over 7 years, or less than €100 a week?

Purpose of Loan
GREEN CAR LOAN

Amount
€25,000

5.9%
€25000

Period of time
7



Monthly

MONTHLY REPAYMENT
€362.23
Support our Green Initiative and hit the road with a Green Car Loan for hybrid & electric vehicles.

Loan Details
APR

5.9%
Total Cost of Credit

€5,426.90
Total to Repay

€30,426.90

I'll add that when I apply for anything from the state (i.e. G P visit card) I am asked what my wife earns.

But when applying for a loan I'm on my own!
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: John m on March 23, 2024, 06:30:50 pm
Bullit they check your credit score .If you have a Mortgage or other payments they consider that and your age .Over 60 nobody wants to loan you unsecured funds .Considering your Electricity Supply issues EVs are not for you .Not worth the investment .
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: watty on March 23, 2024, 06:32:50 pm

2. Yet they won't give me €25K  over 7 years, or less than €100 a week?


I could be wrong but I think JohnM mentioned before that some CU's are reluctant to give car loans to taxi drivers because we have a constitutional right to work (or something) and the CU's can't repossess our working vehicles?
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: John m on March 23, 2024, 06:53:38 pm

2. Yet they won't give me €25K  over 7 years, or less than €100 a week?


I could be wrong but I think JohnM mentioned before that some CU's are reluctant to give car loans to taxi drivers because we have a constitutional right to work (or something) and the CU's can't repossess our working vehicles?

They cannot take the tools of your trade .When taxi drivers buy cars we buy cars we then turn them into taxis .The Issue I would think with Bullit is he still has a mortgage and is borrowing more than the value of the Car .It makes no sence to change over your electricity supply to run a Car .Like Watty on street charging is still economic .If you want EV go the MG5 for 15 K .You can drop over and have a spin in mine .Good strong car for the money .
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: mercenary for hire on March 23, 2024, 06:57:45 pm
I would have thought seven years is a very long time for a car loan.Especially an EV.I wonder if you applied for a shorter time period would they be more likely to lend.

I think SB might be paying his mortgage on a variable rate too which they might stress test by adding another two to three percent to it fecking things up for him.

The mad thing is I've had Indian lads in the car telling me they got a security job just so they could get PCP on a new car to then turn it into a taxi.I don't even know if that's allowed by the finance companies but it's happening.
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: silverbullet on March 23, 2024, 07:07:18 pm

2. Yet they won't give me €25K  over 7 years, or less than €100 a week?


I could be wrong but I think JohnM mentioned before that some CU's are reluctant to give car loans to taxi drivers because we have a constitutional right to work (or something) and the CU's can't repossess our working vehicles?

They cannot take the tools of your trade .When taxi drivers buy cars we buy cars we then turn them into taxis .The Issue I would think with Bullit is he still has a mortgage and is borrowing more than the value of the Car .It makes no sence to change over your electricity supply to run a Car .Like Watty on street charging is still economic .If you want EV go the MG5 for 15 K .You can drop over and have a spin in mine .Good strong car for the money .
I will probably take you up on that.

As far as the car is concerned, I think I could ask Mrs. Bullet to borrow the 15K and just close the CU account.
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: John m on March 23, 2024, 07:08:45 pm
For an Ev Virgin .What do I need to do to Recharge on Street .From plugging in then What Do you need to set something on board or on the Charger ?Or is it automatic?
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: silverbullet on March 23, 2024, 07:11:04 pm
I would have thought seven years is a very long time for a car loan.Especially an EV.I wonder if you applied for a shorter time period would they be more likely to lend.

I think SB might be paying his mortgage on a variable rate too which they might stress test by adding another two to three percent to it fecking things up for him.

The mad thing is I've had Indian lads in the car telling me they got a security job just so they could get PCP on a new car to then turn it into a taxi.I don't even know if that's allowed by the finance companies but it's happening.
I see it's OK with the Brits:
https://www.thetaxicentre.com/taxi-finance-explained/#:~:text=Taxi%20personal%20contract%20purchase%2C%20or,agreement%2C%20there%20are%20several%20options. (https://www.thetaxicentre.com/taxi-finance-explained/#:~:text=Taxi%20personal%20contract%20purchase%2C%20or,agreement%2C%20there%20are%20several%20options.)

p.s I'm on a tracker mortgage.
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: mercenary for hire on March 23, 2024, 07:22:34 pm
VW have their own bank AFAIK.Take a chance by applying through the dealer finance direct.You might be surprised as they do need to shift vehicles.
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: silverbullet on March 23, 2024, 07:42:53 pm
VW have their own bank AFAIK.Take a chance by applying through the dealer finance direct.You might be surprised as they do need to shift vehicles.
I'd still need the whole amount though. The grant comes after purchase. I was quoted at 1300 per month the last time for 49,906, and that was over three years!
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: John m on March 23, 2024, 07:53:23 pm
VW have their own bank AFAIK.Take a chance by applying through the dealer finance direct.You might be surprised as they do need to shift vehicles.
I'd still need the whole amount though. The grant comes after purchase. I was quoted at 1300 per month the last time for 49,906, and that was over three years!

If you want an Ev go cheap and cheerfull .We know what German tech is like .Its called Free Now APP .thats the German standard .You are paying for past german car quality .,Did you ask Karl to apply for credit for you ?Talk nice he will cover the Grant .
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: Shallow Hal on March 23, 2024, 07:59:12 pm
For an Ev Virgin .What do I need to do to Recharge on Street .From plugging in then What Do you need to set something on board or on the Charger ?Or is it automatic?

Set up an Applegreen Electric(AG) just input your card details and download the App from the Play Store or Apple and you're ready to go...when you go to an AG charger,open the app and tap on the charger you're goin to use and just Swipe to start charging....and Swipe to stop...you can also just tap your card on the machine but with the app you'll have records of where,when and how much kwh used and the cost,they also email you immediately,

Also download the EasyGo app,they manage the ESB and Ionity chargers,you can set up an account with them also but you have to lodge funds to that account,they send you a fob that you can tap at the charger,

I find Applegreen to be the better and easy to use...68c per KWH but they're all in or around that cost.
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: watty on March 23, 2024, 08:00:15 pm
For an Ev Virgin .What do I need to do to Recharge on Street .From plugging in then What Do you need to set something on board or on the Charger ?Or is it automatic?

I tried to write something but I made it over-complicated.  The 3 biggies are Ecars, Applegreen and EasyGo and each has it's own app.  Go with Ecars first as they're the biggest.

Download the app and set the filter to only show you CCS chargers.  Then go to a CircleK some afternoon.  Grab a coffee and wait until a taxi pulls in and pick his brains.  You'll never have to wait long at CircleK Finglas or Templeville Road.
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: silverbullet on March 23, 2024, 08:37:42 pm
VW have their own bank AFAIK.Take a chance by applying through the dealer finance direct.You might be surprised as they do need to shift vehicles.
I'd still need the whole amount though. The grant comes after purchase. I was quoted at 1300 per month the last time for 49,906, and that was over three years!

If you want an Ev go cheap and cheerfull .We know what German tech is like .Its called Free Now APP .thats the German standard .You are paying for past german car quality .,Did you ask Karl to apply for credit for you ?Talk nice he will cover the Grant .
I spoke with Niall. He said he would apply to various banks, but the cost of the €23,500 car is now €27,000 because the new VW they're getting in is 286 BHP FFS!!
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: Shallow Hal on March 23, 2024, 09:54:41 pm
286 BHP.....just to wear the tyres out quicker!!
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: silverbullet on March 24, 2024, 12:06:42 am
286 BHP.....just to wear the tyres out quicker!!
The other model they were selling was a mere 174 BHP.

There's a few for sale at €42,500. Why he wants 47K is unusual.
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: John m on March 24, 2024, 07:25:11 am
Silver can I ask is this a ego trip you are drifting into ?Not being insulting .But passengers dont give a fuck what you drive as long as you get them home .For 15and pocket change you could be up and running use the plug in charger at home in emergencies .Even using on street like Watty you would still save on fuel and be driving a new EV .You could plug in your laptop and rant while you wait for it to charge .Effectivle doing a reverse Working from home and working from your new all Electric mobile office .You seem to want to spend real money in a letting on World .
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: Belker on March 24, 2024, 07:54:36 am
I think your making a mistake by not installing the proper tethered home charger fer the sake of 699.

I think you might be mixed up Ken Tethered means it comes with a charging lead permently attached .I have a removeable lead that you use to power up from your home charger or on street charger it comes with the car .
OK, I get you now. You have a home charger but went fer untethered instead of tetherd.

That's ok too, just as a mate pointed out it could be a pain in the ass doing the slightly longer untethered job constantly, especially in the rain.
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: Shallow Hal on March 24, 2024, 10:27:48 am
I think your making a mistake by not installing the proper tethered home charger fer the sake of 699.

I think you might be mixed up Ken Tethered means it comes with a charging lead permently attached .I have a removeable lead that you use to power up from your home charger or on street charger it comes with the car .
OK, I get you now. You have a home charger but went fer untethered instead of tetherd.

That's ok too, just as a mate pointed out it could be a pain in the ass doing the slightly longer untethered job constantly, especially in the rain.

That's true Ken,I've never used the cable that came with the car...only the granny charger that I used at my bro in laws house in Tipperary....I've come out at 5.30am,pissin rain..I only need to disconnect and click it back in the holder,the thought of rolling up a wet..and dirty cable and placing it back in it's bag is too much hassle...I do keep a pair of gloves in the hall for those occasions though.
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: John m on March 24, 2024, 10:44:52 am
Imagine working in the rain?  rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: Shallow Hal on March 24, 2024, 10:55:15 am
Us peasants have to John!!
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 24, 2024, 01:00:55 pm
They cannot take the tools of your trade .When taxi drivers buy cars we buy cars we then turn them into taxis .The Issue I would think with Bullit is he still has a mortgage and is borrowing more than the value of the Car .It makes no sence to change over your electricity supply to run a Car .Like Watty on street charging is still economic .If you want EV go the MG5 for 15 K .You can drop over and have a spin in mine .Good strong car for the money .

I was talking with an apprentice electrician recently who suggested folk needing house rewires should consider simply getting a 32amp (CEE type?) socket installed in their garden. You can buy a "portable" 7KW charger that simply plugs in to any such socket. I hadn't heard of such a device but he said they're less than a ton and a half from the wholesalers or on ebay / something called Temu? Anywaysanall, I had a quick google and found one (as below) for stg£170. He reckons the house rewire (while most likely advisable regardless) only arises in practical terms to satisfy SEAI grants. Apparently, SEAI inspect a relatively large sample of installations so everything has to be "A1".

https://www.amazon.co.uk/SURFOU-Commando-Charging-Portable-Electric-Silver/dp/B0CLVKNBKY (https://www.amazon.co.uk/SURFOU-Commando-Charging-Portable-Electric-Silver/dp/B0CLVKNBKY)
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: silverbullet on March 24, 2024, 03:45:21 pm
I think your making a mistake by not installing the proper tethered home charger fer the sake of 699.

I think you might be mixed up Ken Tethered means it comes with a charging lead permently attached .I have a removeable lead that you use to power up from your home charger or on street charger it comes with the car .
OK, I get you now. You have a home charger but went fer untethered instead of tetherd.

That's ok too, just as a mate pointed out it could be a pain in the ass doing the slightly longer untethered job constantly, especially in the rain.

That's true Ken,I've never used the cable that came with the car...only the granny charger that I used at my bro in laws house in Tipperary....I've come out at 5.30am,pissin rain..I only need to disconnect and click it back in the holder,the thought of rolling up a wet..and dirty cable and placing it back in it's bag is too much hassle...I do keep a pair of gloves in the hall for those occasions though.
Right beside your shooting stick and your monocle! 8)
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: John m on March 24, 2024, 05:12:42 pm
They cannot take the tools of your trade .When taxi drivers buy cars we buy cars we then turn them into taxis .The Issue I would think with Bullit is he still has a mortgage and is borrowing more than the value of the Car .It makes no sence to change over your electricity supply to run a Car .Like Watty on street charging is still economic .If you want EV go the MG5 for 15 K .You can drop over and have a spin in mine .Good strong car for the money .

I was talking with an apprentice electrician recently who suggested folk needing house rewires should consider simply getting a 32amp (CEE type?) socket installed in their garden. You can buy a "portable" 7KW charger that simply plugs in to any such socket. I hadn't heard of such a device but he said they're less than a ton and a half from the wholesalers or on ebay / something called Temu? Anywaysanall, I had a quick google and found one (as below) for stg£170. He reckons the house rewire (while most likely advisable regardless) only arises in practical terms to satisfy SEAI grants. Apparently, SEAI inspect a relatively large sample of installations so everything has to be "A1".

https://www.amazon.co.uk/SURFOU-Commando-Charging-Portable-Electric-Silver/dp/B0CLVKNBKY (https://www.amazon.co.uk/SURFOU-Commando-Charging-Portable-Electric-Silver/dp/B0CLVKNBKY)


Just spoke to Dave said that is a good system .Not as fast as some but will do the job .
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: watty on March 24, 2024, 06:31:54 pm

I was talking with an apprentice electrician recently who suggested folk needing house rewires should consider simply getting a 32amp (CEE type?) socket installed in their garden. You can buy a "portable" 7KW charger that simply plugs in to any such socket. I hadn't heard of such a device but he said they're less than a ton and a half from the wholesalers or on ebay / something called Temu? Anywaysanall, I had a quick google and found one (as below) for stg£170. He reckons the house rewire (while most likely advisable regardless) only arises in practical terms to satisfy SEAI grants. Apparently, SEAI inspect a relatively large sample of installations so everything has to be "A1".

https://www.amazon.co.uk/SURFOU-Commando-Charging-Portable-Electric-Silver/dp/B0CLVKNBKY (https://www.amazon.co.uk/SURFOU-Commando-Charging-Portable-Electric-Silver/dp/B0CLVKNBKY)

I'm not doubting you but I see two problems:
1.  It's the 'thin' 10sq.m. meter tails that are the problem that need to be upgraded to 16sq.m.  They're not designed to take that much power for hours and hours and, in theory, could melt and cause a house fire.

2.  The electrician signs the ESBN form that he's inspected the meter tails AND the rest of the house.  SEAI is separate form.  If, for some reason, ESBN find out the house is not up to scratch, he's in professional trouble because he signed the form that the house was up to modern spec.  (Other genders than he can sign the form obviously)
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: John m on March 24, 2024, 06:35:34 pm
So Watty in what way is the wiring not up to scratch .By getting it condemned what happens if it goes on fire because of your christmas lights ?.You can get the tails upgraded if that solves the problem .Might be worth asking ?
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: watty on March 24, 2024, 06:44:26 pm
My house is perfectly fine for TV, computer, washing machine etc etc.  All the usual normal stuff.  The problem is the extra prolonged juice needed to power the EV.

I found it very difficult to get sparks but my two problems are:
(a) the meter tails - so my house might go on fire if I use an EV meter.  They keep changing the rules so this may or may not be true depending on the year.

(b) shit like the kitchen sink and hot water press are not bonded (or something).   I think it means the kitchen sink might electrocute me someday.  It hasn't in the past 50+ years so I think I'm pretty safe.  The mafia disagree and they point the finger at the ESBN (classic sales technique to pass off the blame to the boss).  The Earth Rod may or may not be present.

I have the EV now almost 3 years.  I've gotten used to my situation & I'm not bothered to chase it up anymore.  I have other things to worry about these days.
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: watty on March 24, 2024, 06:49:57 pm
@ JohnM:  I got your pm about the amazon gadget above.   Looks good.

There are similar 13A cables (so slower) available with almost all that protection built-in for less than stg£50.  E.g, https://toughleads.co.uk/collections/heavy-duty-13a-extension-leads/products/13a-extension-lead?variant=47684212879
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: John m on March 24, 2024, 06:57:33 pm
@ JohnM:  I got your pm about the amazon gadget above.   Looks good.

There are similar 13A cables (so slower) available with almost all that protection built-in for less than stg£50.  E.g, https://toughleads.co.uk/collections/heavy-duty-13a-extension-leads/products/13a-extension-lead?variant=47684212879

I got one free with the car .
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: watty on March 24, 2024, 07:08:11 pm
The car one is probably not long enough to reach a 3 pin socket inside your house.  You can use an extension cable but official advice is not to use them.  They come with their own problems - one of which is the temp sensor in the granny cable won't work properly so it could overheat.
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: John m on March 24, 2024, 08:13:24 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ft-aMNRDXD8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ft-aMNRDXD8)
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: John m on March 26, 2024, 10:22:28 am
Small snag with the new motor .The rainwater runs into the car when you open the windows .Probably needs wind deflectors to keep the rain out of the cabin ? Full set about 90 yoyo .
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: John m on April 22, 2024, 04:52:22 pm
MG do not supply wind deflectors they dont make them .You can get them on Alli Express or Amazon DONT they are shite .Got some today they are going back .You fit them with double sided tape FFS the wind would blow them off .or a carwash .
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: Belker on April 22, 2024, 05:12:46 pm
MG do not supply wind deflectors they dont make them .You can get them on Alli Express or Amazon DONT they are shite .Got some today they are going back .You fit them with double sided tape FFS the wind would blow them off .or a carwash .
As what you have seems to be your only option I will offer some DIY advice on how to fit them if you wish.
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: Belker on April 22, 2024, 05:24:09 pm
As your choices are limited to return the product and do without or do a proper DIY job I would suggest the following.

Double sided tape comes in many forms but generally speaking the more expensive the tape the better quality it is, Woodies do 2 brands and the more expensive one is well worth the extra money.

After the double sided tape job is done get some Bondic to seal it from the outside, it is not a glue but a weld and needs UV light to seal the weld, Bondic is about 3 times stronger than the best super glue. Easy enough to use.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Adhesive-Liquid-Plastic-Welder-Seconds/dp/B08RRTKYK1/ref=asc_df_B08RRTKYK1/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=570437819890&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=5526592788852308982&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1007850&hvtargid=pla-1224476228570&psc=1&mcid=d4e8a2e5925f353a89f811d10ccb7b8d (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Adhesive-Liquid-Plastic-Welder-Seconds/dp/B08RRTKYK1/ref=asc_df_B08RRTKYK1/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=570437819890&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=5526592788852308982&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1007850&hvtargid=pla-1224476228570&psc=1&mcid=d4e8a2e5925f353a89f811d10ccb7b8d)
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: watty on April 22, 2024, 05:44:25 pm
MG do not supply wind deflectors they dont make them .You can get them on Alli Express or Amazon DONT they are shite .Got some today they are going back .You fit them with double sided tape FFS the wind would blow them off .or a carwash .

Was watching Wheeler Dealers one time and their mechanic was an ex-Formula One mechanic.  He was fixing some car with a rear spoiler and was using double-sided tape.  He said F1 use double-sided tape as well in their race cars and the tape does actually work.  YMMV obviously.
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: John m on April 22, 2024, 10:15:23 pm
they are poor quality Watty for the money a car wash or hand wash and they would peel off .For nearly a ton I would expect better .
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: C5 on April 22, 2024, 11:23:53 pm
The best wind deflectors in the world are from climair a German manufacturer, they are pricey but will not fall off, I think they pass the German tuc for insurance because if a wind deflector comes off and hits someone insurance will not pay out, because it's classed  as a modification. they are made to measure for every car, not sure about the MG5 as its new to the market. The one you get of eBay our Mick's garage etc are crap. Climair only sell through their website. Also check the vids on YouTube about them.
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: silverbullet on April 22, 2024, 11:31:24 pm
https://www.vikingtapes.co.uk/collections/double-sided-tapes-for-aerospace-industry (https://www.vikingtapes.co.uk/collections/double-sided-tapes-for-aerospace-industry)
Title: Re: MG5 top gear review
Post by: Belker on April 23, 2024, 11:31:48 am
https://www.woodies.ie/unibond-no-more-nails-roll-ultra-strong-interior-exterior-19mm-x-1-5m-325186 (https://www.woodies.ie/unibond-no-more-nails-roll-ultra-strong-interior-exterior-19mm-x-1-5m-325186)